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[Curvey_Brunette]

1) Yes, I know what cancer is, and that some people are genetically more prone to getting it than others.

http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Aboutcancer/Genetics/Cancergenetics/Cancerandgenes


Most of my family have died from, or contracted, cancer, which,strangely enough, developed in the lungs of the smokers, one of whom now has only one lung.By the way, even tobacco companies admit a link between cancer and cigarettes.

I also know that substances (sometimes combined with something else) can cause cancer.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14219260.300-mystery-virus-linked-to-asbestos-cancer.html

Perhaps, Roy Castle was the victim of passive smoking,as he worked in a bar when he was young.You know neither way.


2) I smoked cannabis for 12 years and developed schizophrenia,which was unknown in my family,and which took a long time to cure (6 months in a Yorkshire hospital and 3 years in the house),very unpleasant and put an end to my university career. There may be a connexion between the drug and the disease or there may not, but you can’t let people have it till it's known one way or he other.

3) I know what goes through my mind and what you say isn’t it. What’s more, when my friends and I have discussed paranoia, your bull was never a mentioned.

I learnt from experiece.Have you?Personally, I think you are full of S***,so:

Keep cannabis illegal and ban tobacco!

This aggressive approach to debate you have isn't going to do you any good so I suggest you spend a moment, take a deep breath and calm down.

You've mentioned you've suffered mental illness in the past. Well, you may not be aware of this but mental illness is like alcoholism you are always recovering and you are never cured.

You mention your "experience" and appear to think that "your experience" is more valid than anyone else's.

Well, there are over 6 billion other people on the planet and not one of them will ever know how you feel because that's unique to you. Just because you've had a bad experience doesn't mean everyone else will.

There are millions of people who smoke weed all over the world who have never been in trouble with the police, have never been so drunk they get the unwanted attention of the police, have never been to Court, in fact, they've never once been in any trouble what so ever.

Many of these people hold down responsible jobs and their cannabis use has never been detected because it's never cause a problem.

Yes, SOME people who smoke die of lung cancer, but not ALL of them. Many life long smokers live to a ripe old age just as many "health freaks" drop down dead for no apparent reason in their early twentie and thirties.

Clearly you don't like smoking be it tobacco or cannabis, so the solution for you is simple, don't associate with smokers then you won't have to put up with it.

You are not in charge, your feelings do not count when it comes to someone else deciding what they want to put into their lungs. If they want to get as a high as a kite then that's their right. You have no more right to dictate to others anymore than they have a right to dictate to you.

Expressing your point of view is good, but it's a wasted effort if that point of view is loaded with aggression.

I have friends who are smokers and none smokers. I don't smoke myself but my husband does. My friends who smoke don't smoke in the car when they're with me because I don't smoke. If we go to their house and they're smokers, he'll light up, if they're not smokers he'll go outside for a cigarette, it's called mutual respect.

So I ask you directly, what harm is done to you personally when someone grows a plant, dries it out and smokes it?

What harm is done to anyone? None at all and that's why I don't object to a few herbs being grown and smoked. I grow herbs in my garden because I like the effect they have on my food, is it any different to someone growing a plant to set fire to it?

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[Curvey_Brunette]

I don’t think my experience is more valid than other people's if they have had that experience. But you haven’t had any of them.

So I've never smoked pot myself?

I don't have friends who smoke pot?

People may smoke fags, live to an old age, but then they develop cancer, and then there is little anyone can do.Your friends may get cancers in their 50's,60's,70's or 80's-cancers the might not have got,had they not smoked.

Many smokers have lived to a rip old age and have died of natural causes. By the same token, yes, many smokers have died of cancer, but none smokers also die of cancer so blaming cancer on smoking is rather like clutching at straws.

It is not a fact that if you smoke then you will die of cancer as you seem to suggest above.

In relation to cannabis:I see my friend suffering from mental difficulties and laziness, both of which are cannabis related,perhaps as cannabis being 'the gateway drug'.

Gateway drug?

Oh!!! You mean the old argument that it'll only lead to harder drugs.

People who take harder drugs do so because they want to, not because they're so stoned they can't make decisions for themselves.

As for your "friends" .... Well, how can I ask this without being offensive? Hmmmmmm, well, did you meet them on the same psychiatric ward as yourself?

Have you never thought that both you and your friends live in more or less the same environment and so its detrimental effects are more evident?

