Babysitter giving bath

[Guest]

well, I have been babysitting since I was 9 years old

That is what i was referring too.

If that's what you were referring to when you said "in most countries i can think of that is illegal," kindly name the countries you can "think of" where it is illegal and cite the specific laws making it illegal . . . or admit you just made it up and threw it out there hoping it would stick without anyone challenging you to prove your statement.

How about you prove me wrong. In my own country it is illegal for any child to be left unattended for an extended period of time. The age limits for this is 12. So if a child cannot be left by him/herself then it would violate this law to babysit, as the definition of babysitting is to be responsable for a child.

I don't care if people try and challenge me dude. By a couple countries, i know of only one...my own. If you wish proof get it yourself, i am tired of people saying prove it, then when i play that card they say you can't prove me otherwise.

The way it works in the adult world is that the person who makes the statement has to come up with the proof, especially if the statement is obviously bullshit.

At least you admit you were bullshitting.

No need to get defensive.

Own your bullshit.

[Kalith]

well, I have been babysitting since I was 9 years old

That is what i was referring too.

If that's what you were referring to when you said "in most countries i can think of that is illegal," kindly name the countries you can "think of" where it is illegal and cite the specific laws making it illegal . . . or admit you just made it up and threw it out there hoping it would stick without anyone challenging you to prove your statement.

How about you prove me wrong. In my own country it is illegal for any child to be left unattended for an extended period of time. The age limits for this is 12. So if a child cannot be left by him/herself then it would violate this law to babysit, as the definition of babysitting is to be responsable for a child.

I don't care if people try and challenge me dude. By a couple countries, i know of only one...my own. If you wish proof get it yourself, i am tired of people saying prove it, then when i play that card they say you can't prove me otherwise.

The way it works in the adult world is that the person who makes the statement has to come up with the proof, especially if the statement is obviously bullshit.

At least you admit you were bullshitting.

No need to get defensive.

Own your bullshit.

Well if you want to look at it that way, you made the statement that i was saying bullshit. Furthermore mine is more reasonable to believe, in a world of grey areas and loop holes, i can win without a single fact being brought forth.

If you want i can give you a link to the supreme court of canada's ruling, but i had to read through hours of pointless laws and regulations to find this, if you truly want to prove me wrong, then post portion "g" of the manitoba [1999] ruling on child negelection. It came up in the family law section...the article it self was only a dozen pages long....have fun.

[Guest]

Lol! I asked my 8 year old niece last night what she would think if her mom told her babysitter to help her with her bath. She was pretty horrified to think that anyone her age couldn't wash themselves. Watching her reaction to such a stupid question was pretty funny actually.

[Harriett]

I'm not sure why we are worrying about the specific age the child is too old to be bathed. I don't think you can apply a limit on the age on bathing child based soley on age. Children mature both mentally and physically at different rates. The person above said that their daughter was horrified by the idea of getting assistance from the babysitter during a bath at age 8. Personally, I stopped giving my daughter a bath when she was 7 years old because she was physically able to bath herself. Let a child bathe themselves when they are capable, not doing so creates dependance, and hinders their mental growth. An idea for some of you who may not fully want to let your child go it alone might be something similar to what I did. Though Kaci was physically cabable of bathing herself, in my view, she was not mentally. Until she was 9-10 I would stay with or check in on her bath, and that gave me the assurance she was doing fine. Many of the parents I talk to have a similar strategy, but again, I've heard parents stopping from age 4 to 11. Hope this might help this debate.

-Harriett

[Guest]

well, I have been babysitting since I was 9 years old

That is what i was referring too.

If that's what you were referring to when you said "in most countries i can think of that is illegal," kindly name the countries you can "think of" where it is illegal and cite the specific laws making it illegal . . . or admit you just made it up and threw it out there hoping it would stick without anyone challenging you to prove your statement.

