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Postby ZiaAries » Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:06 pm

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Ivan Diederhoff wrote:the silly love story aside in "Titanic," James Cameron did a lot of work in diving the wreck, researching documented reports and findings, building models and computer programs to test theories, to make that film. He worked directly with Dr. Robert Ballard, who discovered the wreck of the Titanic in 1985.


True, I like the film as a whole - but the love story detracts from the history. Just the same in Pearl Harbor.


If it's history you want, you'll have to watch a documentary. I don't think documentaries do too well at the cinema. :wink:
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Postby The Colonel » Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:11 pm

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Ivan Diederhoff wrote:the silly love story aside in "Titanic," James Cameron did a lot of work in diving the wreck, researching documented reports and findings, building models and computer programs to test theories, to make that film. He worked directly with Dr. Robert Ballard, who discovered the wreck of the Titanic in 1985.


True, I like the film as a whole - but the love story detracts from the history. Just the same in Pearl Harbor.


If it's history you want, you'll have to watch a documentary. I don't think documentaries do too well at the cinema. :wink:


Not true. Films such as the Longest Day, A Bridge Too Far and Laurence of Arabia did exceptionally well as movies - all historically accurate.
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Postby ZiaAries » Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:34 pm

Haven't heard of those except Lawrence of Arabia. It's one that I should view though. Isn't that an Oscar winner?

Black Hawk Down is suppose to be detailed accurate.... at least that's what I saw from interviews given by officers that were there when all that happened.
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Postby H. Franklin Layne » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:28 pm

ZiaAries wrote:
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Ivan Diederhoff wrote:the silly love story aside in "Titanic," James Cameron did a lot of work in diving the wreck, researching documented reports and findings, building models and computer programs to test theories, to make that film. He worked directly with Dr. Robert Ballard, who discovered the wreck of the Titanic in 1985.


True, I like the film as a whole - but the love story detracts from the history. Just the same in Pearl Harbor.


If it's history you want, you'll have to watch a documentary. I don't think documentaries do too well at the cinema. :wink:


Tell that to Michael Moore! :lol:


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Kate Winslett did have a fine rack, didn't she? :twisted: :lol:
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Postby ZiaAries » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:48 pm

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Ivan Diederhoff wrote:the silly love story aside in "Titanic," James Cameron did a lot of work in diving the wreck, researching documented reports and findings, building models and computer programs to test theories, to make that film. He worked directly with Dr. Robert Ballard, who discovered the wreck of the Titanic in 1985.


True, I like the film as a whole - but the love story detracts from the history. Just the same in Pearl Harbor.


If it's history you want, you'll have to watch a documentary. I don't think documentaries do too well at the cinema. :wink:


Tell that to Michael Moore! :lol:


Michael Moore is Science Fiction. And if anything is 'fantasy Hollywood,' his flicks reflects it. He reveals what he choses to reveal, and that is not all sides to his stories. AND... he man needs a valium too! :roll:

I'm not saying that he can't be informative, he just choose to fulfill his one-sided agenda which is never balanced. His attack on Dick Clark :show: was ridiculous. Like I said, he need a Quallude.
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Postby Captain » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:16 am

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Captain wrote:I miss the kleptabalonian/zaptronian posts :cry:


:(

So do I...

But I also had G&P, and a couple of others, to play off back in the early months of this year..

Then it just petered out.


maybe you should just throw a random kleptabalonian post into general conversation every once in a while, for old times sake
That way you won't have to work too hard thinking up crap when there's no one around to egg you on

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Postby boingo » Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:53 am

I recently hired Michael Moore's "Sick". His end note was some crap about America being the only country in the Western world without free healthcare. Not everyone has free healthcare in Australia either. He also made unsubstantiated claims about the UK health system, which I've been told is also totally inaccurate. While the movie was interesting because it prompted me to look further into the claims he made, it was a fictionalised documentary which is unfortunate given how great it could have been.
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Postby ZiaAries » Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:56 am

boingo wrote:I recently hired Michael Moore's "Sick". His end note was some crap about America being the only country in the Western world without free healthcare. Not everyone has free healthcare in Australia either. He also made unsubstantiated claims about the UK health system, which I've been told is also totally inaccurate. While the movie was interesting because it prompted me to look further into the claims he made, it was a fictionalised documentary which is unfortunate given how great it could have been.


boingo, The sad and truthfully real thing about "free", which is not really 'free' to any society, is that the health care available to the citizens is not the same quality health care we receive in America. Anybody, citizen or not, can go to a hospital emergency room, with or without the ability to pay and be treated and cared for. Our people see MD's/Medical Doctors not mid-wives or a practitioner.

