Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Both antis and Loons need a fertility reality check.
The talk about fertility, IVF and ovulation drugs is pissing me off.
The Loons think only rejects use fertility treatment and there is no way their holy ones would ever need it.
The antis think the same way as the loons, but just think they are rejects for having to go that route.
Reality check. I guarantee you know or will know at the very least one couple in your lifetime that will undergo fertility treatment. It can be simple as ovulation stimulation to release mutliple eggs, or invasive like IVF. Welcome to the new age where our world is full of toxins, bad diets and rapid decline in human fertility. If you have been a victim of this you will know it has plumeted since 1930.
Please stop offending those of us that need a little push or help to fulfill our lifelong dream of having children. I know for a fact some of us here have gone through this from talking away from here and hope both sides will be more sensitive in their comments.
You Loons need to realize that your fetility is going to drop like a ton of bricks after you hit 30. For your idols to have gone through with any help is not abnormal. Get a grip and realize they are not perfect and 20. If it makes you feel better..yes even Jennifer Aniston will need fertility treatment. If she doesn't hurry before 43, she will need donor eggs. I've researched many clinics and none will take a 43+ for IVF without donor eggs. I hope this doesn't happen to you. Luckily I started at 33 to realize there was an age problem and am on my way for a second before 36.
Antis I know you better than this. It is fun to get the loons going but please be more sensitive to your sisters.
I don't think the antis are being harsh about anyone who uses fertility treatments, it's the idea that Angelina just had her own bio child less than two years ago, so why not just give it a chance to happen naturally again, especially when she claims to want to adopt anyway. If Angie first took care of her own health issues, than gave the natural way some time, she might not have needed IVF, but everything is what Angie wants right now no matter what (like stealing Brad rather than waiting).
I know many people who used IVF, but not without taking the time to try on their own first. Also, they had their own health in order first as well.
This is just another example of Angelina's hypocrisy. First she only wants to adopt, now even though she already has a bio child she claims not to have feelings for she has to rush to IVF to have more.
Anyone that wants to have a healthy child first tries to get their own body healthy. If a woman is anorexic, the body does not want to get pregnant because that saps even more energy from you, and so your hormones don't work properly and you don't get pregnant. If Jolie wasn't so vain, she would have eaten properly, exercised and gotten herself healthy, then tried to get pregnant. Better for the baby and better for the mother.
I went through 2 miscarriages before having my 2 kids. It is not fun, and dealing with fertility issues is very stressful. But since Shiloh isn't even 2 years old, I would say that they had no reason to use in vitro at this time.
As far as getting pregnant as you get older: it is more difficult, but not impossible. Keep healthy and go for it. But one last thought: be careful when you think you are going through menopause. You might not have your period for 6 or 7 months, and then, suddenly you find out you got pregnant. I know a woman that had a baby at 54, no fertility drugs, thought she went through menopause so they didn't use any contraception. BAby is healthy and beautiful, but parents are exhausted.
I had my first baby at 35, my second at 40. Both times got pregnant right away. So it's not always the case. My midwife was born when her mother was 50 - long before allopathic fertility help was available.
I'm not trying to diss anyone, but it really bugs me when people try to cram it down our throats that we're over the hill before we are...everyone is different. What we put in our bodies makes a big difference - if we have been using natural medicine/herbs etc, rather than allopathic, that makes a huge difference. You'd be surprised at how herbs and things like acupuncture can change your point of view of what is "normal" for a woman. I am past 50, and have not yet experienced signs of menopause. I think the drug companies and the medical community have us all brainwashed.
That said, I do have dear friends who conceived via IVF and it's nothing to be ashamed of. If those results could have been achieved by more natural methods, I have no idea. Most people never even investigate such things. I was drinking certain herbal teas when I conceived the second time, I have always believed that's why it was so easy. I recommend books by Susun Weed for all women's health issues, I have been following her advice for decades. I think you will be amazed at how different things can be.
If Jolie was anorexic there is no way she would be carrying twins. Even if she had IVF, the injectable drugs thin your uterine lining to almost nothing. If she was already not having periods, the chances of one, much less two, of the embryos sticking would be impossible. You need at least a lining of at least 8mm for it to stick. If she was anorexic her lining would be and not mensturating her lining would be 0. The drugs cut off estrogen back to your pituitary gland that is why you make some 10-20 follicles with eggs. After they put them back is when you start the progesterone and that grows your lining more to sustain the pregnancy. I don't buy she wasn't having periods.
What we have here is a case of rich people selecting the best embroys with DNA testing. Laugh loonies. You think I'm kidding? These two are so full of themselves I firmly believe they wanted testing done of their biological children to make sure they are perfect. I also believe they did gender selection if it's true they are twin girls. You can bet your ass that is what Jennifer Lopez did too. In her case they did one of each so that can be her last pregnancy.
This is nothing more than two egotisitcal rich people that want the designer babies. This costs thousands for the genetic testing for problems etc and they have the money to do it.
I don't think the antis are being harsh about anyone who uses fertility treatments, it's the idea that Angelina just had her own bio child less than two years ago, so why not just give it a chance to happen naturally again, especially when she claims to want to adopt anyway. If Angie first took care of her own health issues, than gave the natural way some time, she might not have needed IVF, but everything is what Angie wants right now no matter what (like stealing Brad rather than waiting).
I know many people who used IVF, but not without taking the time to try on their own first. Also, they had their own health in order first as well.
This is just another example of Angelina's hypocrisy. First she only wants to adopt, now even though she already has a bio child she claims not to have feelings for she has to rush to IVF to have more.
+1. My brother and his wife will be undergoing fertility treatment, can't wait for them to be parents. They'll be fantastic. My gripe with Angelina is that she's a crap parent anyway, let alone with another two.
I'm no longer buying she deliberately got pregnant with Shiloh.
I think Shiloh was also IVF.
After pregnancy you normally are at your most fertile after breastfeeding. She was sickly thin before Shiloh as she was sickly thin before these twins.
If you got pregnant naturally at 40 you are one in a million. Congratulations. I really mean that.
Please don't throw around ideas that just because you drank some teas that is the cure for infertility. There is no scientific evidence or proven research to back this up. The fact is it is very difficult after 35 to have a child without any treatments. 38-40 is usually the cutoff for IVF to be worthwhile costwise unless you use donor eggs. Do you think these Hollywood stars are all using their own eggs when they are late 30s and into their 40s? Get real. Look at Courtney Cox. Coco doesn't look anything like her. Not a bit. I'm glad she has the courage to admit she had IVF unlike the Lopez's and Robert's of this world. Time will tell but I would bet Lopez used donor eggs. She had major problems with infertility even when she was 30.
HW isn't going to risk using their own eggs when the mother has advanced materal age. The risk of birth defects, downs syndrome, cystic fibrosis and chromosonal abnormaties is ten fold.
You can add Madonna to the list. Donor eggs. Image her or someone like J-Low giving birth at their age to a child with birth defects. They would probably abort.
Actually, since so very few people actually use herbal and acupuncture methods, I doubt that there is much research into it...big medicine pays for the research that will promote more...big medicine.
People are turning to natural healing methods in record numbers because of one thing - they work. We are the proof. Big medicine would prefer you never knew about all the people who have found profound benefit from natural medicine.
You didn't even consider that there is another way. I'm sorry you won't consider herbs and energy medicine to be "real" enough to show up on your radar. I just wanted to put it out there for anyone who MIGHT be interested in investigating alternate ways of conceiving after they've tried natural, and BEFORE they jump to the big allopathic guns. There's no harm in reading a book - what I've said might actually help someone. Clearly your mind is already made up, but someone else may benefit from my words.
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