can a man be a feminist?

[Guest]

You say you have five daughters. What happened? Do you and your wife abort a child when it's determined that he is male? Considering how you despise males so much, I wouldn't doubt it. Or did someone systematically drown all of your male children like Andrea Yates did? I'm sure a feminist would find a way to justify that too.

How dare you, guest who lacks the guts to register, suggest he aborted or murdered any son?

Actually, I did register, but intolerant bullies like you decided take care of that situation and that of a lot of other men who don't toe the feminist line. And your pious complaint is quite hypocritical since you posted as Guest as well.

Also, feminists do insist that women have a constitutional or even divine right to abort children, so you shouldn't be scolding me for asking if a woman executed her constitutional right.

People insist that a woman should not be found guilty of methodically killing her five children, one after the other. It's because of some accepted sexist notion that a woman could never do that and that a woman is incapable of taking responsibitity for her own actions. Since they don't think she committed a crime or should be punished equally to a man for the same horrific crime, you shouldn't get pissed off if I ask if somebody drowned this man's children. Considering Goodguy's feelings about other men he may not have a problem with denying life to new members of the "abusive" sex. I simply find it coincidental that this Goodguy thinks so lowly of men but manages to have five daughters.

Where does your anger come from ? What incidents caused you to be this bitter ?

[Guest]

Does being a feminist mean being so biased that you ignore the fact that men love and have higher respect for women than men, and you decide to paint all or most men as being like your allegedly lousy father. Is it possible that you are really like your alleged father, or fear you may be like him, and your slanted view of men is really just a way of denying the fact that you could be worse than most other men? Is your despisement of men a way of convincing yourself that you, as an individual, aren't to blame for your potential treatment of women, but that it's the fault of all men?

Boasting about how men are chauvinists and you are going to train your daughters to discard men like accessories and how you are such an exception, is trying to prove that you are so much better than not only your father, but most men. Your not only trying to prove it to us, your trying to prove it to yourself.

If your father really treated your mother so badly, could it be for a similar reason you think so poorly of most men. Perhaps his mother treated his father badly or abused her sons (most typically from mothers)? If you can justify your hatred of men due to your father's alleged treatment of your mother, then your father could have derived and formed his view of women from close and influential women in his own childhood. Your alleged father was wrong for how he treated his wife, and your wrong for how your treat men, and how you're training another generation to t5reat men. Perhaps, the victims of your daughters will also treat men or their sons badly and color those men's view of women, and you are thereby perpetuating the cycle of hate.

I was just about to lash out at "goodguy" until I read this. This sums it all up for me - well said.

[Guest]

goodguy, sure you could call yourself a male feminist i suppose. either way you are obviously a believer in equal rights, which is great! unfortunately, today the label of being a feminist - sort of has negative connotations. to the masses, a feminist seems to be a - "crazy man-hating lesbian woman" - which is SO wrong.

a feminist is just someone who believes in women's rights - in equal rights. you fall under THAT category of feminism. good for you, we need more rational-minded men like yourself! =) your daughters are very fortunate to have such an understanding father who wants them to be educated and self-sufficient. yay for goodguy. hip hip hooray.

How does someone who obviously hates one side so much really stand for equality? Sounds like he feels women are supreme, men are shits and should be treated as such. I fail to see how this viewpoint has anything to do with equality. Sounds like a distorted freak to me.

[Guest]

I get the feeling the women who support Goodguy here have also been somehow abused by guys in the past or by their fathers and have a distorted view of men in general.

The truth of the matter is that most men are brought up to treat women like they ARE superior to us. We are taught to put our own lives in danger to protect them, we are taught that we should drop them off at the door when raining, park the car and walk to the restaurant in the rain ourselves. We are taught that women have a choice in life - they can work (if they decide to) or they can stay at home and not work and there is nothing wrong with it. Society doesn't frown on them for not working. Men are not given this choice. They are told "you are the provider and MUST work". If you don't then you are not a real man.

Men are taught that in times of war we are to sacrifice our lives for our country (through conscription) while the women stay at home and wait for our return (in the event we don't die). When a couple divorces the woman gets custody of the children 100% of the time regardless of how bad a mother she is or how good a father he is. The father is then often kept from playing any significant part in the child's life, but is expected to send checks to support the child. He is often expected to send checks in the form of alimony to the wife to support her as well - even if their divorce was created by her infidelity. The state automatically views him as nothing more than a "paycheck" while the state automatically views the mother as an important priority in a child's life.

Our society grants women superior status in so many ways and guys are the ones who buy into this without question. A good many of the judges who award custody to the mother instantly are male judges.

Just because there are a minority of abusive men out there they do not represent males in society at large. Some might argue that society actually favors women when it comes to the bigger picture (life/death situations, child custody, lifestyle [stay at home vs. work]).

You'd think Goodguy was brought up under the Taliban the way he speaks so poorly of men and plays his violin for the "poor unequal women" in society.

Living with an abusive husband or boyfriend is the fault of the woman for not leaving immediately. Don't blame us all just because you or your mother decided to subject themselves and their children to abuse and did nothing about it. I blame your mother more than I blame your father. He had a serious problem and should have been arrested and tried for battery. Your mother didn't do that was necessary to protect her kids from him, and so stop hating ALL men because your father was a stupid c***.

[WiredCoffeeJunkie]

It's my opinion that a lot of men (if not most) have no business being in a relationship with a woman.

Surely you don't mean that?