Addressing laziness, well, may I suggest you take a look at your own spelling and formatting in your messages? To suggest your typing style is sloppy would about cover it. And you're not stoned

It's not lazy to lay there and enjoy the effects of a bit of weed, it's called "Chilin out" Personally, on the rare occasions I smoke myself, I like to light candles, have a bit of Pink Floyd in the background and I just relax. I've never disgraced myself because I'm too lazy to go to the bathroom, I haven't set the house on fire and most of all, I've harmed no one.

You can say legalise every drug then,because it's up to the person what he puts in his body.There are many people who take e's and don't get into trouble.What problem is it if someone grows opium poppies and smokes them.

But isn't it their basic right to do that if they want to?

If they're forcing it onto other people, if they're actually making people take the drug by holding them down then they're out of order.

But what someone does in their own time, in their own garden, in their own home can't have an effect on me.

The reason for the aggression is that you are talking through your hat.

So anyone who disagrees with you gets a face full of anger and aggression do they? Ohhhh! You must be very popular.

Anyway ... Bed time for me, I've a hot man waiting.

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[mogadishu]

Many people whom I know started on cannabis and progressed to harder drugs, though rarely as hard as heroin, so cannabis was their gateway drug.

cannabis may not have been the causal factor though. That's like saying baby milk causes alcoholism. agree with ur other points, tho.

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1) If you smoked pot regularly, then you would not talk such simplistic rubbish, e.g. your comment on paranoia.

I have friends who smoke it regularly, my husband doesn't smoke cigarettes.

None suffer any strange references which is a key sign of paranoia.

2) Well, you are the only person in the world who sees no connexion between smoking and cancer. And I am not just talking about dieing of cancer, but developing it, particularly at an old age. My grandmother had lung cancer, but died of old age. Had she lived longer, she might have been in much pain whereabout the doctors could do little owing to her age.

If smoking is such a cause of cancer, why aren't more people dying of cancer and why do non-smokers get cancer?

Smoking MAY be a catalyst, but it's not the only cause of cancer which you appear to be saying.

3) Many people whom I know started on cannabis and progressed to harder drugs, though rarely as hard as heroin, so cannabis was their gateway drug.

Perhaps it was THEIR gateway drug, but the fact remains there are many many cannabis smokers who wouldn't touch hard drugs.

Many years ago I tried LSD, I had a bad trip. I saw rats dripping out of taps and coat hooks came alive and wanted to kill me.

I've never tried it again.

4) No, people whom I have known from school and so forth. Our environments are, were, different- different family types, homes, education establishments etc

Oh dear! You don't get it do you?

If you live in the same area, if you go to the same school and you hang around with people in that remit then your environment is the same.

5) I’m lazy, because I’m arguing with someone who is talking nonsense (in this thread only), or just can’t understand what I say, and therefore I can’t really be bothered with her. Oh, by the way, is not 'manyana' thought, if not said, by many a dope smoker?

No, you're lazy full stop.

Your own arguments are weak and needlessly aggressive.

Just because someone reacts one way to something doesn't automatically mean that all will react the same way.

6) I like Pink Floyd; I’ve seen them 3 times, albeit without Waters, and have all of their LP's. However, Syd Barret (I think) started on cannabis and look where he went. He also died of cancer, but of what type I do not know.

I was, (and I suppose I still am at heart), a "Rock Chic" and I was fortunate enough to go back stage for Sabbath, AC/DC, Magnum, Motor head and a few others, (I never managed Led Zep though much to my dismay though I'm convinced I would have f*cked Robert Plant to death if Id have met him).

Have you any idea of the "drugs & alcohol scene" coupled with "Rock music"?

Coke was in sugar bows, there were always 20 or 30 joints on the go at the same time. Look at Elvis, taking uppers and downers, amphetamines and barbiturates. Look at what it did to him, how young that whole "life style" killed him.

But he never touched blow. I've been a part of that scene and with the exception of 1 instance with LSD I've never taken anything stronger than blow. I was offered it plenty of times, I was encouraged and even nagged to "join in" but I said "No"

It's an easy word to say, 2 letters and a very short sound. Anyone taking hard drugs, (be it they started on weed or not), always had that opportunity to say "no" and mean it as I did.

