Joe McElderry might think that stating he’s never heard the Rage Against The Machine song that is currently whipping his ass in the charts might make him seem cool, but it’s probably only going to encourage fans to buy more copies of the single to ensure he doesn’t make the Christmas number one.
According to an article on The Sun Online, the Geordie manufactured popstar said that he’d be gutted if he didn’t get the Christmas number one and admitted he hadn’t even heard Rage Against The Machine’s song!
I mean come on mate, play the game, if you’re going to go up in a chart battle you could at least give the band some respect? I bet even my mum has heard the RATM track… and to start acting like you don’t know who they are is just adding fuel to the fire.
Okay, so I bet he’s a really lovely boy and when he appears on The Chris Moyles Show tomorrow he will appeal for people to help him get to number one and so on, but Joe, you have years to get to number one (providing you don’t end up in Butlins) so why not work hard and then feel the benefits rather than just expecting everything at once?
The fact that Joe said he would be gutted if he missed out on the number one spot just goes to show how highly these X Factor kids view themselves… is there no rehearsing in your parent’s garages any more? Sending your tapes off to record labels or handing our free CD’s after gigs? This is no longer about beating the X Factor reign, but about showing that you can’t enter a singing contest and expect to be number one overnight… well, if you want respect that is.
What do YOU think? Does Joe deserve to be number one because he sung a song once a week? Or should it be rage Against The Machine, who have waited for this moment since 1992?
I know which one I’m buying.
Ruth.x
“manufactured popstar” – I think you just said it all with those two words. If you truly love music buy RATM this week.
The song’s been around since 1992 how has he not heard it! Already bought RATM from itunes (99p) and amazon (29p) Anyone who hates this manufactured crap and would like to make Simon Cowells xmas miserable buy Killing in the Name of and make it xmas number one! Rage deserve it for all their hard work and song writing. Joe McElderry is nothing but a puppet being used to line Simon Cowells pockets with cash. Even if you like Joe’s song BUY THE MILEY CIRUS VERSION!!
Guys if you look at http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/Official%20UK%20Singles%20Chart%20Rules%20August%202009.pdf it says in order for a purchase to become elligible for the chart it MUST be at least 40p! Amazon is charging 29p
Amazon purchases do count. Amazon is prepared to make a loss to get people on their site so it’s
paying for the difference.
Yep – you’re wrong, read this from Amazon UK on the subject!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/tag/mp3/forum/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&tag=deal85-21&cdMsgNo=24&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3U7MN4WDHUQUA&cdMsgID=Mx1V43X5O8FDTWD#Mx1V43X5O8FDTWD
While I fully support the RATM campaign, I think it’s a bit presumptuous to take a Sun article that
doesn’t contain a single quote from Joe McElderry as gospel. No direct quotes usually means
(especially from a newspaper like the Sun) that the statement is either fabricated or an assumption
made by the journalist based on throwaway, irrelevant quotes. Wait for the kid to actually come out
and say something before you start attacking him for things he probably hasn’t even mentioned.
I couldn’t have siad it better myself. My main problem with x-factor et-al it the contrived, manufactured, manipulative manner in which the show guides the public over 6-8 months to ‘love’ some loser who hadn’t had the gumption to get off his arse and do it the old fashioned way.
Could you picture, Rod Stewart, Elton John, Elvis, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Nirvana, U2 etc and dare I say it even Julio Iglaisias foregoing the hours of work required to be at the top of their game; if they had they would not be the icons they are toda.
What an arrogant piece this ‘story’ is – well I live in the real world and Ive just done a quick straw poll in our office. Only 3 out of 21 people had heard the song you are childishly criticising Joe for saying what he did. Are you a real journalist or a manufactured one?
Have you ever heard the phrase “it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”? Stating your own ignorance of credible music and aligning it with this story (true or not, it’s irrelevent) doesn’t add credibility to your opinion and the opinion of your work colleges, it simply reinforces the whole point of this campaign in the first place. The song and band for this campaign were chosen because of thier social/political ethos and lyrical content, both of which, if you had ever heard, you would agree were suited incredibly well to the point we are trying to make. Our whole society is now obsessed with meaningless “celebrity” and seems to be waging some type of war against individuality and choice (I.D. cards, 90 day detention without trial, millions of CCTV cameras and the illegal DNA database for a few examples).
The X-Factor is a faily insignificant fly in this ointment but the symbolism attached to it by people such as yourself means that it is the only way to grab your attention. How else are you to become aware of the activities of Governments (Two illegal wars and counting! MP’s expenses etc.) and multinational corporations (bit of a banking crisis is there?).
Do another straw poll amongst your workmates and see how many of them have read 1984 or Animal Farm, own a piece of classical music, read a book in the last month (Jordans next autobiography doesn’t count!) or visited a museum or art gallery this year? You will probably find the only people who answer yes to any of these questions will be the same ones who have heard of Rage Against The Machine. To quote the great band themselves…”Ignorance has taken over, we gotta take the power back!”.
Amazing! xx
Just an afterthought for Mike T and his colleges, my name mean anything to you? No, thought not…….
Hit the nail on the head Rob, I think Mike T must work at Topshop alongside 15year old girls.
Yeah! Let’s rage against the machine! Let’s rage against the machine by buying a record produced by Simon Cowell’s record label! Let’s stick it to the man!
