US Army's recruitment techniques targeting children

[myron myron]

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[The Colonel]

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Smegma

[azraelle]

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That's priceless!!

[azraelle]

A few random thoughts:

Britain COULDN'T have cracked the initial Enigma machine code, had not the POLISH spirited out of Germany the parts to a complete machine during the short-lived simultaneous German and Soviet invasion of Poland.

In the years prior to World War II, US Army Officers rarely were promoted rapidly. "Up or Out" didn't exist--it was not unheard of for a 2nd Lt to remain a 2nd Lt for his entire army career until retirement. Calling Ike an idiot, or a clerk, for having made Major, and then staying one for 16 years is irresponsible and ignores the historical realities of being an Officer in the US Army prior to 1941. He proved himself a VERY ABLE ADMINISTRATOR, able to keep vying factions working together for a common cause, without killing each other in the process. THAT is what got him the job of SHAEF Commander. So what if he never planned a battle, or commanded troops!! We'd all be speaking German had Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, KG, GCB, DSO, PC, yada yada, queen of all prima donnas, been put in charge of SHAEF.

[The Colonel]

A few random thoughts:

Britain COULDN'T have cracked the initial Enigma machine code, had not the POLISH spirited out of Germany the parts to a complete machine during the short-lived simultaneous German and Soviet invasion of Poland.

Incorrect.

The first computer was developed by Alan Turing, and that broke the German codes. (And it so happens that he was actually gay).

The Engima machine was actually captured from a German U-Boat that had been forced to surface by BRITISH destroyers.

The codes were almost broken by that point, but this helped speed it up.

Your history is incorrect.

In the years prior to World War II, US Army Officers rarely were promoted rapidly. "Up or Out" didn't exist--it was not unheard of for a 2nd Lt to remain a 2nd Lt for his entire army career until retirement. Calling Ike an idiot, or a clerk, for having made Major, and then staying one for 16 years is irresponsible and ignores the historical realities of being an Officer in the US Army prior to 1941.

Nothing worth responding to here

He proved himself a VERY ABLE ADMINISTRATOR,

Indeed! A clerk!

able to keep vying factions working together for a common cause, without killing each other in the process. THAT is what got him the job of SHAEF Commander.

Actually, because the US like to think they are in charge.

So what if he never planned a battle, or commanded troops!!

He was a 5 star General of the US Army - do you not see the irony of your statment? Generals do not make cups of tea - they plan, invade and command.

We'd all be speaking German had Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, KG, GCB, DSO, PC, yada yada, queen of all prima donnas, been put in charge of SHAEF.

Totally incorrect.

It was Montgomery and Churchill who together planned D-Day. No-one else. It was done at Wilton House, not too far from where I live.

Montgomery was the finest commander in the European war.

[myron myron]

Montgomery was a paedophile.

[The Colonel]

Montgomery was a paedophile.

You seem to have a habit of calling people that.

[myron myron]

Montgomery was a paedophile.

You seem to have a habit of calling people that.

How so? Who else did I call that?

You, on the other hand, do have an abundantly evidenced habit of calling members of this forum false and defamatory names and of calling Americans -- individually and collectively, living and dead -- all manner of derisive names devoid of basis in fact.

And you also have a habit of whinging like a spoiled little child when anyone else does to you or to your heroes even one time what you do habitually to others.

[The Colonel]

Montgomery was a paedophile.

You seem to have a habit of calling people that.

How so? Who else did I call that?

You, on the other hand, do have an abundantly evidenced habit of calling members of this forum false and defamatory names and of calling Americans -- individually and collectively, living and dead -- all manner of derisive names devoid of basis in fact.

And you also have a habit of whinging like a spoiled little child when anyone else does to you or to your heroes even one time what you do habitually to others.

SMEGMA!

[azraelle]

A few random thoughts:

Britain COULDN'T have cracked the initial Enigma machine code, had not the POLISH spirited out of Germany the parts to a complete machine during the short-lived simultaneous German and Soviet invasion of Poland.

Incorrect.

The first computer was developed by Alan Turing, and that broke the German codes. (And it so happens that he was actually gay).

The Engima machine was actually captured from a German U-Boat that had been forced to surface by BRITISH destroyers.

The codes were almost broken by that point, but this helped speed it up.

Your history is incorrect.

As usual, you demonstrate your "royal blooded" arrogance by rewriting history:

From Wikipedia:

In February 1933, the Polish Cipher Bureau ordered "doubles" of the military Enigma machine from the AVA Radio Manufacturing Company, in Warsaw. By 1934, fifteen "made-in-Poland" Enigmas with plugboard had been delivered. Ultimately about seventy such units would be produced.

In 1939, two Enigma doubles were sent to Paris and London. Until then, German military Enigma traffic had utterly defeated the British and French, and they had faced the disturbing prospect that German communications would remain "black" to them for the duration of the coming war.