I want health care available to all people BUT... not when standards are lowered. American has the finest of hospitals and care available in the world. All countries should have this available to them too. NOTHING LESS!

Michael Moore is a pissed-off man. Personally, I think his obvious high blood pressure is out of control. :roll:
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Postby boingo » Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:11 am

ZiaAries wrote:
boingo wrote:I recently hired Michael Moore's "Sick". His end note was some crap about America being the only country in the Western world without free healthcare. Not everyone has free healthcare in Australia either. He also made unsubstantiated claims about the UK health system, which I've been told is also totally inaccurate. While the movie was interesting because it prompted me to look further into the claims he made, it was a fictionalised documentary which is unfortunate given how great it could have been.


boingo, The sad and truthfully real thing about "free", which is not really 'free' to any society, is that the health care available to the citizens is not the same quality health care we receive in America. Anybody, citizen or not, can go to a hospital emergency room, with or without the ability to pay and be treated and cared for. Our people see MD's/Medical Doctors not mid-wives or a practitioner.

I want health care available to all people BUT... not when standards are lowered. American has the finest of hospitals and care available in the world. All countries should have this available to them too. NOTHING LESS!

Michael Moore is a pissed-off man. Personally, I think his obvious high blood pressure is out of control. :roll:


I totally agree, Zia. I normally make the same point you have about noting being truly "free", but I figured people would understand.
Thanks a lot for some further insight on how it really works in the US. :)
We have much the same thing in hospitals here. I've been to the emergency ward a few times and they usually help first and ask for details about where we live etc. later. The last time was paid for through the Medicare system (Govt health insurance).
I don't think anyone would be thrown out just because they weren't a citizen either. Visiting a regular GP is different. If we aren't already on their books, they ask for our Medicare card, which has our government medical insurance number on it. Then it still ends up costing a fortune. It's about $AU55 per basic visit where I go. ($US48, 26GBP)
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Postby The Colonel » Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:31 pm

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aquarius wrote:
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myron myron wrote:By "private area," the Colonel is referring to Private Messages which the Colonel has apparently been sending to other members.

The only member who has publicly -- and falsely -- posted that "REBMAN=MYRON" is the Colonel.

The Colonel is an admitted liar and a demonstrated coward.

The private area is NOT private messaging.

It is a private members area led by WebMonkey.

For the record, since no one else has done this I can confirm it is NOT private messaging the Colonel is referring to.

Ahhh . . . you must be referring to the private MPS Group called "Refuge," with the following stated purpose: "Freedom of aetheist expression without fear of hysterical reaction. Not to breed prejudice or hate but for discussion and friendship."

According to the Colonel, the members of "Refuge" (members are WebMonkey, kinghelfer, boingo, carrotgirl, nikko2, The Colonel, Winston Smith, aquarius, GayandProud, Sharon den Adel, Who?, snappy120_2) have made the following baseless and false accusation against me behind my back and are too cowardly to identify themselves publicly:


The Colonel wrote:And it is no surprise that a certain idiot has jumped to his defence (myron). In the private section of this site, which WebMonkey leads, and of which I am a member (I do not mean VIP) there has been plenty suggestion (not from me either) that myron and Rebman are one and the same.

I will not name names, since that is the whole point of the private area.


The Colonel claims he is not an accuser.

WebMonkey cannot be an accuser because he is a forum moderator and can easily confirm the falsity of the accusation (I don't use a proxy and my IP address is static).

I can't believe that GayandProud is an accuser because we are friendly and share a close mutual friend outside the forum.

I would be very surprised if you (aquarius) are an accuser because that would mean you were backstabbing me while calling me a Forum Friend and chatting with me.

That leaves the following as the accusers:
    kinghelfer
    boingo
    carrotgirl
    nikko2
    Winston Smith
    Sharon den Adel
    Who?
    snappy120_2
So these paragons of morality and integrity spend their time making baseless and false accusations against me behind my back and they call it "aetheist expression . . . not to breed prejudice or hate but for discussion and friendship."