And don't get telling me weed affects your judgement, DVLA did a drugs study and found that someone on cannabis was LESS likely to have an accident, they drove both appropriately and with care. So the argument you're so stoned you'll try anything is out of the window given the legal marijuana crops in the UK contain around 3 times the amount of TCH than "street weed"

Unless of course you'll argue that someone at DVLA went out and scored a couple of pounds of the stuff?

7) No, it’s not a basic right to grow opium poppies in one's garden: it is against the law. What’s more, many people might take advantage and start producing the drug in larger amounts. Drugs grown in gardens for personal use can not be taxed to pay hospital costs to repair the damage they cause to people's health.

Cannabis has many medicinal benefits.

The harder drugs cause damage to peoples health because they usually do stupid things while off their heads.

It's often reported in the paper, (local and national), that people have been arrested for being prats on harder drugs. Harder drugs are also blamed on criminal activity to feed the habit.

Tell me, with the exception of dealing offenses and growing offenses, have you ever read of someone blaming cannabis for their 'need' to steal? Or that they were so stoned on cannabis they caused a fight?

I haven't. From what I've read cannabis may be a factor in the excuse, but if you read on in these reports, you'll find it's been taken with another drug such as alcohol.

Your argument concerning the cost is laughable. Smokers pour 3 times the amount of money in tax than the amount of money it costs to run the NHS so in effect, every smoker pays his or her own way in the tax they pay on cigarettes.

If people become out of order then they pay the consequences in law and with their health.

No they don't at all!

These days you get a life sentence and it has to be exceptional circumstances for it to mean life. There days life means 8 to 12 years.

People are out of order all over the place, they're mugging, and burgling, and stabbing and fighting and basically being a pain in the arse. Though suppose you'd say all of them are on weed.

If a person murders someone in his garden, the act may not have an effect upon you, but it is still undesirable.

So long as it's not me or anyone I know who's killed what's the difference?

The guy who lives in the farm about 5 miles from me could be a serial killer hacking backpackers bodies into pieces. How's that effect me?

True it's not desirable, but the fact remains it happens. Fred & Rose West, Brady & Hindley, Dennis Nelson to name a few of the more infamous serial killers.

8) No, it isn’t anyone who disagrees with me that receives "a face full of anger", but those who say or imply stupid things. In terms of popularity, I’ve been told, out of the blue, by friends that I am, and I have few enemies, but one can not really know one's popularity.

Popularity and credibility are only important to those who have none.

If someone likes me, that's fine. If they don't like me, that's fine. I'm not going to get all worked up about it either way.

As for saying/implying stupid things, haven't you done just that in implying that smoking causes cancer?

Haven't you also implied that cannabis use always leads to harder drug use?

Yes, but cigarette smokers do dictate their views, when they spark up in front of you in the pub and put smoke into your lungs etc. When smoking is banned in public, the better for everyone. A total ban would be better, and anyone who has lung cancer but is found with cigarette tar in his lungs should receive no treatment from the NHS, if he was under sixteen at the time of the ban.

Smoking IS banned in all public places now. Even designated smokers rooms in offices have had to go and smoking outside on the office fire escape or the back step is also classed as a "public place" and so is banned.

I would have thought you'd have been celebrating that one when the law came into force last month

Any spelling mistakes?

Whereabout instead of "Where about" - It's 2 words not one

Manyana instead of Manana

Other than that, great I actually enjoyed reading your ramblings and ranting.

You get a silver star for that effort, I wonder if you'll go for gold now?

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[Curvey_Brunette]

1) Have you discussed paranoia with them?

Why would I need to given then don't display any signs. Like everyone else they have good moods, bad moods and odd moods where everything is funny.

As far as I can see, (not that I've ever really studied any of them in great depth), none of them display any psychological or psychiatric illness.

2) Smoking is linked to cancer. End of story. Plus, the government bans other substance which cause cancer e.g. asbestos

So a link is an absolute? It's the "only cause" is it?

And you don't get cancer from asbestos, it's asbestosis which is a completely different thing because asbestos does not break down, it's virtually indestructible which is why it has to be specially handled.

3) So it is a gateway drug. And most people whom I know, who are from different backgrounds, who have tried cannabis tried something harder later.

But that doesn't mean EVERYONE will also go on to use harder drugs does it?

And if you look at drug related time, it's either criminal activity to feed the habit or it's dealing/importation charges, though it has to be said that sometimes dickheads go onto the street while loaded.