How about you prove me wrong. In my own country it is illegal for any child to be left unattended for an extended period of time. The age limits for this is 12. So if a child cannot be left by him/herself then it would violate this law to babysit, as the definition of babysitting is to be responsable for a child.

I don't care if people try and challenge me dude. By a couple countries, i know of only one...my own. If you wish proof get it yourself, i am tired of people saying prove it, then when i play that card they say you can't prove me otherwise.

The way it works in the adult world is that the person who makes the statement has to come up with the proof, especially if the statement is obviously bullshit.

At least you admit you were bullshitting.

No need to get defensive.

Own your bullshit.

Well if you want to look at it that way, you made the statement that i was saying bullshit. Furthermore mine is more reasonable to believe, in a world of grey areas and loop holes, i can win without a single fact being brought forth.

If you want i can give you a link to the supreme court of canada's ruling, but i had to read through hours of pointless laws and regulations to find this, if you truly want to prove me wrong, then post portion "g" of the manitoba [1999] ruling on child negelection. It came up in the family law section...the article it self was only a dozen pages long....have fun.

A sign of maturity is being able to admit when one is wrong.

You are still an immauture little canuck boy.

[Kalith]

well, I have been babysitting since I was 9 years old

That is what i was referring too.

If that's what you were referring to when you said "in most countries i can think of that is illegal," kindly name the countries you can "think of" where it is illegal and cite the specific laws making it illegal . . . or admit you just made it up and threw it out there hoping it would stick without anyone challenging you to prove your statement.

How about you prove me wrong. In my own country it is illegal for any child to be left unattended for an extended period of time. The age limits for this is 12. So if a child cannot be left by him/herself then it would violate this law to babysit, as the definition of babysitting is to be responsable for a child.

I don't care if people try and challenge me dude. By a couple countries, i know of only one...my own. If you wish proof get it yourself, i am tired of people saying prove it, then when i play that card they say you can't prove me otherwise.

The way it works in the adult world is that the person who makes the statement has to come up with the proof, especially if the statement is obviously bullshit.

At least you admit you were bullshitting.

No need to get defensive.

Own your bullshit.

Well if you want to look at it that way, you made the statement that i was saying bullshit. Furthermore mine is more reasonable to believe, in a world of grey areas and loop holes, i can win without a single fact being brought forth.

If you want i can give you a link to the supreme court of canada's ruling, but i had to read through hours of pointless laws and regulations to find this, if you truly want to prove me wrong, then post portion "g" of the manitoba [1999] ruling on child negelection. It came up in the family law section...the article it self was only a dozen pages long....have fun.

A sign of maturity is being able to admit when one is wrong.

You are still an immauture little canuck boy.

Sp ur saying you can't do it? You don't want to prove me wrong? You don't want to take the time and do the research? You know, that is why i challenged you, you are like most others on this site, gonna blow me off as some youngster ignoring my CORRECT point. Then to further it you call me immature in an effort to keep your pride in not having anything more to say. Have fun losing to someone half your age.

[Kalith]

I'm not sure why we are worrying about the specific age the child is too old to be bathed. I don't think you can apply a limit on the age on bathing child based soley on age. Children mature both mentally and physically at different rates. The person above said that their daughter was horrified by the idea of getting assistance from the babysitter during a bath at age 8. Personally, I stopped giving my daughter a bath when she was 7 years old because she was physically able to bath herself. Let a child bathe themselves when they are capable, not doing so creates dependance, and hinders their mental growth. An idea for some of you who may not fully want to let your child go it alone might be something similar to what I did. Though Kaci was physically cabable of bathing herself, in my view, she was not mentally. Until she was 9-10 I would stay with or check in on her bath, and that gave me the assurance she was doing fine. Many of the parents I talk to have a similar strategy, but again, I've heard parents stopping from age 4 to 11. Hope this might help this debate.

-Harriett

Well i agree with you, but the point of the discussion is wether or not it is appropriete to have a babysitter who is a minor bathe a child, or more specifically a 14 year old GIRL, babysit a 12 year old BOY. Of course we have our nice lil guest buddy here spamming S*** bout me.

