Babysitter giving bath

[Michelle R.]

Michelle R, you're a sexist pig saying, "girls should get privacy and boys should not." The fact may be that girls on average usually mature faster than boys but that's besides the point. Regardless of how well or poorly boys wash, their privacy should be respected just as much as girls privacy. I think you ought to get a grip on life and put yourself in someone else's shoes and think about how you would feel in that case. There might be some boys who would rather stay dirty than let a girl give them a bath. From what you said, you obviously don't understand the phrase, "treat others as you would like to be treated."

Ben - your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You clearly cannot read, or at least comprehend any writing longer than a few words. The way in which you quoted me - that's called taking something out of context. What about what I said at the beginning of the sentence you took the quote from? I said, "I agree that some posters or articles have a bias that". What that means is that I agree that some of the people who have posted on this discussion board and also people whose writing I've read elsewhere (and also MSH's aunt, from what I can tell from his posts) have a bias in favor of girls getting privacy and not boys. THOSE people do. I DIDN'T say "I agree that girls should get privacy and boys shouldn't. In fact, my whole point is that MSH's story is an illustration of something that wasn't right. In that same posting and elsewhere I have always said that even if it is true that girls mature faster than boys (I don't know that it has been scientifically proven or anything, just my personal experience suggests it is true to a degree), every child (boy or girl) matures at their own pace and whenever they are interested in and capable of washing themselves they should be allowed to do so in privacy.

So not only did you insult me, but you did it based on a complete misrepresentation/misunderstanding of what I said. I am not a sexist pig, but you are a stupid a$$.

And your whole suggestion that "there might be some boys who would rather stay dirty than let a girl give them a bath" (see, I quoted you in full) is also stupid. You are saying that if a boy is filthy and cannot clean himself (whether he is 5 or 9 or 12), neither his mother nor an experienced female babysitter should be allowed to wash him if he doesn't like it and he should be allowed to stay dirty because of privacy? And if he only wants candy for dinner, or to play with matches, do we allow that too? Privacy to smoke pot in his room if the door is closed? No. That's where parents' rights (the duty to do what's in the child's best interest) trump whatever privacy the child has (which assumes the child has a problem being helped with his or her bath - and if he/she has a problem, well then he/she should start doing it properly by him/herself), and I would argue a good parent should disregard a child's preference to stay dirty. Maybe you didn't have good parents and stayed dirty yourself - they clearly didn't care enough about you to teach you how to read properly!

[Guest]

Woah now

Are you really comparing a child wanting candy for dinner to a 10 year old not wanting a sitter to BATHE him for a night?

Unless he is REALLY ULTRA DIRTY, it can mostly wait a night until his parents get back. He won't die.

[Guest]

OH and another thing...

all this stuff about how it's education and females get to learn about the male anatomy?

So 14/15 year old boys should bathe 8-10 year old girls (including washing the genitals) so they can learn about female anatomy. (NOTE: I am not saying I believe this is true, I am just showing how ridiculous the argument is!)

[Michelle R.]

All I am saying is a babysitter should do what the parents instruct. It's up to them to determine whether their child needs a bath or not. I've never done anything a parent hasn't told me to do. Sometimes parents tell me their kid doesn't need a bath that day, so that's fine. Some parents seem want their kids to bathe or shower every day to instill good habits - that's their choice, and within their authority to determine. Sometimes I've babysat for a weekend or a long weekend - that would mean a kid not have a bath for 2-3 days?

Again, your concern assumes a lot of boys have problems with this. In my experience this has been rare. When boys (or girls) decide they'd rather do it alone then they start doing things properly, at which point they can be alone. That happens at different ages according to the individual child.

As for your point below, I don't agree with that argument nor have I ever proposed it as a reason for babysitting. I won't deny that the first time I started to do this it was a first for me to see a naked boy and interesting (would be for anyone on their first experience), but I've always acted proper about things and haven't used it as an anatomy lesson or anything. So if you want to disagree with what other people may have said that's fine, but please don't ascribe comments to me that I haven't made.

OH and another thing...

all this stuff about how it's education and females get to learn about the male anatomy?

So 14/15 year old boys should bathe 8-10 year old girls (including washing the genitals) so they can learn about female anatomy. (NOTE: I am not saying I believe this is true, I am just showing how ridiculous the argument is!)

[Michelle R.]