I will teach my daughters to strive for higher education, self reliance and being independant (in need of no man), to have self respect (to love who and what they are).

Excellent. I wish everyone felt that way.

I will teach them that men are just accessories to be discarded if they don't match or measure up. I pity the fool who gets in the way. My gosh! am I a feminist?

You did mean that You're not a feminist. You are a poor sad individual in a crisis.

[goodguy]

I haven't been here in a while. But, Oh my! looks like we stirred up the pot and the scum keeps coming to the surface. Who was it that said " give A MAN enough rope and he will hang himself", or was that A FOOL? Never mind that. On this thread it's "six of one or half a dozen of the other". Thank you, all of you that have supported me.

[goodguy]

Im now off to recieve a good seeing too from my wife's StrapOn

[goodguy]

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Here's to the magot who who thinks nothing of logging on as me and making statements on my behalf. What a loser. I stand by all that I have said to this point. I will save this thread to show my girls that a woman only need to assert herself and a man will show his true colors everytime. In other words, shake things up and the scum will come to the surface everytime. This particular thread on this forum has served to confirm to me that I have been right all along and that I am on the right path to raising my girls. However, since it is possible for some lowlife to also log on as goodguy I will no longer be participating on this thread. Thanks again to those that understand and support me. Ladies, just give 'em plenty of rope, they'll do the rest.

[Guest]

NO sense of humour that guy

[Shagdoll]

wow, do you use yourself as a punchbag? (talking to thread starter, obviously). If you think men shouldn't be in a relationship with women, why are you married?

Or maybe...not every man is a b*****: GASP!

In your way of phrasing, feminists don't exercise equal rights, it's very much one-sided. Therefore, you are a feminist, but not of the sensible variety

[Guest]

I will save this thread to show my girls that a woman only need to assert herself and a man will show his true colors everytime.

This line is too familiar. You just outted yourself. How many guest and registered names to you post under?

Since you are a man, what colors do you show whenever a woman asserts herself to you "Goodguy"? Which woman who asserted herself in this thread did you mean? Could it be you?

If you had sons, what would you teach them about men and about women. How do you teach them to treat other men? Okay, now it's apparent to me that you're probably not really a man, but I am curious to read your answer.

[Guest]

As a young boy I often fantisized of being superman and coming to the rescue of my mother who suffered (in mind, body and spirit) and the hands of my father who was nothing short of a tyrant (it's a very long story) but I said that to say this: As a defender of my mother, brother of three sisters, best friend to my wife, father of five daughters, I just have to say that I despise a chauvinist man, I despise a woman beater, control freaks and playboy wannabe's (womanizer) while on the other hand I also despise the spinless, gutless, the selfish, needy, jealous and insecure man. It's my opinion that a lot of men (if not most) have no business being in a relationship with a woman. I will teach my daughters to strive for higher education, self reliance and being independant (in need of no man), to have self respect (to love who and what they are). I will teach them that men are just accessories to be discarded if they don't match or measure up. I pity the fool who gets in the way. My gosh! am I a feminist?

Feminism is stupid.
Feminism is not about seeking equality, it's sexist in nature.
Feminism puts the blame for wifebeaters on the entire male gender for no good reason.
If some guy beats his wife, it doesn't mean that it is like a "war" of males against females. Don't paint it like that.
Women can be just as nasty as men, and sexist too.
Women can get away with plenty of sexist stuff and no one says a word, because "feminists" only care about male sexism.
Claiming that you are against sexism and then pretending not to notice female sexism is sexist in itself.

[Guest]

I will teach them that men are just accessories to be discarded if they don't match or measure up.

Granted, he worded it a little extremely. I do think what he really meant is he doesn't want his daughters to stay with a man that treats them like garbage. He is teaching them that they don't "need" a man to be complete and happy. That is a healthy attitude. Nothing wrong with being an individual instead of someone who relies on their worth being dependent on someone else's validation.

I think that he meant what he meant, and you and other people are trying to whiten it up.
If he wanted to say "I want to teach my daughters to respect themselves", that is what he would have said.
But he said that they should be cold and unloving and use men as tools.

[Guest]

As a young boy I often fantisized of being superman and coming to the rescue of my mother who suffered (in mind, body and spirit) and the hands of my father who was nothing short of a tyrant (it's a very long story) but I said that to say this: As a defender of my mother, brother of three sisters, best friend to my wife, father of five daughters, I just have to say that I despise a chauvinist man, I despise a woman beater, control freaks and playboy wannabe's (womanizer) while on the other hand I also despise the spinless, gutless, the selfish, needy, jealous and insecure man. It's my opinion that a lot of men (if not most) have no business being in a relationship with a woman. I will teach my daughters to strive for higher education, self reliance and being independant (in need of no man), to have self respect (to love who and what they are). I will teach them that men are just accessories to be discarded if they don't match or measure up. I pity the fool who gets in the way. My gosh! am I a feminist?

Feminism is stupid.
Feminism is not about seeking equality, it's sexist in nature.

Feminism in essence means striving for equality. There are male feminists. Please differentiate more because blanket statements are truly ignorant.

[Guest]

quote]
Feminism is stupid.
Feminism is not about seeking equality, it's sexist in nature.[/quote]

Feminism in essence means striving for equality. There are male feminists. Please differentiate more because blanket statements are truly ignorant.

I agree, but it's obvious this man/woman (however much he/she claims to be a man) doesn't know what feminism is.