4) It is you who don’t get it. I was brought up in a Manor house. I have friends from private estates, and council estates. Some went to grammar school, some to private school others went to state school, and university. Some are middle class others working class. Some from nuclear families others from single parent families. Some from town, others from cities. At different periods of my life, I have been in different environments and met people from different environments from me, but some of these people went one to develop mental illness in different environments from me. For example, I developed schizophrenia at university, having attended a state school and lived in a Manor house and a friend attended a religious school and lived on a council estate and developed schizophrenia. Our only mutual environment till recently was on the bus home.

My my aren't you a little social butterfly?

Can't you cope and interrelate to peers and non-peers on a multitude of levels?

I would have thought someone as 'strong' as yourself wouldn't be seeking the acceptance of strangers on the Internet, (RE: You "Not all people here" comment)

I'm incredulous as to your "Manor house" claim, but if there is any truth to that I can nail why you have mental health problems in a heart beat. Not that you'd admit it, I wouldn't expect you to be that self aware.

5) No, my arguments aren’t weak, because there is scientific evidence to back up what I say. You are just too stupid and too arrogant to admit it.

No there isn't.

Did you actually read that BBC piece you posted? According to that "study" they studied 1,000 people born in 1977 over a 25 year period in relation to the effects of cannabis smoking.

Do tell me WHY a 4-year-old would be smoking tobacco let alone weed at that age??

6) Yes, I have been back stage a few times, including Pink Floyd. A friend of mine attended the same school as the manager’s daughter. Met Bruce Dickinson, a non-smoker, at the NEC when he was practicing for a fencing competition, Ozzy who used to run a bar near to me and Dumpy Dunhill.

I think I spent most of my teenage years 'back stage' and before you accuse, yes I was a slut. I don't regret anything and I had a great time doing my own thing.

7) Yes.

So why make such a stupid statement then?

8) WOW

You're only half qualified to be witty.

9) What better than someone who had nothing who was concentrating? Post the article please.

Find it yourself, I'm not going to spoon feed you.

‘So the argument you're so stoned you'll try anything is out of the window’

That wasn’t the argument.

I suspected it was one you might try which is why I shut it down.

10) Yes, and because harder drugs damage your physical and mental health. Speed makes your teeth fall out and causes paranoia.

Anything done to excess will cause you harm.

If I eat 20lb of chocolate every day for the next 3 months I'll be putting a huge strain on all of my organs and it's likely I'll die. That's obvious isn't it?

11) I’ve known people steal for cannabis and people who take e’s never steal a thing.

So you're saying e's are better than cannabis?

Wow! I wonder why nobody has died from excessive cannabis use but plenty have died on a single 'e'?

12) No, it’s your understanding that is laughable. Try reading it again.

Well, unlike you I've never once required psychiatric intervention and I say with good foundation I am a fairly stable and rational person.

13) Important enough for you to mention it.

Actually I reflected it after you picked it up.

14) I am saying smoking is linked to cancer, and you’re the fool if you don’t know it is.

The way you go on about it, smoking is the ONLY cause of cancer. All I'm pointing out is that just because there's a link there's no guarantee you'll get cancer if you smoke. You MAY increase the risks but it's not a certainty.

And you still haven't explained by none-smokers get "smoking related cancer"?

15) No, I said cannabis can and often does.

You're putting across the impression it will.

16) Whereabout is a relative adverb and is now one word.

Is it? Well, I didn't know that. Next thing "h r u" will be a valid set of words making up a question.

17) May be or may be not. It was a word I heard David Allen, Gong, use when I was stoned, which may account for any mistake. Nevertheless, you know what it means.

I can't say I'm sure of the context you use the word given it's a Spanish word:

ma‧ña‧na  /mɑˈnyɑnɑ; Eng. məˈnyɑnə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mah-nyah-nah; Eng. muh-nyah-nuh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Spanish.
–noun
1. tomorrow; the (indefinite) future.
–adverb
2. tomorrow; in the (indefinite) future.

So would you care to clarify?

18) They are only ramblings because you haven’t a clue or dont want to admit thing to yourself.

Ahhh classic insecurity indicators, you don't agree with me therefore you'll try to dominate me into submission.

I do like it when you get all stroppy.

By the way,smoking is not yet banned in pubs,public places.Hey,perhaps that is why they are called 'public houses'.

