Winter of discontent

[NoLies]

Battles lines are being drawn, by the Unions, this is the start of a big battle with Capitalism or at least with the Capitalist lackey Judas Brown, we are about to find out if Socialism in Britain is finito kaput period,

Its going to a battle where i think its not exactly impossible, that funding from the unions to the government, may actually be withdrawn, at least i hope so. Add to that, the massive fuel rises and the threat of power cuts, it will be just like the good old days.

This time though, the power cuts will be caused by Capitalists as well as Trade Unionists, it will be very interesting to see how this pans out, although it wont be very pleasant experience for us all. Get out your thermal long johns + winter woollies, and prepare for the big freeze.

What do you guys reckon then? should the Unions withdraw funding to the Labour Party?

Do you think all parties should be funded by central government?

Should the BNP also be funded by central government?

Will you enjoy watching Brown dance to the tune of The Red Flag?

The people's flag is deepest red,
We sincerely wish old Judas dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
The pensioners died, but they were old
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
For Brown the aged had to die
Within its shade we'll live and die,
No tears for them will Judas cry
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
The old folk died of cold and fear.

Pay workers more or face Winter of Discontent: Unions lay down gauntlet to Brown


Gordon Brown was put on notice for another Winter of Discontent today after the Trades Union Congress declared public sector pay must rise.

TUC general secretary Brendan Barber insisted a Government that spends 'billions' on consultants and tax breaks could well afford to pay more to vital workers.

He delivered his blunt message as Mr Brown was hosting his first Cabinet meeting since the summer break in Birmingham and attempting to launch a fightback.

Piling further pressure on the Prime Minister, the union leader also repeated the call for a windfall tax on energy firms to help out families struggling to meet rising prices.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1053332/Union-leaders-mass-pay-protests-TUC-attacks-Browns-beleaguered-Government.html

[DanMc]

Ah news according to the Daily Mail, the paper that once supported Oswald Mosely's fascists. You'll go mad if you read that for long enough.

No of course the state shouldn't fund the BNP. They are dangerous right-wing extremists who have recently taken to covering up their true intentions with a thin veil of respectability.

Plus, as they have shown when they get the odd seat in local elections, they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

[Winston Smith]

Ah news according to the Daily Mail, the paper that once supported Oswald Mosely's fascists. You'll go mad if you read that for long enough.

It is where we get the phrase "hate mail" from. When the Daily Mail was first founded by Lord Northcliffe in 1896, his idea was to run with a news story every day that would get its readership hot under the collar and to "hate" whoever it was targeted against. And thus the phrase "hate mail" was born.
Nice to see the paper hasn't changed in over 100 years.
In addition to this, and the support for Oswald Mosely, Lord Rothermere, who took over from Northcliffe in 1922 was a friend of Mussolini and Hitler and supported Nazism up to and including 1939. Rothermere only changed his editorial stance after the government threatened the paper with closure.

[Gibbous Moon]

I could run my power station by remote control from the other side of the world with two people. One man to run the power station and one to keep him company so he doesn’t get bored and try anything stupid. The gas comes in through a pipe which can also be controlled by two people.

My competitors’ coal plant down the road buys all its coal from Poland and South Africa.

Oh, and because we’re scarce valuable highly trained and highly prized labour we all got an above inflation pay rise.

I don’t think the lights are going off any time soon.

GM

[NoLies]

No of course the state shouldn't fund the BNP. They are dangerous right-wing extremists who have recently taken to covering up their true intentions with a thin veil of respectability.

Would i be right in thinking that you are not a BNP voter Dan? I believe that all political parties have both good and bad idea's, could you tell me, what exactly it is that makes you hate the BNP so much? or Which 1 of their policies in particular, is it that upsets you the most.

No of course the state shouldn't fund the BNP. They are dangerous right-wing extremists who have recently taken to covering up their true intentions with a thin veil of respectability.

Do you think that the other parties should be funded by central government?

The way i see it is, that if central government was funding all parties, then governments would not be beholden to any one group of people and could then govern properly by doing what they thought best, as opposed to doing what they had to do, to maintain their funding from some individual group.

The BNP is a legal legitimate political party, so why should they not qualify for governmental funding, if all other parties were doing so?

You've got me wondering now, but surely the odd seat here and there would not allow them to control any council, and i would have thought that, they needed to have control to have, any effect at all, was there any particular council, you had in mind?

It is where we get the phrase "hate mail" from.

Thats an interesting one Winston, Is it true , ive never heard that before?

In addition to this, and the support for Oswald Mosely, Lord Rothermere, who took over from Northcliffe in 1922 was a friend of Mussolini and Hitler and supported Nazism up to and including 1939. Rothermere only changed his editorial stance after the government threatened the paper with closure.

This thread is turning out to be a real lesson for me, i never knew any of the above, you guys are well clued up in most respects it seems.

I have to say though that the Bush family, worked hand in hand with the Nazi's during the second world war, Bush's Granddaddy sat on the board of a bank alongside Nazi's, wile his countrymen were being killed by the Nazi's he was in partnership, so it seems supporting Nazism, is ok if your making a profit from it.