Why am I not surprised?

I'm sure that I am not the only member they talk about unkindly.

Such lovely, principled people . . . take a bow . . . :clap:



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Postby myron myron » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:49 pm

The Colonel wrote:
myron myron wrote:
aquarius wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
myron myron wrote:By "private area," the Colonel is referring to Private Messages which the Colonel has apparently been sending to other members.

The only member who has publicly -- and falsely -- posted that "REBMAN=MYRON" is the Colonel.

The Colonel is an admitted liar and a demonstrated coward.

The private area is NOT private messaging.

It is a private members area led by WebMonkey.

For the record, since no one else has done this I can confirm it is NOT private messaging the Colonel is referring to.

Ahhh . . . you must be referring to the private MPS Group called "Refuge," with the following stated purpose: "Freedom of aetheist expression without fear of hysterical reaction. Not to breed prejudice or hate but for discussion and friendship."

According to the Colonel, the members of "Refuge" (members are WebMonkey, kinghelfer, boingo, carrotgirl, nikko2, The Colonel, Winston Smith, aquarius, GayandProud, Sharon den Adel, Who?, snappy120_2) have made the following baseless and false accusation against me behind my back and are too cowardly to identify themselves publicly:


The Colonel wrote:And it is no surprise that a certain idiot has jumped to his defence (myron). In the private section of this site, which WebMonkey leads, and of which I am a member (I do not mean VIP) there has been plenty suggestion (not from me either) that myron and Rebman are one and the same.

I will not name names, since that is the whole point of the private area.


The Colonel claims he is not an accuser.

WebMonkey cannot be an accuser because he is a forum moderator and can easily confirm the falsity of the accusation (I don't use a proxy and my IP address is static).

I can't believe that GayandProud is an accuser because we are friendly and share a close mutual friend outside the forum.

I would be very surprised if you (aquarius) are an accuser because that would mean you were backstabbing me while calling me a Forum Friend and chatting with me.

That leaves the following as the accusers:
    kinghelfer
    boingo
    carrotgirl
    nikko2
    Winston Smith
    Sharon den Adel
    Who?
    snappy120_2
So these paragons of morality and integrity spend their time making baseless and false accusations against me behind my back and they call it "aetheist expression . . . not to breed prejudice or hate but for discussion and friendship."

Why am I not surprised?

I'm sure that I am not the only member they talk about unkindly.

Such lovely, principled people . . . take a bow . . . :clap:


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So you are "currently blocking" me, eh?

You can't stop lying, can you? :lol:
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Postby The Colonel » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:16 pm

I can guess what you said there.

Take a shower you smelly git.

It is so nice having you blocked. :lol:

I can just type things such as DIRTY EVIL SMEGMA FACE and not have to listen to the response . . .
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Postby H. Franklin Layne » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:16 pm

Boingo, Zia do you want to know why Moore's films are so good? Because they are getting you talking about the issue(s) like adults. No arguments, no flaming, just proper discussion. Every film has one thing in common, the director's point of view. A director is trying to make a statement in his/her work. You may not agree with his points, but you are talking about it.

It's like the old saying, "there's no such thing as bad press as long as they spell your name right!"

:lol: :wink:
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Postby ZiaAries » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:28 pm

Ivan Diederhoff wrote:Boingo, Zia do you want to know why Moore's films are so good? Because they are getting you talking about the issue(s) like adults. No arguments, no flaming, just proper discussion. Every film has one thing in common, the director's point of view. A director is trying to make a statement in his/her work. You may not agree with his points, but you are talking about it.

It's like the old saying, "there's no such thing as bad press as long as they spell your name right!"

:lol: :wink:


Oh be cool Vito Corleone. Michael Moore is pisello porco! :piggy:
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Postby boingo » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:45 am

Ivan Diederhoff wrote:Boingo, Zia do you want to know why Moore's films are so good? Because they are getting you talking about the issue(s) like adults. No arguments, no flaming, just proper discussion. Every film has one thing in common, the director's point of view. A director is trying to make a statement in his/her work. You may not agree with his points, but you are talking about it.

It's like the old saying, "there's no such thing as bad press as long as they spell your name right!"

:lol: :wink:

That's the part I do like about them. :)
Unfortunately there are people who hear the word "Documentary" and take everything said in it literally. :?
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