For more information go here, Here, and HERE.

Although not denigrating Alan Turing's contributions to computing, small though they may be (commercial development of the computer was done by the Americans, not the British), the FIRST electro-mechanical device built for the purpose of cracking the enigma cipher machine was built by, you guessed it, the POLES in 1938--the Bomba kryptologiczna (cryptological bomb).

In the years prior to World War II, US Army Officers rarely were promoted rapidly. "Up or Out" didn't exist--it was not unheard of for a 2nd Lt to remain a 2nd Lt for his entire army career until retirement. Calling Ike an idiot, or a clerk, for having made Major, and then staying one for 16 years is irresponsible and ignores the historical realities of being an Officer in the US Army prior to 1941.

Nothing worth responding to here

He proved himself a VERY ABLE ADMINISTRATOR,

Indeed! A clerk!

able to keep vying factions working together for a common cause, without killing each other in the process. THAT is what got him the job of SHAEF Commander.

Actually, because the US like to think they are in charge.

So what if he never planned a battle, or commanded troops!!

He was a 5 star General of the US Army - do you not see the irony of your statment? Generals do not make cups of tea - they plan, invade and command.

We'd all be speaking German had Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, KG, GCB, DSO, PC, yada yada, queen of all prima donnas, been put in charge of SHAEF.

Totally incorrect.

It was Montgomery and Churchill who together planned D-Day. No-one else. It was done at Wilton House, not too far from where I live.

Montgomery was the finest commander in the European war.

[azraelle]

A few random thoughts:

Britain COULDN'T have cracked the initial Enigma machine code, had not the POLISH spirited out of Germany the parts to a complete machine during the short-lived simultaneous German and Soviet invasion of Poland.

Incorrect.

The first computer was developed by Alan Turing, and that broke the German codes. (And it so happens that he was actually gay).

The Engima machine was actually captured from a German U-Boat that had been forced to surface by BRITISH destroyers.

The codes were almost broken by that point, but this helped speed it up.

Your history is incorrect.

As usual, you demonstrate your "royal blooded" arrogance by rewriting history to suit your myopic view of the world:

From Wikipedia:

In February 1933, the Polish Cipher Bureau ordered "doubles" of the military Enigma machine from the AVA Radio Manufacturing Company, in Warsaw. By 1934, fifteen "made-in-Poland" Enigmas with plugboard had been delivered. Ultimately about seventy such units would be produced.

In 1939, two Enigma doubles were sent to Paris and London. Until then, German military Enigma traffic had utterly defeated the British and French, and they had faced the disturbing prospect that German communications would remain "black" to them for the duration of the coming war.

For more information go here, Here, and HERE.

Although not denigrating Alan Turing's contributions to computing, small though they may be (The existence of the "Bombe", and Alan Turing's involvement with the code-breaking activities of Bletchley Park was buried in Top Secret files until ~1975--well after the commercial development of the computer--which was carried out by American companies and individuals, not the British), the FIRST electro-mechanical device built for the purpose of cracking the enigma cipher machine was built by, you guessed it, the POLES in 1938--the Bomba kryptologiczna (cryptological bomb).

In the years prior to World War II, US Army Officers rarely were promoted rapidly. "Up or Out" didn't exist--it was not unheard of for a 2nd Lt to remain a 2nd Lt for his entire army career until retirement. Calling Ike an idiot, or a clerk, for having made Major, and then staying one for 16 years is irresponsible and ignores the historical realities of being an Officer in the US Army prior to 1941.

Nothing worth responding to here

He proved himself a VERY ABLE ADMINISTRATOR,

Indeed! A clerk!

able to keep vying factions working together for a common cause, without killing each other in the process. THAT is what got him the job of SHAEF Commander.

Actually, because the US like to think they are in charge.

So what if he never planned a battle, or commanded troops!!

He was a 5 star General of the US Army - do you not see the irony of your statment? Generals do not make cups of tea - they plan, invade and command.

We'd all be speaking German had Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, KG, GCB, DSO, PC, yada yada, queen of all prima donnas, been put in charge of SHAEF.

Totally incorrect.

It was Montgomery and Churchill who together planned D-Day. No-one else. It was done at Wilton House, not too far from where I live.

Montgomery was the finest commander in the European war.

[The Colonel]

A few random thoughts:

Britain COULDN'T have cracked the initial Enigma machine code, had not the POLISH spirited out of Germany the parts to a complete machine during the short-lived simultaneous German and Soviet invasion of Poland.

Incorrect.

The first computer was developed by Alan Turing, and that broke the German codes. (And it so happens that he was actually gay).

The Engima machine was actually captured from a German U-Boat that had been forced to surface by BRITISH destroyers.

The codes were almost broken by that point, but this helped speed it up.

Your history is incorrect.