I think your missing the point Lisa, RATM are actually signed to Epic, although a subsiduary of Sony, the recipient of the money is not the point of principle. Simon Cowell’s future revenue will not be decided by over 1 million people buying this single, the actual amount will probably be derisory. What isn’t mentioned by yourself is the vast revenue stream generated by the insidious 6 month free advertisement on prime time television he is alowed to front for his products, the money from the ‘phone lines (let’s not forget all the voting scandals there have been) etc. Because of the rise of corporate driven mass apeal “entertainment” all the small independant labels, of which RATM where originall signed (possibly Island Records but happy to be corrected) have practically vanished, all of them small fish gobbled up by large faceless labels only interested in the latest get rich quick trends. Your simple minded view that this campaign would be based on denying Simon Cowell or Sony a few quid seems to prove our standpoint, we the silent MAJORITY have remained silent too long. One last point, the album the song is taken from is from 1992, do you think in 17 years or so anyone will even remeber who these people who appeared on X-Factor were? Anymore than they still listen to Jive Bunny or Stock Aitkin & Waterman songs?
By the way Lisa, when you Google’d RATM to see who they happen to be signed to at the moment, you should have Goggle’d Simon Cowell’s antholoy to see just how much crap this single individual is responsible for, not just all the X-Factor and BGT songs (It’s Chico Time!) but practically every disgarceful “novelty”song of the last 10 years – Zig & Zag’s Dem Girls for example. This man knows NOTHING about music. His only talent is for guessing which sob story quoting, flash in the pan charisma free zone (Leona) is best suited for parting simpletons from their hard earned sheckels. He makes the little baby Jesus cry!
I’m so sorry but dont all kill me when i say this but i hadnt heard the song ‘Killing in the Name’ (then again i was only 2 when it was initially released) before. Though im indifferent to the campaign (yet a part of me wants to see the song that ive now listened to, become number.1) i dont think its really fair to say that the uneducated such as those who havent read philosophy etc wouldnt know the song or therefore wouldnt like it or appreciate it…i mean to be honest, its not really my genre but heck i like the idea of the campaign and will supoort it for that reason:).
P.S I love Leona though, and theres no doubting shes the only true talent to emerge from the show so can we please leave her out of it. I mean she does great songs whether they be her own ones shes covered regardless of her apparent lack of charisma in front of the cameras.
Hurting Cowell in the pocket is not the point…Even if RAtM do get the number one then Cowell will still sell 500k plus of his crappy single. The point is people who are fed up with mediocrity standing up and being heard. All that people will remember in a few years time is how many consecutive No. 1′s Cowell is able to get. His money will get spent but the statistic will always be on record. Lets break the chain and send a message. Hopefully it will be enough to breakthe spell he seems to have on a sbstantial part of the British public.
AMEN!
the fact that you said art gallery separate to the museum made me happy
Your pretentious comment amazes me. RATM is simply noise. No singing required, just a little screaming. For your info and to counter your silly points, I am an English Literature graduate and have read more books than I care to name. I love classical music and take an active interest in politics. I’m Muslim so politics is pretty interesting to me. I hate Jordon and most other celebrities and enjoy watching the x factor. I like Joe’s voice. Got a problem with that?
@Sarai
the RATM vocals may be an acquired taste, but some of the guitar work is amongst the best. Loving ‘classical’ music does not mean much, just because it is a few hundred years old does not make it good!
Though this is what caught my eye “I’m Muslim so politics is pretty interesting to me” … what does that even mean?
Please tell me they were familiar with other RATM songs though! Or is it an office full of losers?
Well said!! xx
Not everybody works in offices filled with people who love listening to shitty 40-year old radical leftist activist bands because it makes them feel cool.
I second your comment
I agree this is total shite! I’ve never heard of them and Joe has worked hard and is worthy of the number 1! this is just slit ur wrist shit..
Joe is amazing we dont need anymore goth/emo/whatever the fucking shite is in the charts!! They’ve been around since 1992 and know 1 knows them so they should just f*ck off!! God if sum1s been in the music buisness for that long i’d expect them to be well know like Take That who have been around that long especially coz they’re signed to simon cowells recoed company too!!! Just u listen on sunday night ul hear that they havent made the top mark then ul be showed up u ungrateful tits downloading this bollocks!! ur trying to get back at Simon but it’s a young lads dream ur messing with!! If they’ve been around since 1992 n not had a no 1 ther not worth tlking about let alone listening to!! so stop ur stupid campaign on facebook and GROWUP!!! >:(
What is it with you and your need to pidgeon hole people? Emo, Goth? What are YOU? I couldn’t possibly give myself an all encompassing title that defines all aspects of my personality and tatses in one word other than “individual”. I think the adage that best describes people like you is SHEEP. What the hell does it matter when the music was released if it is good? If you applied this rationale to all music then no more Beatles or Bach, Stone Roses or Schubert, Michael Jackson or Mozart, but then to a Hello reading, X Factor watching, phone line voting Joe Schmuck these names are meaningless anyway. You want to try dicovering good music for your self and applying some free will rather than the endless cover versions offered up like a thin cultural gruel when a feast of creativity is within your reach. As for messing with Joe’s “Dream”, at what point had this tool set out to fulfill it? Was he busking in the streets before entering the competition? Did he tour tough pubs and clubs building a solid fan base that would enable him to still be making music 17 years later (like RATM)? Beleive me, the only dreams 18 year old boys have are wet! I bet he also had a “journey” at some point during the show. When did winning the X-Factor come with a contract guarantee of No.1?
p.s. Try using spell check and some rudimentary form of grammar when you write and it will give your opinion more credence than that of my 10 year old daughters.
Also, I have never helped fulfill any of these plonkers “dreams” as I dont watch or vote in the X-Factor. It is fickle fools like YOU who instantly adore them and predictably dump them when the next series comes round.It’s YOU who build up and smash these “dreams” when your short attention spans are diverted by the next one off the Cowell production line. Still playing your Alex Park or Leon Jackson albums are you?
“Dicovering?” “Beleive?” – I’m not going to get caught up in this argument, but if you’re going to have a pop at someone’s spelling, get your own into check first Mr. Smarty Pants.