I stand behind you that a child will deffer and it is up for the parent to make the decision, but it should be common sense for a 14 year old not to bathe a 12 year old. It may not be a law, but it should be a judgement call. I mean i know as a 12 year old[and many of my friends i have now asked] would trash around in resentment until the sitter left. And it isn't only a matter of the sitter being mature enough to deal with it, but the child as well. A boy just hitting puperty and become very self concious having a slightly older girl see your unexposed body? Comon...

[Guest]

You made the assertion, so you must prove your assertion is true.

Simple logic teaches that it is impossible to disprove a falsehood or to prove a negative.

Listen and learn, litte canuck boy.

[Guest]

well, I have been babysitting since I was 9 years old

That is what i was referring too.

If that's what you were referring to when you said "in most countries i can think of that is illegal," kindly name the countries you can "think of" where it is illegal and cite the specific laws making it illegal . . . or admit you just made it up and threw it out there hoping it would stick without anyone challenging you to prove your statement.

How about you prove me wrong. In my own country it is illegal for any child to be left unattended for an extended period of time. The age limits for this is 12. So if a child cannot be left by him/herself then it would violate this law to babysit, as the definition of babysitting is to be responsable for a child.

I don't care if people try and challenge me dude. By a couple countries, i know of only one...my own. If you wish proof get it yourself, i am tired of people saying prove it, then when i play that card they say you can't prove me otherwise.

The way it works in the adult world is that the person who makes the statement has to come up with the proof, especially if the statement is obviously bullshit.

At least you admit you were bullshitting.

No need to get defensive.

Own your bullshit.

Well if you want to look at it that way, you made the statement that i was saying bullshit. Furthermore mine is more reasonable to believe, in a world of grey areas and loop holes, i can win without a single fact being brought forth.

If you want i can give you a link to the supreme court of canada's ruling, but i had to read through hours of pointless laws and regulations to find this, if you truly want to prove me wrong, then post portion "g" of the manitoba [1999] ruling on child negelection. It came up in the family law section...the article it self was only a dozen pages long....have fun.

A sign of maturity is being able to admit when one is wrong.

You are still an immauture little canuck boy.

Sp ur saying you can't do it? You don't want to prove me wrong? You don't want to take the time and do the research? You know, that is why i challenged you, you are like most others on this site, gonna blow me off as some youngster ignoring my CORRECT point. Then to further it you call me immature in an effort to keep your pride in not having anything more to say. Have fun losing to someone half your age.

You made the assertion, so you must prove your assertion is true.

Simple logic teaches that it is impossible to disprove a falsehood or to prove a negative.

Listen and learn, litte canuck boy.

[Guest]

I don't know, I've always heard that girls were much more mature than boys. As for a fourteen year old girl bathing a twelve year old boy, that may be a little too close. I think that at least a three year age difference is needed to ensure the saftey for your son. I babysat while I was in High School and college to earn some extra money, and many of the parents were perfectly fine with telling me to bathe their child. The smallest age difference between me and the child I babysat was when I was in tenth grade and I watched a teachers daughter who was ten. I never actually had to bathe her, I just had to sit in there with her, and carry on small talk with her. By age six a kid should be able to bathe themselves, just like they should be able to wipe themselves.

[Kalith]

I don't know, I've always heard that girls were much more mature than boys. As for a fourteen year old girl bathing a twelve year old boy, that may be a little too close. I think that at least a three year age difference is needed to ensure the saftey for your son. I babysat while I was in High School and college to earn some extra money, and many of the parents were perfectly fine with telling me to bathe their child. The smallest age difference between me and the child I babysat was when I was in tenth grade and I watched a teachers daughter who was ten. I never actually had to bathe her, I just had to sit in there with her, and carry on small talk with her. By age six a kid should be able to bathe themselves, just like they should be able to wipe themselves.