My competitors’ coal plant down the road buys all its coal from Poland and South Africa.

But thats down to Thatcher, she shut the British Coal fields out of spite, just to finish the NUM, it was actually cheaper to use British Coal, if it had not been for Poland helping to keep Polish workers in jobs by subsidizing Polish Coal production.

And at this point in time, the British government is subsidizing Polish coal, to bail out RJB.

Ime no expert, but i have read a couple of news reports that say, this Winter Britain will experience power cuts of the kind that Italy and some other European countries have had, that may or may not be true of course, only time will tell.

Do you guys think that Socialism is now dead in Britain, or can the Socialist reclaim the Labour party, from the Blaire Capitalists?

Do you think our Unions will regain the power they once had?

[Cambridge]

Hey, NL. This is obviously a Brit party so I'll be brief. Just dropped in to say hi.

[NoLies]

Hi to you too Cambridge, its good to see you, so to speak, ime please to see that old Hurricane did not get you.

Brits we maybe, but i know, that you know, as much about Britain as any one, and more about Britain than most Brits.

Take care.

[billy69]

Brown a capitalist lackey ? Brown doesn't know the meaning of capitalism - if he did, he wouldn't behave in the way he has for the last 11 years.

Most companies here in the uk hate the man for what he's done / doing & what he is.

Whoever takes over is going to inherit the biggest pile of shiite financially because of Browns utter incompetence.

Going back to old Labour / union ways is an even worse answer. I would have thought Labours last run under Wilson et al would give you all the clues there as to why not to rerun that piece of crap history again. I lived under it - remember it well & I suppose it was good in one way - it made me realise I was wasting my time working / living in the UK with no chance whatsoever of making a decnt living under Labour - so i sold up, moved lock stock & barrel to the Middle East for 8 years with wife & 2 children - living at a far higher standard of life ever imaginable here - on tax free wages - such that 6 years later I owned my own home back in UK outright (& one I could never have afforded if I'd still lived in Uk). I only came back when Maggie had sorted out all the union crap that was killing uks competitiveness.

Why not give UKIP a go - they seem to be the only party talking about pulling us out of Europe etc. Couldn't do worse than Brown - the man is an abomination

[NoLies]

Brown a capitalist lackey ? Brown doesn't know the meaning of capitalism - if he did, he wouldn't behave in the way he has for the last 11 years.

What about flooding the UK, cheap slave labour, the only ones who gain from that are is Capitalist companies.

Has allowed Gas, electric, and water companies to extort massive profits from UK Customers. The French government ordered the same power companies to restrict price rise's to 2% Brown could have done the same but he did not he sided with the Capitalist power companies.

He may not have done a great deal for smaller companies, i dont really know, but he has helped the big companies thats for sue, but he has done nothing at all for the working class.

Allin all though, he is as you say totally useless, and its now becoming clear that Browns supposed great ten years as Chancellor, was done so only by robbing pensioners, and running us in to dept, the sooner he goes the better, i have to agree.

[billy69]

u ask any company here in uk wot they think of Brown. The man is absolutley hated.

I have a son-in-law who is FD for a major City investment bank - they think Brown is the absolute pits for the way he has raped the financial system in the uk for the alst 11 years. The mans incompetence knows no bounds - & his use of the term 'prudence' is laughed at with derision. he has destroyed virtually everything he's touched. Sell uk gold at lowest price, remove tax free status of pension investment dividends - destroys the pension system etc. The mans utterly useless & if he had any feelings for this country & its people he should resign now. Bliar saw what was coming & quickly ducked out of the way - you want the ball Gordy - here cop for this - while Bliar legged it

[NoLies]

So he is hated by big Business, and he is detested by the working class, which one of those two groups, do you think ordered the assassination then?

Or was it his Muslim buddies? I know only one thing regarding the assassination plot, and that is.......its just a damn pity they failed, even Blair did not warrant an assassination apparently. Strange we have heard no of that story, or have i just missed the news?

I just hope now that the Unions make him dance to a very long tune, he really is a price winning SOB.

[billy69]

pity they didn't let the guys do the job b4 arresting them for the actual deed - would have been no gr8 loss

[NoLies]

I think Brown has set some kind of a record at least, he will go down in history as the only prime minister ever, to have pissed off every person right across the class and political spectrum including his own party members, a master stroke no less.

Do you think he can hang on till the end, or do you think he will get the boot?

[The Chairman]

He will last up to next general election in my opinion...there isnt anyone who wants to captain a sinking ship...!

[NoLies]

And as things are now, it rather looks as though you are right, if the Unions don't get there teeth in to him, he's home and dry, ime afraid.

I read an article in the Mirror, and it accused Brown of theft from the Miners pension fund, no but's or maybes, out and out theft.

No comment from number 10 = the Mirror is correct, the Unions i understand, are going to attempt to make him pay it back. Lets hope they drag the thieving SOB through the courts, and reclaim the stolen Millions.