I will say one thing though, I have been a fan of RATM for the last ten years or so, and absolutely love the track in question – but why slate the young lad so much – why call him a “tool?” What has he done so bad that he deserves such abuse? As Amy said previously, it’s his dream, the lad wants to be a popstar, along with probably 70% of kids his age. He’s getting a shot at it, why try and take that away from him when he’s done absolutely nothing wrong, apart from wanting to be a singer? The lad is extremely talented, so why all the slandering?
Anyhoo, I would like to see Joe getting to number 1, not because I prefer the song or him as an artist, it just seems like so many people are ganging up to “bully” him off the top spot. Also, to finish, if I were Zack de la Rocha (or any of his bandmates), I wouldn’t boast that I got a number one, just because people don’t like Simon Cowell.
PS – Simon Cowell doesnt know anything about music? pppppfffftttttttt…….
If you’re talking about you’re daughter’s grammatical capabilities then use an apostrophe to signify it is her’s rather than pluralizing daughter to make it seem as if there is more than one.
Amy, I’m assuming you’re approximately 13 years old based on this:
“Joe is amazing we dont need anymore goth/emo/whatever the fucking shite is in the charts!! They’ve been around since 1992 and know 1 knows them so they should just f*ck off!!”
I was born in 1985, so I would have been 7 when the single was released, yet I and any other self respecting music fan my age who has ever heard of a genre called ‘rock’ would be able to point to rage against the machine as a fairly defining musical act from the 90s.
I for one will be buying RATM as i’m simply bored out of my head with covers. Unlike you us adults have actually BOTHERED listening to more music than whats in the top40 right now, x-factor hits like Hallelujah were better when done by their original songwriters, NOT their x-factor kareoke counter-parts. To me thats the real “f*cking shite in the charts” that should “just f*ck off!!” because it’s utterly devoid of talent or originality.
Amy
You don’t half talk shite do you?
Rage Against The Machine have had more hit’s than Leona Lewis in a Book Shop !
Why do you people think your superior to everyone else, just because you have read a George Orwell book
doesn’t mean your better than people who haven’t. If the majority of people enjoy watching x-factor and
listening to Joe then fine, i personally don’t like it but i’m not going to push that on others because i’m not
a snob who thinks i know better than everyone else, just as i’m not going to push my political views on other. give it a rest
Cam, if you are going to pass comment on other people’s grammar, then it would be prudent to put a capital letter after a full stop.
I think that Joe deserves to get the christmas number 1 he is a brilliant singer and I have to be honest I have never heard of RATM it was from the early nighties the majority of the younger generation wouldnt remember it. I heard both the songs and I have to say that you cant possibly want that to go to number 1 for christmas its terrible. If that does get to number 1 then it will be because people are too spiteful wanting to make Simon Cowell pay well news flash its the public that decide if they want to buy the single or not it always has been so Grow Up!. For this to go to number 1 will just prove how sad people actually are because theres no way it will get to number 1 with people just buying one copy because everyone who buys it would have to buy multiple copies and yes they might be ahead in the download charts but the single gets released into stores tomorrow which means the older generation will buy the cd. Sorry but I just dont think a little riot group against the xfactor can beat probaby millions of xfactor fans. Just remember that it was around 20 million people watched the xfactor. Not to metion but the deal that Simon Cowell has with Sony which is the music label that the RATM song is under which means that Simon Cowell still wins. If you wanted to make a statement you would try to make sure that he got as little as possible not more than he normally does and whats more you would pick a song that the majority of people would like. Its only common sense because although I am a Joe fan I do miss the christmas songs. As for manufacturered postar your just jealous there is nothing manufactured about him he has an amazing voice and the public also believe so. Not to mention that Leona Lewis has won the show a few years back and has had more success than RATM has in their much longer career.
@Jonathan mate Joe has a voice equivelent to a good singer not a professional singer because they are not going on the Xfactor they are busy working. so yes joe wins!!! out of all the people that had the time and lack of integrity to go on it. any PROFESSIONAL singer is not going bother with Xfactor cos they don’t need it they have REAL TALENT!!
and its not the publics choice the majority of people just can’t see that they are having bullshit rammed down there earholes. I bet he cannot write a song for shit I can garauntee a team of excellent song writers wrote the song he has covered.
as for RATM they wrote themselves from their hearts and changed the world!
the people that love RATM will love them for ever people will forget about Joe by next christmas cos they’re need a new vessel to sell ingnorance through.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. x
Can’t believe you think Leona Lewis has had more success than RATM. You know there’s a whole world out there beyond the UK and most of the rest of the world haven’t even heard of Leona Lewis.
Ok so you’ve never heard of Rage Against the Machine, fair enough. But surely you’ve heard of punctuation?
your missing the point jonathon,
its the lyrics and the meaning behind RATM’s song, thats what makes it good,
its saying fuck you to the majority, fuck you to the goverment.
rather than the same old recycled shit you get from shows like the xfactor,
it is ten times better than a shit song
a 17 year old girl wrote.
which has been mass produced,
and is loved by children all over the world,
and not saying joe cant sing, not atall. hes decent but people from shows like BGT and Xfactor,
expect to be christmas number one, and do well. when they havn’t really had a propper experence
of music, they have basically been mass produced, they have a “look and a sound”
that they have to stick to, they sing about meaningless shit.
even fucking up lenoard cohen’s song hallelujah by making it into some mass produced shit like,
jeff buckley, covered it, and it is better known for him, but he wasnt some robot, his version had meaning
where as i dont think any of them know the real meaning of songs, they just get made to sing
they get there songs chosen for them , they dont get to pick.
as someone else said before, joe will get his time to shine, he is a good singer,
but being so new into the “music scene” he should just let them get number one,
a band who’s songs have anti political meanings they have worked hard for it, he hasnt, he has just had an easy shot at fame. he wouldnt go out busking, playing gigs ect.
his time will come.