While it is true girls tend to mature faster, not more only faster. That is a huge generalisation, one i think is very unfair. And in a world where women fight for equality, i think the same standards should be applied to both genders. A three year age difference isn't that much, i mean think of a thirteen year old bathing a ten year old.

Either way this shouldn't even be the issue, the issue should be why the hell can't this kid wash himself.

And to poster i am argueing about, i gave proof, i gave an article. In a normal debate it would be your job to scout it out and disprove it. At the moment, my data has been credited.

[Guest]

I don't know, I've always heard that girls were much more mature than boys. As for a fourteen year old girl bathing a twelve year old boy, that may be a little too close. I think that at least a three year age difference is needed to ensure the saftey for your son. I babysat while I was in High School and college to earn some extra money, and many of the parents were perfectly fine with telling me to bathe their child. The smallest age difference between me and the child I babysat was when I was in tenth grade and I watched a teachers daughter who was ten. I never actually had to bathe her, I just had to sit in there with her, and carry on small talk with her. By age six a kid should be able to bathe themselves, just like they should be able to wipe themselves.

While it is true girls tend to mature faster, not more only faster. That is a huge generalisation, one i think is very unfair. And in a world where women fight for equality, i think the same standards should be applied to both genders. A three year age difference isn't that much, i mean think of a thirteen year old bathing a ten year old.

Either way this shouldn't even be the issue, the issue should be why the hell can't this kid wash himself.

And to poster i am argueing about, i gave proof, i gave an article. In a normal debate it would be your job to scout it out and disprove it. At the moment, my data has been credited.

Ever been to a horse race?

[MelissaR]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. CarolinaMom, the 15yo is your usual babysitter you know her so she should give him his bath. Boys really dont know how to wash. They can be dirty little grubs. When I first went baby sitting mummy would go with me at the start and watched me bath all ages showing me how to wash properly. I soon got used to it and I babysat on my own then. Bathing boys up to 12 or so was just part of babysitting, even showing them how to wash their foreskins properly. I never told anyome about my babysitting cos its none of their business. I guess living in the country is different.

Hi MillyMM

I'm probably one of the few guys who've registered but I wanted to add my input on this topic so you could get it from the boy's perspective.

I agree with very much what you've said. You may have read my earlier posts on the subject to see that I'm a guy and I was bathed by an 18 y.o. babysitter when I was 12. Also Mum bathed me from time to time until I was 13. Both of which was no big deal - afterall I needed to be bathed as I wasn't particularly thorough myself and - like most boys - i got sweaty and dirty. Also Mum and my sister saw me naked a lot right up to my late teens so nudity was never an issue. One thing I will say is that a 15 y.o. girl is maybe a little too young to bathe a 12 y.o. as he could be embarrassed as the girl is still at school herself but a girl over 16 and at college would be fine. I'm not sure about a female babysitter showing how to wash their boy's foreskins though - this didn't happen with me as Claire (my babysitter) just washed me around that general area with a washcloth.

Did you have a dummy aswell and got given a bottle to drink warm milk when you went to bed.

[Guest]

I'm 19 and I thank my parents for the common sense for this subject to have never had to come up.

[AnnaKay]

To make my statement clear just so nobody gets the wrong idea, I want to protect my sons modesty as much as posible. My problem is that he doesn't wash himself very well, and can't figure a way to solve this problem. He has to have a babysitter, but he doesn't want to be seen in that state of undress to get his bath. I used to bathe him about two weeks ago, but now I have to work 3rd. I don't believe he has started puberty yet. The 15 year old babysitter is the best deal for me, she lives closer to the house and she charges a lower rate. She's very responsible, and I'm sure that she will keep anything she sees confidential and will not tell her friends. Which babysitter do you think is best for protection of my son's modesty?

Any ideas?

What about a shower? Probably easier and if it is "personal" hygene you are concerned about then I've never met a man who wasn't keen to clean his equipment in the shower.