Also, I don't know where you live. Maybe kids where you are just sit and watch TV all day, but where I live a lot of kids (boys and girls) play outside and do sports pretty much on a daily basis. So actually, it wouldn't be uncommon for me to reply to your comment that in any particular instance when I show up for work where the parents haven't had time to give baths themselves that yes, the child is dirty enough that waiting until the next day would be a little on the disgusting side. (Again, assuming the child objected to my presence, which you can see from past postings by me only happened once that I can recall.)

Woah now

Are you really comparing a child wanting candy for dinner to a 10 year old not wanting a sitter to BATHE him for a night?

Unless he is REALLY ULTRA DIRTY, it can mostly wait a night until his parents get back. He won't die.

[The Colonel]

[Guest]

Report, I was not saying anything inappropriate. I was only telling the girls they were being unreasonable and had a double standard.

[Michelle R.]

I don't know which exact posts you are complaining about The Colonel. There were some that seemed pretty extreme while I was away - e.g. MSH. But I'm sorry, parents can choose to raise their children however they want. I agree though about not forcing a child like some of these stories though. Your position seems overstated though.

[Rob...G]

Rob..
What did she say and what did you say when you ejaculated? Do you think that was the first time she saw that happen? Did she ever bathe you again? Did you ever talk to her about it outside of the babysitting circumstances? I must admit that I have been fascinated by these things ever since I was a teenager.

Former babysitter,

Are you still hanging around here?

[Guest]

These guest posts are all by the same person, posting things that potentially could land them on the Sex Offenders Register.

Be aware.

I think these posts are all by the Colonel...he is a perv in disguise

[ben12380]

Michelle R, you're a sexist pig saying, "girls should get privacy and boys should not." The fact may be that girls on average usually mature faster than boys but that's besides the point. Regardless of how well or poorly boys wash, their privacy should be respected just as much as girls privacy. I think you ought to get a grip on life and put yourself in someone else's shoes and think about how you would feel in that case. There might be some boys who would rather stay dirty than let a girl give them a bath. From what you said, you obviously don't understand the phrase, "treat others as you would like to be treated."

Ben - your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You clearly cannot read, or at least comprehend any writing longer than a few words. The way in which you quoted me - that's called taking something out of context. What about what I said at the beginning of the sentence you took the quote from? I said, "I agree that some posters or articles have a bias that". What that means is that I agree that some of the people who have posted on this discussion board and also people whose writing I've read elsewhere (and also MSH's aunt, from what I can tell from his posts) have a bias in favor of girls getting privacy and not boys. THOSE people do. I DIDN'T say "I agree that girls should get privacy and boys shouldn't. In fact, my whole point is that MSH's story is an illustration of something that wasn't right. In that same posting and elsewhere I have always said that even if it is true that girls mature faster than boys (I don't know that it has been scientifically proven or anything, just my personal experience suggests it is true to a degree), every child (boy or girl) matures at their own pace and whenever they are interested in and capable of washing themselves they should be allowed to do so in privacy.

So not only did you insult me, but you did it based on a complete misrepresentation/misunderstanding of what I said. I am not a sexist pig, but you are a stupid a$$.

And your whole suggestion that "there might be some boys who would rather stay dirty than let a girl give them a bath" (see, I quoted you in full) is also stupid. You are saying that if a boy is filthy and cannot clean himself (whether he is 5 or 9 or 12), neither his mother nor an experienced female babysitter should be allowed to wash him if he doesn't like it and he should be allowed to stay dirty because of privacy? And if he only wants candy for dinner, or to play with matches, do we allow that too? Privacy to smoke pot in his room if the door is closed? No. That's where parents' rights (the duty to do what's in the child's best interest) trump whatever privacy the child has (which assumes the child has a problem being helped with his or her bath - and if he/she has a problem, well then he/she should start doing it properly by him/herself), and I would argue a good parent should disregard a child's preference to stay dirty. Maybe you didn't have good parents and stayed dirty yourself - they clearly didn't care enough about you to teach you how to read properly!

Michelle R, to answer what you stated, yes perhaps a boy who is filthy and cannot wash on his own might rather remain that way than let some girl like you invade his privacy. He might be concerned that if you were going to give him his bath, you might also force him to let you give him a blow job as well. Who in their right mind would let some moron like you babysit for their children?

[The Colonel]

[Michelle R.]

Michelle R, to answer what you stated, yes perhaps a boy who is filthy and cannot wash on his own might rather remain that way than let some girl like you invade his privacy. He might be concerned that if you were going to give him his bath, you might also force him to let you give him a blow job as well. Who in their right mind would let some moron like you babysit for their children?