Get Jonathan a Handbag to ponce around!
Killing in the name of…
“get Jonathan a handbag to prance around with”
hahahaha
EPIC!!!
I agree. 19.1 million people watched the xfactor on Saturday. 20 million on Sunday. RATM folks call us idiots for watching the show. 19.1 million is quite a high number.
@sarai
logical fallicy alert! just because a lot of people watch the x factor does not mean it is any good!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Love the article, I agree!
Thanks Liam :O xx
I’m glad I don’t work in Mike T’s office. What a bunch of bores.
“I live in the real world”? Go and read the Daily Mail or something.
Kudos
The comments in this article actually say a lot about society itself. The free-thinking, intelligent members of society post coherent, well punctuated responses stating their approval of this campaign. The box-ticking, materialistic sheep respond by rambling incoherently, repeating themselves with out a hint of the existance of a comma, or indeed some decent research!
Good article, and I know which one I will be buying.
Thank you
xx
Yes, of course. Anyone who disagrees with you is a “materialistic, box-ticking sheep”. And others, by miracle of simply sharing your opinion and “supporting this campaign” are “intelligent and free-thinking” people. Incredible.
I’m willing to bet most people who are downloading RATM dont particularly like the song, but that is not the POINT! It is the PRINCIPLE of the matter, remember principles?, funny things, we used to grow a lot of them in this country, then the great principle famine of ’97 started, brought about by Blairblight, ruined all our crops. We now have to import them all! We are not all RATM fans (I am lukily enough, saw them in Manchester in ’92) the reason we are uniting under a common banner is to oppose the assumption this arrogant man has that he somehow rules music and taste in this country. Because we all like and respect different types of music it was agreed to pick a song that reflected the sentiment of our feelings. As a series of small minorities we have no voice but together there are more of us than X-Factor fans and the penny is only just dropping with you, being the largest minority (yours) does not mean you are the majority (us)! If the song chosen was Copacabana by Barry Manilow we would still buy it! Dont you get it?
Funny that, you’ve got all the xfactor supporters rallying around Joe. Because my principals tell me your attempts to destroy the dreams of an 18 year old are pathetic.
Amen!
What the fuck blue bird? We aren’t in government here, we’re just passionate about what we’re talking about. Just because you take the time to type a fucking comma doesn’t make your point more valid. Stop acting so stuck up.
Johnathon you literally just made me cringe. Your only saving grace is that you could be 12.
Johnathon you say there, sorry i mean their, is nothing manufactured about Joe? WHAT!?!?!? He couldn’t be
more manufactured. X-Factor does what is the hardest thing in music which is creating the hype Joe would
never of been able to do that without the x-factor thus making him manufactured. RATM started in their
garage and had to work and work to get where they are today something Joe hasn’t done this is the main
reason why people dislike him and the x-factor.
hear hear!! xx
Moron
It seems a little unfair onI think that, unfortunately for Joe Mcelderry, he has jumped at what might, in his eyes, be seen as the best opportunity to make it as a “popstar”. Seems a little harsh to penalise an 18 year old for trying to achieve something, even if it was the opportunity to be a professional singer. Might it not be better to judge him again in 5 years time and see how he develops. Buying RATM to stop “The Climb” getting to No. 1, seems to me like firing at Simon Cowell, but Joe is standing right in front of him!!!!
There is no denying that Joe is a fantastic singer (I saw some of his songs and he has to put no effort in at all)
But it’s the principles which count!!!!!!
So yeah, RATM4XMAS#1!!!
I couldn’t agree more. An 18 year old kid doesn’t deserve what this campaign is giving him. And by the way, I highly doubt Joe actually said he’d be ‘gutted’ not to win the top spot. We are talking about the Sun newspaper, right?
Started in their garage? They should have stayed there
yes, then they would never have been ranked 33rd on VH1′s 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock list in 2005.
and also; Rolling Stone lists “Killing in the Name” as the 24th in its 100 Greatest Guitar Songs of All Time.
they gave the world nothing and should have been smothered at birth obviously,
of course domin8ic, you could say that VH1 & Rolling Stone aren’t very knowledgeable institutions
and therefore those accolades mean nothing – what do you say?
but yes, Joe did some very hard work going through a few auditions and performing less times in
total on x-factor than RATM at 1 of their concerts – so yeah he obviously deserves a #1 at his
first crack after all that strenuous work
i mean seriously, do you really believe that Olly wouldn’t be selling the exact same song to the
exact same people if he had won? I’m sure Joe is talented, but you should be rewarded for hard work,
and not for being the best of those that turned up for a talent show
I don’t think it matters if he has heard the song before. He was a baby when it was first released, so why should he be expected to know it. Joe might be a lovely guy and really his sexuality or virginity is not anyone’s business. But if he has genuine talent and appeal, he doesn’t need to get a Christmas No.1 and he will have longevity. What troubles me is that one man is coming to dictate music through karaoke contests. Simon Cowell, who promoted Robson&Jerome, the Power Rangers and Zig and Zag, is not interested in music. He is a speculator, not an investor. As soon as Joe’s earnings start falling, Cowell will ditch this lad at a till in Sainsbury’s. The Rage Against the Machine protest is as much as preventing the exploitation of ambitious and affable yet gullible young people in this circus as it is promoting talented musicians who write and sing and try to push the boundaries. If the industry becomes increasingly Cowellite in its approach to music, it will never again invest in acts like RATM and we’ll have an endless dirge of mediocre pop ballards.
Excellent Points. Totally agree
Back in Black by AC/DC – a classic, yet way before my time. Hey Jude by the Beatles – a classic yet way before my time. Jimmi Hendrix’s Voodoo Child, way before my time and yet still a classic. Killing in the Name of can be played as a cover by any band at any gig, just like all the other songs I’ve mentioned, and you’d get the majority of the crowd singing along.
