American Hatred

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Postby Big Player, USA » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:06 pm

I don’t think anyone has ever doubted that (One man’s food is another man’s poison), but sometimes it is how people perceive others, their cultures and effects larger cultures have upon theirs.
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Postby Big Player, USA » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:30 pm

Don’t think anyone has ever doubted that (One man’s food is another man’s poison), but sometimes it is about how people perceive others, their cultures and effects larger cultures have upon theirs.

Missed out "about".
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Postby Wandering Englander. » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:58 pm

There are that many perspectives regarding the modern world - to be honest, I don’t think many people, if any will ever know the true story-, and if a person views the world as being run along neo- imperialistic lines, the West and particularly the U.S.A will be blamed.

Some people may feel that they are the victims of a cultural imperialism, i.e. the culture of the West and especially of that of the U.S.A, whose music genres, for example, dominate the world. Perhaps, if English speaking, they may feel that their English is becoming too Americanised, even though, in truth, Australian Upspeak has influenced some British English speakers.
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Postby Guest » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:34 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Does this apply to drug addicts and chronic alcoholics?
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Postby beautiful » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:38 pm

I blame the media for all of the stereotypes. Naturally someone who isn't from America and who watches everything American on TV is going to have the wrong idea, just the same as people watching our media spin of what Iran is like. They show a piss poor town with nothing on the news in America but really Iran has alot more to it.

That's like if the press from Iran were to show the ghettos in America 24-7 then everyone would think America was this big ghetto but instead it's always huge houses and alot of ccars alot of materials which is the American dream but truth be told, your average American can't afford those homes shown on TV.
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Postby Guest » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:38 am

I agree in part and disagree in part.
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:40 pm

beautiful wrote:I blame the media for all of the stereotypes. Naturally someone who isn't from America and who watches everything American on TV is going to have the wrong idea, just the same as people watching our media spin of what Iran is like. They show a piss poor town with nothing on the news in America but really Iran has alot more to it.

That's like if the press from Iran were to show the ghettos in America 24-7 then everyone would think America was this big ghetto but instead it's always huge houses and alot of ccars alot of materials which is the American dream but truth be told, your average American can't afford those homes shown on TV.


The very poorest in the USA has a higher standard of living than most of the rest of the people in the world. Even the definition of "poor" has become different since the mid 20th century, with those on full subsidies from taxpayers affording a car and more living space than most of the rest of the world. Even Europe, if you've never seen a government flat there.

I don't think most of the world thinks the US runs about in stretch limos, but having 1000 square feet of living space all to your own and a new model (even if not a stretch limo) car is cause for jealousy in 9 tenths of the world.
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Re: American Hatred

Postby Blond Adult Girl » Sat May 19, 2007 11:24 pm

DamnYankee wrote:I do not get the quantity of hate-filled posts aimed against Americans on here. Some are really quite offensive.

I understand that many do not agree with the current Administration's policies. Indeed, many of us Americans do not either. But painting "Americans" per se as the enemy is a bit myoptic and oversimplified a view of the global problem today. Painting all or most "Americans" as lard-filled, donut and fast-food, petro-addicted gluttons is truly a lame assesment to then conclude that most of the world's woes are due to America and its culture.

Think for a moment what real power Americans have. We are consumers but what real choice do we have? Go to a shopping mall and it is isles and isle of the same flashing things just packaged with flashier labels. There is the Gillette Ultra razor blade, then the Mach 5 blade, then the Super Glide. All promise you a superior quality, but they all due the same damn thing with negligible difference in effectively. People are inundated with a barrage of options that leave them all wondering if they made the best choice and if this guy or that person got a better product or deal or what have you. Less options is what I say we need.

At work, we work to get paid to keep working to work to simply get through another work week to live--not live to work. How many truly have exciting careers and free to do what they want. You basically live to pay an every increasing rent or home mortage and work to save what little you have left. We live our lives around the hands of time on the clock, having little time to even think or plan our next life move. Few live life so much as it lives it for them. We are of a culture that is fast paced and neurotic and if you asked the common man, he will say that he doesn't like it, but what real choice does he have to survive.

