Who would Jesus kill?

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this is so simplistic it's hard to know where to begin. The US's support for Israel is primarily strategic.

Primarily strategic yes, but that's not the only reason it's important. It might sound silly, but just for instance, many churches believe the Jews have to have a homeland for the second coming to occur. On a more sane note, the US Christian community has a moral obligation, beyond it's strategic value.

Like I pointed out Hitler was one anti-jewish catholic - according to his own word and the support given to him by the catholic church at the time. that's fact - not prejudice. st ambrose was another.

It takes all kinds. The Pope didn't sanction the Nazi death camps, Hitler did.

Which of the US's christians worked to create israel?

"American Protestant Zionism is significantly older than the modern Jewish version; in the nineteenth century, evangelicals repeatedly petitioned U.S. officials to establish a refuge in the Holy Land for persecuted Jews from Europe and the Ottoman .."
Walter Mead Foreign Affairs, September/October 2006

I thought it was created by british mandate.

You are mistaken. It was entrusted by the League of Nations to be administered by the UK as a mandate territory. Congress barred Wilson from joining the League as the Fifth permanent member, but Zionists and Christians in Europe had strong ties with US Christians and the US had weight in decisions the League made.

I don't really rate your estimation of anyone's intelligence, and making ad hominem attacks....

Telling you that my estimation of your intelligence has plummeted is neither Rhetoric, nor an Ad Hominem attack. It's just a statement. If you feel threatened or abused I'm sorry.

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Incidently, I didn't call you a knave or a fool. That was someone trolling.

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That is a shameless lie: the Third Reich were not "devout Catholics"; nor were Hitler or his "henchman" practising Christians.

Sorry, you're wrong. He was and they were. Had the Pope been fully aware of what Hitler was doing I hope he would have withdrawn all support and excommunicated the entire country. I'm not so sure though. It should be noted that most if not all leaders in Europe claimed to be religious, even if it was a sham in most cases as they chased women and got drunk just as religiously.

mogadishu was wrong however to quote someone claiming the war in Europe was fought over religious principles. The religious principles were just a cover for what every war is about, territory, wealth and power.

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Based on your earlier posts, it appeared that you just make up bullshit as you go along. It was therefore unclear whether you are a knave or a fool. Your post quoted above confirms that you are both a knave and a fool as well as an anti-Christian bigot.

No I don't think so. He appears genuine. He does quote anti-christian bigots however. Gaylor is the past president of "Freedom From Religion" sponsored by "SecularWeb" run by the "Internet Infidels".

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"Hitler professed himself to be a devout catholic," you say? That's funny, because I don't recall reading anywhere that Hitler attended church every Sunday. Can you name his congregation?

"He was supported by the church," you say? Let's see the evidence for that defamatory slur.

Hitler's religion was Nazism, which had nothing to do with Christianity much less Catholicism.

Christians were not exempt from the Nazis' wrath. I recall Poland and France were Catholic countries invaded by the Nazis.

Christian doctrine, i.e., the New Testament, nowhere condones or encourages aggressive war or violence in furtherance of Christianity.

Christians who did perpetrate aggressive war or violence in the name of Christianity throughout history were not acting in accordance with any conceivable interpretation of the New Testament.

On the other hand, Islamic doctrine, i.e., the Koran and Hadiths, expressly condones holy war.

Hitler believed in Aryan supremacy, which has nothing to do with Christianity.

If Hitler and the Nazis were acting to further Christianity, why was Muslim Turkey spared invasion?

Your defamatory posts reflect anti-Christian bigotry.

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Of course Christians who waged aggressive war were not acting in accordance with the new testament. Nor are christians who do so today. Nazism isn't a religion. I've posted a lot about his links with catholicism on the previous page. Lastly they weren't acting to further christianity. Hitler nonetheless declared himself to be a catholic acting on behalf of God. Was he a follower of Jesus? Not to me. But he declared himself to be a christian nonetheless.

In what way is pointing out this point of fact bigoted? Or anti-christian?

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Of course Christians who waged aggressive war were not acting in accordance with the new testament. Nor are christians who do so today. Nazism isn't a religion. I've posted a lot about his links with catholicism on the previous page. Lastly they weren't acting to further christianity. Hitler nonetheless declared himself to be a catholic acting on behalf of God. Was he a follower of Jesus? Not to me. But he declared himself to be a christian nonetheless.

In what way is pointing out this point of fact bigoted? Or anti-christian?

European Jews were saved from genocide by the Allies, whose soldiers were overwhelmingly Christian. A significant percentage of American troops were Catholic.

Had it not been for Christians, European Jews would have been wiped out altogether.

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Do you have any quotes from the Pope supporting Hitler?

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Those couple of cherry-picked quotes were before what Hitler had in mind became known and before the Final Solution was known.

I'm sure there are quotes from Jewish rabbis praising Hitler in 1939.

And we know what Neville Chamberlain thought of Hitler . . .

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Those couple of cherry-picked quotes were before what Hitler had in mind became known and before the Final Solution was known.

I'm sure there are quotes from Jewish rabbis praising Hitler in 1939.

And we know what Neville Chamberlain thought of Hitler . . .

And I note that only one alleged quote is attributed to the Pope; the two other cherry-picked quotes were allegedly made by an unidentified "cardinal" and an unidentified "bishop."

I also note that the article in which the alleged quotes appear is by an avowed anti-Christian.