Tell you what, go out for a lemonade, (I wouldn't advise drinking with meds), and you take a ickle pic of a used ashtray in a UK or Ireland pub. Bet ya can't!

You believe your own fantasy and go and a smoke. If you don’t get cancer good, but if you do, because of smoking, it will be hard luck as you are screaming for someone to take the pain away, and your lungs fill with fluid. You fool!

I don't smoke!

I said I occasionally smoke a joint.

In your eagerness to try and undermine me you seem to have missed that.

Even if I did smoke and get cancer, so what? Wasn't I the one that took that risk? Aren't I the one with the choice?

Personally, I think you loathe drugs so much because you gave them a go and they didn't work for you. While most of us are adult and rational enough to take it or leave it, you tried it and probably got sectioned for your troubles.

You've had the bad experience and you're so narrow in your point of view, (which appears to consist of 'Me! Me! Me! If I feel it you will too'), anyone who is stronger than you and can handle their weed sensibly is an instant threat and a reminder to you of what a failure you really are.

I feel this is where your "black & white" attitude, the anger, the frustration and the aggression comes from within you. If someone doesn't see things your way then they're an idiot, they're stupid, they're ignorant and you're the better person.

Oh well, I'm off out. I might pop a few e's before I go, maybe smoke some crack then speed off down the road to score some 'H' to shoot up with in the club before I hit the dance floor and then pull a gun to mug everyone so I can pay off my dealer.

Enjoy your night Ta ta

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[Curvey_Brunette]

You don’t know what paranoia is, do you?

Yes, it's accusation without foundation.

It's also a by-product of guilt which is why so many "religious" people often go killing innocent people because religion by default is designed to make you feel guilty about everything you say and do.

This is why preachers often tell people to "Repent their sins" and "Beg for forgiveness"

Asbestos-related disease includes, malignant mesothelioma

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000118.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000115.htm

I'll assume any links you post are as reliable of a BBC report on a "study" done in New Zeland on 4 year-olds over 25 years into cannabis addiction.

The fact is that studies such as that have 'pre-selected' subjects to study so they can prove what they set out to prove.

You may recall, several years ago a couple of psychologists tried to recreate the Stamford Experiment and when the subjects didn't respond the way they were expected to respond, then the experiment was closed down.

Yes, and cigarette tar takes years to break down.Most scientists say smoking causes cancer, and you are probably just a nobody.You present no evidence to prove the them wrong.

I wonder why 'New Scientist' published my thesis on social conformity.

That's the thing with you, you assume that others, (especially those who dare to disagree with you), are "nobodies" and you know it all.

See 'Cancer risks':

I point out the word R - I - S - K - S

A risk is not an absolute. A sky diver takes a RISK every time they jump out of a plane, the risk is their parachutes won't open and they'll hit the ground at 120 miles an hour.

I'll agree that happens to SOME people, but out of the millions of parachute jumps made all over the world by millions of people, that sort of thing is a very rare event. However, that doesn't change the fact that the RISKS are there does it? It doesn't change the fact that the majority of jumps are successful does it?

In your little world, just because one parachutist has dropped from the sky like a stone then everyone will.

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/asp/healthy_living/lifestyle/smoking/what/health.asp

BUPA??? They have a vested interest because they're a profit making business that specialises in health care.

And if BUPA was so good, perhaps you'd like to explain why so many BUPA patients who have opted for cosmetic surgery often find themselves in an NHS hospital being treat for infection and damage caused by botched ops?

No, it doesn’t mean everyone will progress to a harder drug, but many people do.Most people I know who tried cannabis tried something harder.Perhaps, that is in the nature of many of those who will try illegal drugs.

I think I have one friend who's tried it all, crack, heroine, coke, weed, you name it he's taken it. To him it was something he wanted to try and decided it wasn't for him.

Most of my own friends may smoke a bit of weed every now and then but that's as far as they go.

You see, any sensible person has the intelligence and rational to figure out they can say no and mean it.

However, addictive personalities often can't so say and so get in over their heads.

By the way, a former friend of mine set fire to someone over a five deal, and that was attempted murder.

Geee, I wish I had friends like you. I'd be living on a knife edge all the time wondering if they were going to turn on me ..... Hang on a minute .... No wonder you're paranoid if you have friends like that!

Yes, I am a social butterfly, and that is why I know what I am talking about.