And this is a problem not only that Americans have to face now. Your own UK is now facing increase heart-attack rates, obesity, and diabetes. China, which is now gaining quickly economically has shown similar problems in its large cities. EVen in more traditional lands in Europe that resisted modernity that unquestionably has been lead by the US have this problem. The revelation of just how much modernity is to blame I find most striking in Greece. Thirty years ago, there were no such things as diabetes or stree in the main land as there is now, which today reflects the same status as the major cities of any nation. Yet just a few kilometers away on the isles, live is idyllic and people live well into their 90's (men as well as women) and so healthy that a 30 year old would envy a 60 year old in many cases. What happened? The mainland got "corporatized" and adopted the West's 9-to-5 work habit, including overtime and all the high-stess competition that goes with it. More people crowded in and rents went soring. Now men are dying often before 70 and cancers and heart disease have sky rocketed. The same thing is happening to Italy in some places now and even the French are getting a bit wider in the gut, though they have retain their more even-pace cultural lifestyle (kudos to them!).

The probelm isn't America but the corporate gobalization of the world. It enslaves us to workaholics without a choice in the matter, in which the quality of life is measuredly increase in terms of the medical and technolgical breakthroughs that such progess that modernity naturally brings, but a lowering of the quality of life in terms of the reduction in spiritual fulfillment and happiness and genuine variety.

You wait when those 1 billion plus china men start having what they already naturally want: what the rest of the west like the US has. Wait until they start mass producing a 50 million plus cars each year and those china men start lining up at the pumps. And China is not the only one. Russia, India. These are massive countries like the US in size and with larger populations. If you think that the problems we now face and which are growing are only limited to the US, then you have a poor understanding of human nature.

America might have gotten us started on this road, but it is a curious historical incident. Modernity would have come about eventually and perhaps in another system like fascism one far more regulated. Mass consumerism and the sense of entitlement without stopping to realize we all share one planet and its resources are limited and finite is the real enemy we must all collectively face. This will be the greatest challenge to humanity and one that will undoubtedly become more important in terms of increased wars and population and health effects if not addressed as a collective species--and not seen as one nation versus another or with an Them vs. US mentality.


Oh say does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave, oer the land of the free and the home of the brave!

God bless America, my home sweet home.

And I gladly stand up, next to you, and defend her still today. Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God bless the USA
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Postby H.Patel » Sat May 19, 2007 11:58 pm

Bad people resent good people who have what the bad people do not have but wish they had.
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Postby Guest » Sun May 20, 2007 5:56 am

you mean jealousy, right?
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Re: American Hatred

Postby Fat_Tony » Mon May 28, 2007 5:42 pm

Blond Adult Girl wrote:
DamnYankee wrote:I do not get the quantity of hate-filled posts aimed against Americans on here. Some are really quite offensive.

I understand that many do not agree with the current Administration's policies. Indeed, many of us Americans do not either. But painting "Americans" per se as the enemy is a bit myoptic and oversimplified a view of the global problem today. Painting all or most "Americans" as lard-filled, donut and fast-food, petro-addicted gluttons is truly a lame assesment to then conclude that most of the world's woes are due to America and its culture.

Think for a moment what real power Americans have. We are consumers but what real choice do we have? Go to a shopping mall and it is isles and isle of the same flashing things just packaged with flashier labels. There is the Gillette Ultra razor blade, then the Mach 5 blade, then the Super Glide. All promise you a superior quality, but they all due the same damn thing with negligible difference in effectively. People are inundated with a barrage of options that leave them all wondering if they made the best choice and if this guy or that person got a better product or deal or what have you. Less options is what I say we need.

At work, we work to get paid to keep working to work to simply get through another work week to live--not live to work. How many truly have exciting careers and free to do what they want. You basically live to pay an every increasing rent or home mortage and work to save what little you have left. We live our lives around the hands of time on the clock, having little time to even think or plan our next life move. Few live life so much as it lives it for them. We are of a culture that is fast paced and neurotic and if you asked the common man, he will say that he doesn't like it, but what real choice does he have to survive.