You obviously didn't read my post (or at least understand it) because you did nothing to meaningfully rebut the points I made in it - such as the fact that generally children who need some level of assistance with their baths don't see it as an invasion of their privacy (because of their age or personal level of maturity), and that in any event parents' decisions outweigh the preferences of their children in matters such as these. Whether a child would prefer to remain filthy (what a ridiculous concept - I can appreciate the idea of a child being able to skip a bath for a day if he/she is uncomfortable with a new babysitter and this is a one off babysitting occasion, but not letting a child stay "filthy") is irrelevant if the parents say otherwise - which I think they would do if they were decent parents. (I can't recall a parent ever instructing me, "Yes Billy is absolutely filthy, but please don't wash him, I prefer to let him stay filthy.) By the time privacy becomes a concern for a child (which does not happen at a specific age for all children) they have generally learned how to bathe by themselves and therefore don't need help - and if the unusual scenario comes up where a child who wants privacy is still incapable of bathing themself then that's what I'd call strong motivation to learn quickly.

You didn't make any apology for misquoting me previously. Again, you clearly didn't take the time to read (and comprehend) what I wrote. And the end of your second sentence disgusts me. First of all, I doubt that most of the children I have babysat knew what oral sex was at the ages when I was still helping them bathe, but second, and more importantly, that is just the most inappropriate comment you could add. Based on your irrational writing and paranoia about this topic (passing on your personal concerns about being seen naked by a girl to a broader topic of children having baths) I am guessing you were humiliated or molested in some way as a boy growing up, likely by a girl. If so I am sorry for what happened to you, but that does not make attacking other people right, nor does it make your arguments any more sensical.

To answer your final question, I can't tell you off hand how many parents have hired me to babysit since I first began many years back, but I can tell you that I will be able to pay for a significant portion of my post-secondary education with the money I have saved from it over the years (never spent any of it). I'd give you the numbers and tell you to do the math, but somehow I doubt you would be able to. Some babysitting jobs are periodic or one off (e.g. the parents are going out for dinner), some are regular (e.g. single mother has night shifts once or twice a week) and some are for longer periods (e.g. staying while parents go away for a trip). I have babysat boys and girls. I have given baths to some, supervised baths to others and in other instances never bathed the child (as he or she was already bathing alone by the first time I was hired). I have helped teach some children how to bathe themselves, which led to their preference of doing it alone, while others simply were not interested in bathing themselves for a period before growing out of it and starting to do so. Whatever the age, when the parents felt that they child was capable of bathing alone I no longer got involved - and in at least one instance I remember this was at my suggestion (I was only supervising and the boy didn't seem to care, but he was doing it fine on his own and I could think of better things to do than wait around).

I have read your earlier posts about some girls suggesting that boys mature slower than girls. I agree that this is not correct as a blanket statement. But you need to acknowledge that all children (boys and girls) mature at different ages. Thus the concept of privacy happens at different ages, and it is often very reasonable for a child to be bathed by someone else. And you need to forget this argument that children should be allowed to stay filthy, even in defiance of their parents' wishes. If a child cannot bathe alone then they need assistance, and an experienced babysitter is capable of filling in for a parent upon their request. As there are more female babysitters than males (I have no evidence to cite but will bet money on this), you will have many instances of girls washing boys (although you will also have some instances of boys washing girls). As long as the babysitter is mature/trustworthy and there is a reasonable minimum age difference there is no problem with this.

If you want to disagree then so be it. As for me, I think I'm babysitting twice next week...

[ben12380]

Michelle R, to answer what you stated, yes perhaps a boy who is filthy and cannot wash on his own might rather remain that way than let some girl like you invade his privacy. He might be concerned that if you were going to give him his bath, you might also force him to let you give him a blow job as well. Who in their right mind would let some moron like you babysit for their children?

You obviously didn't read my post (or at least understand it) because you did nothing to meaningfully rebut the points I made in it - such as the fact that generally children who need some level of assistance with their baths don't see it as an invasion of their privacy (because of their age or personal level of maturity), and that in any event parents' decisions outweigh the preferences of their children in matters such as these. Whether a child would prefer to remain filthy (what a ridiculous concept - I can appreciate the idea of a child being able to skip a bath for a day if he/she is uncomfortable with a new babysitter and this is a one off babysitting occasion, but not letting a child stay "filthy") is irrelevant if the parents say otherwise - which I think they would do if they were decent parents. (I can't recall a parent ever instructing me, "Yes Billy is absolutely filthy, but please don't wash him, I prefer to let him stay filthy.) By the time privacy becomes a concern for a child (which does not happen at a specific age for all children) they have generally learned how to bathe by themselves and therefore don't need help - and if the unusual scenario comes up where a child who wants privacy is still incapable of bathing themself then that's what I'd call strong motivation to learn quickly.