As usual, you demonstrate your "royal blooded" arrogance by rewriting history:

From Wikipedia:

In February 1933, the Polish Cipher Bureau ordered "doubles" of the military Enigma machine from the AVA Radio Manufacturing Company, in Warsaw. By 1934, fifteen "made-in-Poland" Enigmas with plugboard had been delivered. Ultimately about seventy such units would be produced.

In 1939, two Enigma doubles were sent to Paris and London. Until then, German military Enigma traffic had utterly defeated the British and French, and they had faced the disturbing prospect that German communications would remain "black" to them for the duration of the coming war.

For more information go here, Here, and HERE.

Although not denigrating Alan Turing's contributions to computing, small though they may be (commercial development of the computer was done by the Americans, not the British), the FIRST electro-mechanical device built for the purpose of cracking the enigma cipher machine was built by, you guessed it, the POLES in 1938--the Bomba kryptologiczna (cryptological bomb).

In the years prior to World War II, US Army Officers rarely were promoted rapidly. "Up or Out" didn't exist--it was not unheard of for a 2nd Lt to remain a 2nd Lt for his entire army career until retirement. Calling Ike an idiot, or a clerk, for having made Major, and then staying one for 16 years is irresponsible and ignores the historical realities of being an Officer in the US Army prior to 1941.

Nothing worth responding to here

He proved himself a VERY ABLE ADMINISTRATOR,

Indeed! A clerk!

able to keep vying factions working together for a common cause, without killing each other in the process. THAT is what got him the job of SHAEF Commander.

Actually, because the US like to think they are in charge.

So what if he never planned a battle, or commanded troops!!

He was a 5 star General of the US Army - do you not see the irony of your statment? Generals do not make cups of tea - they plan, invade and command.

We'd all be speaking German had Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, KG, GCB, DSO, PC, yada yada, queen of all prima donnas, been put in charge of SHAEF.

Totally incorrect.

It was Montgomery and Churchill who together planned D-Day. No-one else. It was done at Wilton House, not too far from where I live.

Montgomery was the finest commander in the European war.

Absolute rubbish.

If Britain had an Enigma machine in 1939 then we wouldn't have spent the first few years of the war searching for one!!!!

What a fool.

[ZiaAries]

Hey Azraelle and The Colonel, The red and blue text gets confusing as who is saying what. Just wanted to let you know in case you want to make it easier for the reader, me being one of the readers.


To Colonel, You are rewriting history a bit here, aren't ya.

[The Colonel]

Hey Azraelle and The Colonel, The red and blue text gets confusing as who is saying what. Just wanted to let you know in case you want to make it easier for the reader, me being one of the readers.


To Colonel, You are rewriting history a bit here, aren't ya.

No, I'm not actually Zia.

We captured an Enigma from a U-Boat.

[azraelle]

Absolute rubbish.

If Britain had an Enigma machine in 1939 then we wouldn't have spent the first few years of the war searching for one!!!!

What a fool.
.............
We captured an Enigma from a U-Boat.

Who is the bigger fool--me, for posting a slightly inaccurate account of how the POLISH were able obtain a complete Enigma cipher machine to deliver to the British in 1939, or YOU, Colonel, who flatly refuse to check the historical facts, or even look up and educate yourself from the links I posted (e.g. "Don't confuse me with the facts--my mind is already made up!")?

Factually, the Polish were reading German military traffic for 6-1/2 years, before they shared the secrets with the British and the French.

Factually, the German Naval Enigma differed from those that the rest of the German military was using, and therefore the existing procedures developed by the Poles did not work on the naval ciphers--so yes, the capture of a naval Enigma by the HMS Bulldog in 1941 did help a great deal, but only in the deciphering of NAVAL CIPHERS.

To quote from Wikipedia:

The machine has gained notoriety because Allied cryptologists were able to decrypt a large number of messages that had been enciphered on the machine. Decryption was made possible in 1932 by Polish cryptographers Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski from Cipher Bureau. In mid-1939 reconstruction and decryption methods were delivered from Poland to Britain and France. The intelligence gained through this source, codenamed ULTRA, was a significant aid to the Allied war effort. The exact influence of ULTRA is debated, but a typical assessment is that the end of the European war was hastened by two years because of the decryption of German ciphers.

And again, from the same ARTICLE:

Jonathan Mostow's 2000 film U-571 describes a fictional patrol by American submariners who have hijacked a German submarine to obtain an Enigma machine. The machine used in the film was an authentic Enigma obtained from a collector. The historical liberties taken are large, for the Polish breaks into Enigma (beginning in December 1932) did not require a captured machine, the Royal Navy captured several Enigmas or parts before the U.S. entered the war, and the U.S. capture of a U-boat occurred only days before D-Day in 1944. The film caused considerable protests when it was released in Britain, since it effectively transferred the exploits of the real life HMS Bulldog to a fictional American boat.