And this is a problem not only that Americans have to face now. Your own UK is now facing increase heart-attack rates, obesity, and diabetes. China, which is now gaining quickly economically has shown similar problems in its large cities. EVen in more traditional lands in Europe that resisted modernity that unquestionably has been lead by the US have this problem. The revelation of just how much modernity is to blame I find most striking in Greece. Thirty years ago, there were no such things as diabetes or stree in the main land as there is now, which today reflects the same status as the major cities of any nation. Yet just a few kilometers away on the isles, live is idyllic and people live well into their 90's (men as well as women) and so healthy that a 30 year old would envy a 60 year old in many cases. What happened? The mainland got "corporatized" and adopted the West's 9-to-5 work habit, including overtime and all the high-stess competition that goes with it. More people crowded in and rents went soring. Now men are dying often before 70 and cancers and heart disease have sky rocketed. The same thing is happening to Italy in some places now and even the French are getting a bit wider in the gut, though they have retain their more even-pace cultural lifestyle (kudos to them!).

The probelm isn't America but the corporate gobalization of the world. It enslaves us to workaholics without a choice in the matter, in which the quality of life is measuredly increase in terms of the medical and technolgical breakthroughs that such progess that modernity naturally brings, but a lowering of the quality of life in terms of the reduction in spiritual fulfillment and happiness and genuine variety.

You wait when those 1 billion plus china men start having what they already naturally want: what the rest of the west like the US has. Wait until they start mass producing a 50 million plus cars each year and those china men start lining up at the pumps. And China is not the only one. Russia, India. These are massive countries like the US in size and with larger populations. If you think that the problems we now face and which are growing are only limited to the US, then you have a poor understanding of human nature.

America might have gotten us started on this road, but it is a curious historical incident. Modernity would have come about eventually and perhaps in another system like fascism one far more regulated. Mass consumerism and the sense of entitlement without stopping to realize we all share one planet and its resources are limited and finite is the real enemy we must all collectively face. This will be the greatest challenge to humanity and one that will undoubtedly become more important in terms of increased wars and population and health effects if not addressed as a collective species--and not seen as one nation versus another or with an Them vs. US mentality.


Oh say does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave, oer the land of the free and the home of the brave!

God bless America, my home sweet home.

And I gladly stand up, next to you, and defend her still today. Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God bless the USA
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Re: American Hatred

Postby Blond Adult Girl » Tue May 29, 2007 8:19 pm

I like you to, Tony!
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Postby Fat_Tony » Tue May 29, 2007 9:37 pm

Oh no, now two "Neo-Cons" on the loose in here. :lol:

Hey, you doing anything this Saturday? Perhaps we can go out, get a drink, and help stage the next conspiracy for the New World Order, maybe something involving the French snail industry? :wink:
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Postby Blond Adult Girl » Tue May 29, 2007 9:41 pm

Fat_Tony wrote:Oh no, now two "Neo-Cons" on the loose in here. :lol:

Hey, you doing anything this Saturday? Perhaps we can go out, get a drink, and help stage the next conspiracy for the New World Order, maybe something involving the French snail industry? :wink:


Sounds great!

Want to visit a gun store afterwards and buy some AK47's? I heard liberals only fight with swords and pitchforks-cause they don't believe in owning guns! :lol:

Then we can head over to Guantanamo Bay and have some "fun" with those POW's!
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Postby mundheim » Wed May 30, 2007 2:05 am

Fat_Tony wrote:Oh no, now two "Neo-Cons" on the loose in here. :lol:

Hey, you doing anything this Saturday? Perhaps we can go out, get a drink, and help stage the next conspiracy for the New World Order, maybe something involving the French snail industry? :wink:

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Consummate hypocrites, their "tolerance" is limited only to those who toe their party line.
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