It is a classic.
They fought hard to earn their status.
They didn’t do it for the fame, they did it for the music and their political messages.
They didn’t ask for us to buy their music, we bought it to show the manufactorers of music that you can’t make a star within a matter of months and get them to number one just by showing their pretty face on tv every week.
The number one spot should be saved for the best.
The deserved.
The people that worked hard for it.
I’m not saying that Joe didn’t work hard, sure, he had voice lessons and had to sing live every week.
However, I work hard, I write essays every week, therefore Oxford should accept me.
….It doesn’t work like that.
It seems to me like people would download the X Factor single no matter what the cover song and who won.
I can’t imagine why, considering it’s such a blatent money making scheme.
Rage have made their mark in the world.
Who’s even going to remember Joe in 10 years?
HELLS YEAH!
I wouldn’t go as far as hating Joe. And I don’t hate the X Factor. I think the whole show is money making scheme but for the contestants I think that they think it’s a way to get their talent appreciated. I mean (I forgot who said it) yeah those with “real talent” don’t need such publicity however some do. There are plenty of talented artists and musicians that just don’t ‘make it’ you know? But the most talented ones never win anyway ( I mean THINK about it, while some people do vote on talent how much of those ‘millions of fans’ are teenyboppers or just ordinary adults who vote purely on appearance whether consioucly or sub-consciously?)
I think the problem with the X Factor is that while the contestants worked for what they have got, they have not worked nearly as hard as some artists already around. And tbh I think that’s really disrespectful and insulting to those who’ve worked for YEARS to gain what they have and get to the top spots of the charts, but maybe not even the number 1 because some reality talent show artist has realeased a single that they’ve covered. Jesus, at least have a NEW song you know, even if he didn’t write it?
And I’d also like to point out that yes, people buy these songs and therefore it’s what people want to listen to. But erm, if you think about how many people there are that don’t buy SINGLES because they aren’t so superficial as to buy one song by an artist one week then another the next? I don’t think people actually consider the fact that there are millions who buy full albums, from the store, that may or may not like such music generated by X-Factor-esque shows. When she says “manufactured popstar” I think she means the popularity is manufactured rather than his voice. (although she would be EXTREMELY correct, voice wise, if we were referring to John and Edward, no?)
Furthermore as someone else has mentioned, many don’t realise that they are listening to talentless twits (for lack of a better phrase, I’m sure some of these twits aren’t completely talentless i’m just generalising). Of course, people don’t like to admit this, but if anyone has studied sociology, then they would understand. The media manipulates people in ways that everyone doesn’t know about, it just so happens that when it comes to music some peole are more aware of it that others. (I’m not specifying particular music fans because there are many people out there who listen to rock mostly but like some chart music because it’s meaningful) Anyway cba to write anymore. I wish people would not be so nasty though (including all comments here and all over the net!)
Hi Guys and Dolls
I don’t think Joe should have won the X factor – it should have been Stacey! Joe has a voice as flat as a pancake and stick to what he is good at “cheesy grinning”! So sorry – he will be another Leon – a one hit wonder! Or should I say a “a one miss wonder?”
Stacey? Stacey “singing candle” Solomon? Stacey “dull as a box of hair” Solomon? Stacey “strained to hit any high notes” Solomon? You mean that Stacey? Compared to the guy who could actually sing?
dunno how u cn say tht tbf wen Staceys is way more flatter than his! y u think she came third?
Can someone translate this to English please?
Translation: “Puppet no.2″ had a much superior puppet-master than that of “Puppet no.1″.
When you think about it it’s not the fault of the X-factor viewer that we have to put up with such
drivel and drab songs. Its not like you could phone in to X-factor and say: “I’d like to put a vote
on “The Circle Jerks”". If people are only given the choice of “Puppet 1″ and “Puppet 2″ no-one
thinks about the trapeze artist. Is ignorance bliss?
Zack de la Rocha & Rage don’t give a shit about charts. They’re more interested in a revolution, getting support for the “Zapatista Army of National Liberation” overthrowing capitalist law and order.
No jokes…
ARRGHHHH
Just cus he won X Factor does not give him the right to the number one spot.
It’s not the end of the world if he doesn’t get it, we’re not ‘picking on him’, I mean for heavens sake with all this media attention he’s probably MORE popular now! I didn’t watch X Factor at all so I wouldn’t have remembered his name if this whole Rage thing hadn’t happened.
If he doesn’t get number one, he’ll definately get number two. NUMBER TWO IN THE CHARTS!! THAT’S FREAKIN HUGE!!! Up and coming artists would jump and jump for joy if they got number two. If anyone’s upset that Joe doesn’t get number one, especially Joe, then thats bloody selfish of him. It’s not even his own song for heavens sake.
And to ‘some guy..’ who says that ‘Rage don’t give a shit about the charts, they’re more concerned with revolution’. Well yeah, this is true. It was NEVER about the charts for them and what rewards they reaped for making music (part of what makes them so pure and respected) but Rage have recognised this ‘battle’ for number one and are encouraging it because it is a revolution in itself. It’s the people revolting against the Music Machine that churns out music that isn’t pure and respected. Anything that gives the people their say and brings them together to stand up for what they think is right is what Rage condones.