No you don't, you're seeing a "snap shot" and relating what you see across the board instead of seeing the much bigger picture.

I do interrelate on multiple levels.

If you could you wouldn't be so aggressive and defensive. You wouldn't maintain anyone who has a different point of view to you is an idiot or doesn't know what they're talking about.

Instead you'd ask a few probing questions and you'd then be in a better position to assess what's being said to you and counter it with well thought out, rational counter argument instead of obstinate aggression.

I'm not asking for acceptance; otherwise, I would go somewhere where I would use my real name.However,I think acceptance is your secret goal, seeing that you are new to the site, you’ve agreed with the majority of posters, and mention such notions as “popularity” and “acceptance”.

Yes you are! In one of your posts you pointed out that "some people here" aren't idiots which is a form of acceptance seeking.

Just like the one who "agreed with most of what you said" got a " " out of you.

I don’t care whether you believe me, nor do I care about a psychological analysis from a person who knows nothing about paranoia.

So paranoia isn't an extreme distrust of others without foundation?

There is plenty of evidence on the net and I meant about cancer too, so go and find it.You were also supposed to follow the other links on the BBC posting,so here is a little about cannabis and mental health:

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/187/6/510?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=schizophrenia+cannabis&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT


http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/178/2/116?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=schizophrenia+cannabis&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

I don't think your therapy is working to be honest. Perhaps you should have a nice long chat with your CPN?

I don’t care.

Of course you don't.

Just a thought, but perhaps you should have spent more time with your education.

Hmmm, that's a very good point from someone with such a poor grasp of the English language, formatting and spelling.

I would go through my qualifications but I wouldn't want to create more bitterness and resentment in you.

Oh what the hell - 3 Years RMN training with York hospital, 3 years counselling & therapy training at Cherry Knowles in Sunderland.

My 'work experience' for my psychology degree took place in Rampton, Broadmoor, Clifton and Moorelands, all of them psychiatric hospitals and then I did my PhD in social and behavioral studies. The only thing I am NOT qualified to do is prescribe medication.

So I'm far more qualified than you actually think to make comment. Oh my!! I've just been manipulated into doing something you wanted me to do!! What will I do now??

I don’t know why you make stupid statements.

They're stupid to you because they don't agree with your point of view.

And you've admitted not only do you have "friends" who suffer mental health problems, but you also have friends who try to set people on fire over a fiver.

I think the bulk of your problems stem from both your childhood formative years and the people you call "friends"

Charley is as cheap as chips now, so a sugar bowl full is not such a big deal.

But it wasn't back in the 80's, it was a "designer drug" which only those who could afford it could use and had access to.

You can't apply what was 20 years ago to now. 20 years ago video recorders were hundreds of pounds, "laser discs" (CD's to you), were thousands of pounds. Today I could pick up a VCR for £20 brand new, my children have £30 DVD players in their bedrooms.

And you claim that coke is "Cheap as chips" which isn't the case at the moment. At this time due to the increased security at all ports the UK is "running" on "Home grown" at the moment because nothing is being brought in.

This in turn means that an Oz cost £40 6 months ago and now costs £120 an Oz in a lot of places and that's just the res. For actual weed, I'm told the current price is between £180 and £200 an Oz whereas 6 months ago it was around £150.

Supply and demand you see dictates the prices. If you have X amount of weed at the moment, people are willing to pay the price you want to charge because there isn't any anywhere else.

I've just said the same sort of thing to you about finding evidence. However, at least I tried to back up what I said.

Yes I will give you credit for trying to back up your opinions, but the links you've given are extremist links and are very biased rather than impartial.

No, you are just dim,because that wasn't the argument-poor powers of comprehension on your part again.

There you go again trying to debase and dominate me. Please stop trying, I'm far stonger than you could ever imagine.

You know nothing about me, you know nothing about my life, you know nothing about what I have been through, what sort of education I've had expect what I've told you above. Of course I expect you to dismiss that because an admission would undermine you so much and make you feel even more insecure than you already are.

So too much cannabis is bad for you?[/quote]

A - N - Y - T - H - I - N - G done to excess is bad for you.

No,I am not saying e's are better than cannabis,but we are talking about stealing:the cannabis smoker stole,but the pill head didn’t. However, somebody has probably died from cannabis.

So what you're saying then is that a lazy and paranoid pot head is more likely to steal than a pill head?

