dudeski wrote:Cambridge wrote:But dudeski, you’re trying to equate Iraq post-war with Japan post-war. Japan post-war stopped. Iraq is a totally different situation.
No, I'm afraid you are dead wrong bout that, my friend. That was the point of that site I linked you to, it listed dozens of examples of pockets of Japanese resistance going on for years and years.
1945
September 2, 1945
Japan surrender aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo Harbor.
Officially ends the war in the . and WWII.
December 1, 1945 Guam
Captain Oba and about forty-six other members of his force surrendered to U.S. forces. These were the last organized hold-outs of the Japanese forces in Saipan. Captain Oba's company of Japanese soldiers who held out after the Battle for Saipan hiding in the caves and jungles, carrying out occasional guerrilla actions against U.S. forces.
1946
January 25, 1946 Philippines
A Japanese unit of 120 men was routed after a battle in the mountains 150 miles south of Manila.
February 1946 Philippines - on Lubang Island.
70 miles southwest of Maillia Bay a seven week campaign to clear the island was begun by the Filipino 341st and American 86th Division. Intense fighting developed on February 22, 1946 when troops encountered 30 Japanese. Eight Allied troops were killed, including 2 Filipinos. The Filipino and Americans sent for an additional 20,000 rounds of small arm ammunition, but not future battles occurred of this magnitude.
March 1946 Guam
A Japanese band of unknown size attacked and killed a six man patrol on Guam on March 1946.
Early April Philippines - on Lubang Island.
Forty-one members of the Japanese garrison come out of the jungle, unaware that the war had ended.
1947
End March - early April 1947 Peleliu Island - Band of Japanese lead by Ei Yamaguchi
A band of 33 Japanese soldiers, commanded by Lt. Ei Yamaguchi renews fighting on the island by attacking a Marine patrol with hand grenades. At that time, only 150 Marines were stationed on the island, with 35 dependents. Reinforcement were called in to hunt down the hideouts. American patrols with a Japanese Admiral sent to convince the troops that the war was indeed over finally convinced the holdouts to come out peacefully. The band emerged from the jungle in two groups in late April, lead by Ei Yamaguchi who turned over his sword and unit's battle flags.
April 1947 Philippines - on Palawan Island.
Seven Japanese troops armed with a mortar launcher emerged from the jungle.
June 1947 Philippines
4,000 of the 114,000 troops in the Philippines as of August 1945 were still unaccounted for in mid 1946. Only 109 miles from the capital, Manila, were signs warning about armed Japanese soldiers still in the hills.
October 27, 1947 Guadalcanal Island
The last Japanese soldier surrenders. belongings included a water bottle, a broken Australian bayonet and a Japanese entrenching tool.
1948
January 1948 Philippines - Mindinao Island
200 well organized and disciplined troops finally gave themselves up on Mindinao.
Late 1948 China
An estimated 10-20,000 well equipped Japanese troops were trapped in the mountains of Manchuria and did not surrender until late in 1948. They were caught in a no man's land of civil war stuck between the warring Nationalist and Communist forces and were unable to surrender.
1949
January 6, 1949 - Two Holdouts Found
Two former IJN soldiers, machine gunners, Matsudo Linsoki and Yamakage Kufuku (24) are discovered on the island and surrender peacefully. They had been living under the shadow of American forces and stealing supplies.
And it goes on! The last surrender was in 1980!
I think this is a perfect example of the opposition to the war, if you can forgive me saying. You have completely incorrect ideas about past war, and see all this as new and unprecedented, when that just is not true at all.
These idiot Muslim extremists are no where near as dangerous as an organized nation like the Japanese. Your suggestion that disorganized, scattered peoples are more dangerous than organized, focused folks is just not even remotely supportable.
The very idea that these folks are anywhere near the warriors, planners, etc that the Japanese were suggests a woeful lack of knowledge about WWII, my friend. Seriously. And history will know that. There is no way these idiots ever do 1/2 the damage. It's been 30+ years since they started, the Munch incident was what, in '72? And I doubt in those 30 years they've killed even 10,000 -- and almost all of those were civilians, and killing civilians does not win wars.
They're terrible at this.
I think this is a perfect example of the opposition to the war, if you can forgive me saying. You have completely incorrect ideas about past war, and see all this as new and unprecedented, when that just is not true at all.
You are wrong. Ask Israel about the Muslim fundamentalists. We’ve never had the quality and quantity of activity in post-war Japan like we have today in Iraq.
These idiot Muslim extremists are no where near as dangerous as an organized nation like the Japanese. Your suggestion that disorganized, scattered peoples are more dangerous than organized, focused folks is just not even remotely supportable.
Then why didn’t the Japanese take down the twin towers—or something akin in their day? They never even set foot on US soil.
http://www.aei.org/docLib/20070502_AsymmetricalThreatConcept.pdf
http://d-n-i.net/lind/fmfm_1a_r4.pdf
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=background.view&backgroundid=00163&stoplayout=true&print=true
The very idea that these folks are anywhere near the warriors, planners, etc that the Japanese were suggests a woeful lack of knowledge about WWII, my friend. Seriously. And history will know that. There is no way these idiots ever do 1/2 the damage. It's been 30+ years since they started, the Munch incident was what, in '72? And I doubt in those 30 years they've killed even 10,000 -- and almost all of those were civilians, and killing civilians does not win wars.
As I've posted many times, the Japanese were pretty bad. Nine months after December 7, 1941, the Japanese, with a full task force including four aircraft carriers, Battleships, Cruisers and various DDs and DEs, lost all four carriers (over one-third of their carrier fleet) to a small, barely guarded force of US ships, including three carriers, one of which was listing badly from a recent engagement in the SouthPacific and had only one working propeller (USS Yorktown). How bad is that? We did that in the span of 3-4 hours, and the half-sunk Yorktown planes sunk two of the Jap carriers. That was called the Battle of Midway. After that spanking, the Japs spent the entire rest of the war like dogs with their tails between their legs…being chased around the WesternPacific by Halsey and Kinkaid.
The Japs were arrogant, but stupid. I believe you are confusing that arrogance with genuine capability. They had none. They were paper tigers. Sure, they could beat the s**t out of the disorganized Chinese, r**** the women of Nankind and such, but they were never a real adversary to the likes of the US. We dropped the bombs to end the stupidity, not because they were a worthy adversary.
They're terrible at this.
They were good enough to bring down the twin towers…the Japs never got close to such a prize. In fact, the Japs never set foot on US soil, except in a very tiny island in the far Aleutians.
You have talked a lot about your frustration over politics on this thread, when it comes to the public and the Iraqi war. Have you ever considered that your frustration was a calculated design by your countries’ adversaries, calculated to win that war?
Yes, in a sense, you are the reason we have lost.
From your post you have obviously never read Mao’s book,
On Protracted War. It is
the seminal work in this area. It talks about using small strike forces in prolonged violence instead of single, big victories…and so the better to wear down the patience of the adversaries’ public. Today, we call that guerrilla warfare, or asymmetrical war, but the theory is the same. The attack and body count are never the point...never the battle. The battle is over the patience of the public of the adversary…that very patience that you lack.
Yes, it goes to my impatience as well. But at least I have justification for my impatience. There is not now, nor has there been since Saddam was captured, any purpose for this war. A country at war, lacking a purpose, has to ask some questions. A country at war, lacking a purpose, is ignorant in the entire science of geopolitics, regardless of how many people they can kill. A country at war, lacking a purpose, is stupid.
It's true no IUD that I ever encountered did any damage.