And to Daisyy: ‘moronic song called KILLING IN THE NAME-hmmm very christmassy’
Gaaahhh. It is NOT a moronic song. It is a truly inspiring song about politics if you listen to the lyrics. What are more moronic songs are songs that have actually gotten huge in the charts in the past. Bob the Builder can we fix it? That got to number one. Okay, it’s a bit of fun, I don’t have alot of beef with that. But songs in the chart constantly such as ‘I’ll take you to the candy shop, I’ll let you lick my lollipop…’ COME ON!!! And what about ‘my neck, my back, like my uhhh just like that…’. ????!!!???? AND THAT’S THE CENSORED VERSION!!! This crap they call music which is in fact degrading repetative lyrics talked over a monotonous beat fills our charts monthly. So why do people have a problem with killing in the name of? And second of all…well duh it’s not very christmassy, the christmas number one is somehow never to do with christmas. The Climb definately isn’t christmassy. It’s just average.
Killing in the name of is a song that proves some of us human beings have brains. We’re not just mindless beings that go around smiling dancing and working and not thinking about anything. I think the song says great things about our society compared to the degrading things there are in the charts today. I am so glad that people are voting for Rage. Because the stuff that always seems to get on top is the incredibly shallow stuff. As humans, we are more than that. Voting for Rage is a tiny thing to do, but at least it’s something.
this is an excellent comment… couldn’t have said it better myself
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viva zapata! thats all i’m saying.
In reply to Jonathon saying the younger generation wouldn’t remember it, I was born in 1991 and me and alot of my friends know the song, know of RATM and me and a few others had the privilege of seeing them live.
You say Joe deserves a number one because he has a brilliant voice, well to break it to you so do other people, go onto youtube and see talented musicians trying to get recognised who have better voices and talented. Joe has taken a shortcut to success which is why people will be against him. RATM worked hard for success, the members being in bands before RATM, just like hundreds of other talented local bands trying hard to get recognised, they are more deserving of a No.1 than Joe.
P.s the song is a classic
well said ‘dude’ and good on you for being born in ’91 and already listening to some awesome music!
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Well to be honest i have never heard RATM song either!!!! I love watching the X Factor but i must admit i would go out and buy an album by Olly quicker than i would for Joe, I would buy a concert ticket for Olly quicker than i would for Joe. Olly would put on an amazing show, Joe would just stand there and sing!!!! In regards to the X Factor going to number 1 every xmas…its starting to become a very boring tradition!!!!
I have to agree with you there. Olly was the better out of the two. xx
I already own RATM’s debut album on CD, cassette and vinyl, but I’ve still gone and bought Killing in the Name, just to make a point. I don’t mind people watching and enjoying Xfactor, but keep that manufactured shit out of the charts, please.
I want to see more fresh musical talent and less pre-fabricated pop shite surrounded by a huge marketing campaign.
Look, RATM are never going to be Christmas No. 1.
As soon as the CD hit’s the shelves RATM is gone.
I dunno if youc an rememeber years ago, Will Young was No. 1 after the first Pop Idol.
Elvis Vs JXL was outselling it 3 to 1. Sony just pulled it off the shelves. They always find a way.
If RATM got the Numebr 1 I’d be ecstatic, but there’ll be events between now and then.
Look out for the Facebook group being ” Moderated ” and removed….
How are Sony going to pull RATM’s downloads, infect all our p.c.’s?
dont remember either of them having over a million determined people willing to buy repeatedly to ensure victory
I’m not saying Sony can stop downloads – but they can sabotage the campaign – unnecessary, but they can. For example, do you think lowering the price to 29p so that sales at that price won’t count in the charts was Amazon’s idea?
Talk now of the Facebook group having been sabotaged.
I’d love to see RATM at No. 1 for Christmas – I just don’t think it will happen.
He is all of 18 years old! Get over yourself and take an anger management class, child.
I have quite liked RATM’s music for many years but not their radical communist political views.
Joe has a great voice and I have enjoyed this X-Factor.
I bought Joe’s single primarly to stop the nihilistic campaign, which I feel is more about crushing the successful (Cowell, Joe etc) than anything else.
3 cheers for individualists who buy what they want and don’t hate capitalism!
You’ve liked them but not there political message? What do you do? Hum their jaunty toons! Whistle their melodic symphonies? Fool, if you own any of their material donate it to someone who isn’t a hipocrite a.s.a.p.
Sorry mate but you seem to have missed Tom’s point somewhat. You don’t have to agree with the political
or sociological message of a song to enjoy listening to it. The voice is an instrument; if you listen to music
in a foreign language you don’t understand, does that compromise your enjoyment of listening? There are
millions of non Italian speaking (for example) opera fans around the world who would agree with me that
it doesn’t.
Why Debate about who should be numberone between Joe and RATM,there is only one single that should be Christmas number one,and that should be A Soldiers Christmas Letter by The Soldiers not only has it a poignant message about forces lives but also applies to anyone who does not have all members of their families with them at this time of year.
These three lads are serving members of our Armed forces who are not in it for fame or financial gain but are doing it to raise money for The Army Benevolent Fund, Help For Heroes and The Poppy Appeal.
Surely this record is for far better cause than making Simon Cowell and the people at Sony richer,Thew Soldiers Album was released by an unknown company who promised to donate a minimum £10,000 amongst these charities even before a record was sold.
Hello,
we actually had the soldiers in our office on Friday (check out http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/the-soldiers it was such an honour, and yes, I agree with you, they deserve it so very, very much. xx
With all due respect to the article I dont think RATM have “waited for this moment since 1992″. They couldnt give a toss about chart positions.And to Mike T…please read Roberts reply….your office is clearly full of brain dead automatons who know nothing about music. Im not saying they have to like the song, but to not have heard of it is just plain embarrassing.
Well I’m from Joe’s hometown so feel pretty supportive of the lad, knowing how he structured his education around performing arts, is this not the equivalent of “rehearsing in parent’s garages” as the article says – I mean for pop, I’m sure he’s spent countless hours practicing at home…
I’m a fan of all things real music rock, pop and funk but I do recognise a talented singer when I hear one. I’ve played in bands and love RATM but I do have to say Well done Joe.