You didn't make any apology for misquoting me previously. Again, you clearly didn't take the time to read (and comprehend) what I wrote. And the end of your second sentence disgusts me. First of all, I doubt that most of the children I have babysat knew what oral sex was at the ages when I was still helping them bathe, but second, and more importantly, that is just the most inappropriate comment you could add. Based on your irrational writing and paranoia about this topic (passing on your personal concerns about being seen naked by a girl to a broader topic of children having baths) I am guessing you were humiliated or molested in some way as a boy growing up, likely by a girl. If so I am sorry for what happened to you, but that does not make attacking other people right, nor does it make your arguments any more sensical.

To answer your final question, I can't tell you off hand how many parents have hired me to babysit since I first began many years back, but I can tell you that I will be able to pay for a significant portion of my post-secondary education with the money I have saved from it over the years (never spent any of it). I'd give you the numbers and tell you to do the math, but somehow I doubt you would be able to. Some babysitting jobs are periodic or one off (e.g. the parents are going out for dinner), some are regular (e.g. single mother has night shifts once or twice a week) and some are for longer periods (e.g. staying while parents go away for a trip). I have babysat boys and girls. I have given baths to some, supervised baths to others and in other instances never bathed the child (as he or she was already bathing alone by the first time I was hired). I have helped teach some children how to bathe themselves, which led to their preference of doing it alone, while others simply were not interested in bathing themselves for a period before growing out of it and starting to do so. Whatever the age, when the parents felt that they child was capable of bathing alone I no longer got involved - and in at least one instance I remember this was at my suggestion (I was only supervising and the boy didn't seem to care, but he was doing it fine on his own and I could think of better things to do than wait around).

I have read your earlier posts about some girls suggesting that boys mature slower than girls. I agree that this is not correct as a blanket statement. But you need to acknowledge that all children (boys and girls) mature at different ages. Thus the concept of privacy happens at different ages, and it is often very reasonable for a child to be bathed by someone else. And you need to forget this argument that children should be allowed to stay filthy, even in defiance of their parents' wishes. If a child cannot bathe alone then they need assistance, and an experienced babysitter is capable of filling in for a parent upon their request. As there are more female babysitters than males (I have no evidence to cite but will bet money on this), you will have many instances of girls washing boys (although you will also have some instances of boys washing girls). As long as the babysitter is mature/trustworthy and there is a reasonable minimum age difference there is no problem with this.

If you want to disagree then so be it. As for me, I think I'm babysitting twice next week...

Michelle R,
You sure were very expressive and made some good points. Normally, I would have apologized for misunderstanding what you said and jumping the gun, except you called me a stupid a$$. To answer to what you said about the assumption of me being abused by a girl as a kid, the oldest I was while being bathed by a babysitter was 5 from what I remember and the thought of privacy did not occur to me at that age. My mother stopped giving me baths when I was about 9 years old and at the age of 12 I started living in a group home where I always showered on my own and if any of the staff who worked in the group home ever gave me baths and my mother found out, she would have been very angry. I believe that when a child is filthy it would be better that he/she take a shower than a bath because while taking a bath you're sitting and soaking in dirty water and all the filth would get in the water which wouldn't make them much cleaner. Girls on average mature faster than boys but there are some cases where it's the other way around but that's off topic. What my suggestion is, if the child is filthy and the parents want you to wash him/her and he/she wants privacy, maybe you can let the child attempt to wash on their own and you should check in on them afterwards and if they didn't do a good job, then you should wash them and show them how to do it right to get privacy from future babysitters. I have little experience babysitting and when I have babysat in the past, I have never had to give a child a bath. Good luck with babysitting!!
Ben

[Former babysitter]

Rob..
What did she say and what did you say when you ejaculated? Do you think that was the first time she saw that happen? Did she ever bathe you again? Did you ever talk to her about it outside of the babysitting circumstances? I must admit that I have been fascinated by these things ever since I was a teenager.

Former babysitter,

Are you still hanging around here?

Yes, I still read these posts every few days. Why?