Let’s get back on track, this is a drive to get a fantastic band to the number one slot which is fair enough, but let’s not show ourselves up by criticising a young lad with aspirations when there’s so many lazy thieving wasters sat at home while the decent members of the community work to support them and themselves which is a point RATM actually supported…
I love the fact that both Joe and RATM are on the same record label, how exactly is that sticking it to Simon cowell?
And come on, did you watch the X-Factor have you seen even a tiny snippet of Joe? Do you expect the poor lad to listen to a band like RATM? No? Didn’t think so.
Personally I wanted an actual Christmas song as #1, but as thats never going to happen, I went and bought Joe’s version of ‘the climb’ form Amazon, partly because it was 29p and partly because I like the song itself better. Im not a RATM fan and don’t see why I should buy it just to make a point when really the point in null when no matter what the same record company will make the profit.
That’s a good point, I think it’s the principle that the X factor winner’s song is guaranteed no.1, that isn’t right. Joe is being exposed to the shallow and competitive music world. I downloaded RATM and my girlfriend bought Joe’s single. Now if Joe covered Killing in the name of…
Keep downloading the dross at 29p from Asda or similar. Any single costing less that 39p or so DOESN’T COUNT in the charts. My sweet Jesus! This is going to be easier than we thought!
Wrong. As long as the retailer purchases it for the price of 40p or above it counts. What the customer pays for it is irrelevant.
And before you reply trying to tell me I am wrong, read the official rules for chart eligibility:
http://www.theofficialcharts.com/docs/Official%20UK%20Singles%20Chart%20Rules%20August%202009.pdf
RATM is not a good track at all, there only at number 1 “AT THE MOMENT” because some people don’t like the x factor and are blaming iit on Joe McElderry who deserved to win by miles…Give the kid a break, jesus
If this gets in as number 1 its a statement against mediocrity and talentless people who not only cultivate
this culture of “Non- Music” but also the ones that put themselves forward as being “musicians” it makes
me nauseous to be honest. This only needs to be done one please get the single let it win.
FUXK SIMON COWELL, LOUIS WALSH and their ilk and wtf qualifies Danni “talentless” Minogue
to comment on any kind of music.
I won’t waste your time by repeating many of the very valid comments made already, but what I will add is that the major problem a lot of the people backing the RATM campagn have is that for the past decade Simon Cowell has assumed that it is right to decide the Christmas number one and anyone else – talented or not – be damned. This is a wake up call to remind him that he does not have sole rights to the Christmas number one.
Also, in reply to the person who said to give Joe a chance, this isn’t about those behind he campaign denying him his chance – it’s about making it clear to the music industry as a whole that no-one has a right to the Christmas number one -it has to be earnt; and not through an hour long weekly advert loosely dressed up as a talent show.
To all those of you defending Joe’s “hard work” in getting to where he has so far got (wherever that may be), may I remind you that Joh has not worked hard: I doubt he has shared a Transit van with 6 other people for months on end doing the gig circuit, I doubt t hat he has any idea of producing his own music, and I very much doubt that he knows the difference between a chord and cord. Working hard is writing music, doing gigs, releasing and publicizing your own music. And the measure of ones success is not measure by how many units are shifted, but whether other people sing YOUR songs (assuming you have any), whether you contribute to the art. Simply being a trained vocal monkey with a cutesy face and appearing on a TV show for a few weeks does not mean that any degree of hard work has gone into the creative process. Sorry to say it, but Joe and the other X factors winners and contestants have NO discernible talent whatsoever. If not this year, then next year the campaign to unseat Cowells little clones from the xmas number 1 should begin in earnest. If a number 1 is not assured the show will not continue to run.
amen.
I don’t care either way who gets to number one for christmas…but Robert…if you are going to criticise someones grammar and spelling as a means of discrediting their argument then I would go over your own before you post such comments. For example… *believe, *hypocrite, *original. There are many more but quite frankly I dont want to waste anymore of my time.
“poll in our office. Only 3 out of 21 people had heard of killing in the name of?”
about 14% of your office knows ‘killing in the name of’
if you used your poll (14%) nationwide that would be 8,595,876 people that know ‘killing in the name of’
RATM have sold MORE than this.
If you were to add all the x-factor songs sales it still would’nt be half as popular as R.A.T.M. FACT
Mike T
What kind of man works in an office anyway?
Do you read HEAT magazine?
Oh you sensitive little flower.
Whats your view on civil partnership?
I wish joe could make money without making simon cowell money in the process
and without having to populate the airwaves with ambience.
I don’t have a problem with Sony Records just Simon Cowell.
Dudes, listen up, the only reason this was started, is because music enthusiasts and metaheads
alike are sick of this manufactured bulls*** pop music that X factor, Pop Idol etc. churn out
every bloody year. This is a Big middle finger to the heartless music producer Simon Cowell, and
a big middle finger to the utter s*** that clutters the charts today. I truly hope RATM destroys Joe
Mc Elderry, and I call bulls*** that he doesn’t know of RATM, ’cause he sung Journey for god
sakes he must know of RATM. F*** you simon cowell and f*** you society.
Is that post by Amy a piss-take or maybe she is 12 years old…anyway claiming that no one has ever heard of RATM are the words of a prize idiot…2 US number one albums and various Gold, Platinum and Silver sales, tells me they’ve done quite well so far. Please come back and argue this point when Joe has done the same
Cheers
I like Joe, he’s a nice guy and a good singer. (For the record, I voted for him.) I dislike the boring repetitiveness of the x-factor winner automatically getting x-mas no. 1 every year.
Also, shouldn’t they have picked ‘Bullet in the Head’, rather than ‘Killing in the Name’?
griw up all of you. It would be a disaster if RATM got xmas number one. I don’t like cowell having his way but you can’t have that explicit song in the same category of xmas number ones alongside slade and wizard
all bollocks, joes a cool kid and RATM are awesome, so fuckin what who wins its music for fucks sake
I’m definately not a RATM fan since I was born in 1987 and hadn’t heard Killing In The Name Of… until a few years ago (and it’s not my usual taste). However, I agree that the X Factor is nothing but a money-making scam for Simon Cowell who simply manufactures these singers, who must have a certain look/sound etc, and then dumps them along with the public by the time next year‘s X Factor comes around. I personally don’t think the boy is anything special at all. He can sing – not amazingly or to the degree I can imagine him sticking around for years to come, but he can sing. I actually find it amusing what RATM are doing and good on them for making a stand against what they believe in. I couldn’t imagine Joe McElderry having the personality to do anything similar, or Simon Cowell to have the passion to do anything similar. Whether RATM get number 1 or not, they’ve made their point and I think that’s all that matters to them, unlike Joe who simply wants a meaningless number 1.
Ratm really shouldn’t get no1, I accept that they have made their point and all that but it doesn’t particularly mean it’s gonna affect Joe. I mean I know he may be disappointed but cmon! It’s one number 1 im sure he will get plenty more, and why all of a sudden has everyone picked on little Joe. He’s 18! ratm had their time-and never got a number one, now just let Joe have his time! Someone says download some moronic song called KILLING IN THE NAME-hmmm very christmassy- and immediately a load of ppl HAVE to do wat they say…
who or what the fuck is rage against time and what does it have to do with joe or x-mass?
joe deserves no.1 he is an AMAZING singer
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There no saving human lab rats, why bother?
Watch X-factor and go back to sleep….
This has to be the most ridiculous scenario ever to materialise. It’s so grinch like.  If you don’t like manufactured pop, change the station/ chanel.ÂÂ
A situation only affects you as long as you let it.ÂÂ
 To be honest, everyone who has jumped on the ratm bandwagon is a sheep, attempting to associate themselves with a counter culture that they don’t truly understand in the hopes of being scene as minority finally standing up to the oppresive conglomerates who apparantly dictate our lives.ÂÂ
I  appreciate that people are sick of Simon cowell having a guaranteed number 1, but honestly, what does it really matter. If joe gets to number 1, it has no bearing on my life whatsoever, in the same way that ratm having a number 1 is meaningless to me.
 I’m still going to be listening to southern soul regardless.
 I’m a ratm fan, I hae been since 1993. That won’t change.ÂÂ
My gf purchased joes single from hmv in Wednesday and was openly criticised for her choice by the salesman. I will not tolerate the small mindedness that the individuals engaged I this campaign possess. The statement your trying to make is negated completely when you tell someone they are wrong for wanting to listen to joe. It’s music. There is a place for all genres. Joes song may have no sentiment to you but you have to accept that killing in the name of means nothing to a lot of people aswell that doesn’t make them ignorant or wrong. That just means they are of a generation or culture that is different. Why should try be criticised for that.ÂÂ
Yes te xfactor is an annoying show that takes over itv for a hell of a long time. But people don’t have to respond to it. If you don’t like it. Dont watch it. If you don’t like the people it produces, don’t buy the music. The xfactor is just the televised version of something that’s happened In the music industry for years look at Motown. They had several artists record the same song and put out the one that people responded to. All we are watching is the generic pop Market research process. Each week the viewing public who Choose to tune in tell the show who they prefer so they can funnel down to an apparantly marketable artist. ÂÂ
  But don’t try and turn it into a sociopolitical statement. It isn’t one. All this is doing is creating battle lines that shouldn’t be there. ÂÂ
get down off your high horse and enjoy what you enjoy. If someone wants manufactred pop. Fine. If you want to immerse yourself in the admirable campaigns of ratm. Credit to you. they are a band that have done more humanitarian work in the past 20 years than any other group i know off.  Ratm will still be relevant In 20 years time. Maybe a handful of people will remember joe. So who cares if he is guaranteed a number 1. Let him have his moment. Thefsct isthe advent of the Internet means people can access the music they want. We have choice. I can choose to search for lve performances by the last poets or I can choose to watch n sync perform pop live. This campaign would be relevent 10 years ago. But today? It’s just a bunch of irate indiviuals that think they’re too cool for school attempting to brainwash the public Into to conforming to their ideals as to what constitutes good music by telling me i should help get rage to number 1.  Well fcuk you I won’t do what you tell me.This Christmas I’m going to be listening to James carr regardless of whos top of the charts.
Call me crazy but at Christmas I’d prefer a Christmas song for number one. But you know what? Fuck joe. Fuck ratm. I will not buy any.
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Rage for number 1 ??? I’ve heard it and what a whole load of s***e !
Rage to get number 1? So someone set up a campain and ppl do wat they say? All of those who have downloaded rage’s killing in the name-(agreed with daisyy very christmassy hahalol) are a bunch of sheep that wanna ruin Joe’s fun. I agree with Jav apart from the second to last line (the first part of it)
Joe has to get no1 to keep britains dignity!
Whoever this Ruth is, could you be any ruder about Joe McElderry? So what, he hasn’t heard of them? Oooh its a crime… I agree 100% with hannah!!
Really Christmassy title that is- Killing in the name… For our country’s sake, Joe HAS to get no 1
This just shows how Britains lost everything, what has it come to? Rage getting no1 – the completely talentless idiots who can play a guitar really weirdly and end up giving you a head ache. People have to accept that not everyone likes rage, that doesn’t make them wrong as Jav said.
I wish Joe a gr8 future and he really deserves it. What the heck were John and Tracy thinking??? Nothing can be done now but hope Joe has many no1′s he, he deserves that more than anyone.
Joe got the last no1 of the noughties!! Way better than a Christmas no1. Good on you Joe, you’ve done us in South Sheilds proud!