And you say "somebody has probably died from cannabis" and I'm convinced if you could find such an instance on the Internet you'd post the URL with great glee and satisfaction.

However, since there is no link and you use the word "probably" you're "talking out of your hat" A bit like you're accusing me of doing.

Now there's another indicator of significant psychological problems, people who often attack those for doing what they then go onto do themselves. It's called a lack of awareness.

I also suspect that you and your "friends" all have codependency issues, you probably feed off each other which is why you are the way you are. Either that or you spend a massive amount of time alone and think way too much about things that really shouldn't be a problem to you but are because of the circles you mix in.

That’s why you don’t know what you’re talking about.And your “good foundation” still has made you understand what has been said.

So being a stable and rational person is what makes me not know what I'm talking about to you? Oh dear!

Yes, onto yourself by mentioning then denying that popularity mattered to you, even though you later mention “acceptance”. Perhaps there is something deep in your psyche about which you are unsure.

I made a flippant comment which you took to be something more than it was. You picked it up, if it wasn't important to you then you would have brushed over it.

How sad it is that someone who has been on the receiving end of the mental health system can't tell when she's addressing someone who has worked professionally in that remit.

To be honest, I don't think you have any mental health problems and I don't believe you'd been given any psychiatric treatment. I think you may know someone who has and you're playing your part by proxy because you don't think you're interesting enough without something to key into.

Smoking is not the only, but a preventable, cause of cancer. Perhaps, if they don't smoke, they develop caner through passive smoking.

If you don't play about with radiation you won't get cancer, if you don't handle carcinogens you won't get cancer, if you don't like near power lines you won't get cancer, the list is endless of the things you can avoid doing not to get cancer.

The fact is more people are getting cancer these days because of the lifestyle they lead.

Think about it, all those mobile phone signals are a form of radiation, all the TV and satellite signals are a form of radiation, DAB radio frequencies are a form of radiation, normal AM and FM radio is another form of radiation.

Now we're losing the Ozone we're more and more exposed to the suns radiation so skin cancer is on the up as well.

Nobody knows why some people get cancer and others don't. At this time there is no cure for cancer, (Yes, people "get over it" but they're always medically termed as "in remission" and not cured) because science doesn't yet fully understand how it occurs.

No, because that would be a lie.

So all you've said is a lie because you've come across consistently that weed and tobacco cause cancer which is to suggest that it's a certainty when it isn't.

Symbols are scrambled. I presume it would be the adverb, in that it can answer the question: when?

But tomorrow never comes, it's always today.

If you smoke, if you take weed, if you do other drugs you know as fact there is a risk something bad may happen. But that risk doesn't mean it will happen.

No, you just haven’t got a clue.

Of course I haven't, I won't bow to your 'experience' of psychiatric hospitals, I won't bow to your experience with your "friends" I won't bow to your rather amusingly biased web links.

What do you want a picture for, because there are plenty in many English pubs and will be till 2007?



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Wow! I was in a nightclub last night with hundreds of non-smokers who didn't have ash trays or bins to stub out cigarettes and I can't say I stepped on a single fag end until I walked out of the nightclub.

But you do smoke.If you don't smoke,how do you smoke a joint?Your occasionally may not be the same as mine,so here is something on light smoking for when you choose to use tobacco.

Why do you assume that everyone is like you?

I've never once used tobacco in a joint, it's always been pure weed.

My husband does NOT smoke tobacco.

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/health_news/300905lightsmoking.html

You undermine yourself.

What like you do with your private hospital links?

Well, that proves one thing: you don’t think.

No, it proves you don't have the capacity to rationalise anything outside of the box.

And I did give it a long trial:about 12 years.

Well, I'm 40, my husband is 39 and he's smoked since he was around 22 or 23.

A couple of friends I have have always smoked weed and I've known them about 20 years now, we met in university.

I think "narrow point of view" suits you more, seeing that you have hardly understood anything. Again, it is you who have failed to understand anything, so the failure cap better fits you. But you have made a good point for not legalising cannabis,viz., weak people may not be able to handle it.

Weak people can't handle alcohol either, but that hasn't been made illegal, instead people go out at the weekend and they have a fight while pissed out of their heads.

I bet you can't get hold of a single report where someone on cannabis has gone out, attacked someone and then attacked the police.

What’s more, it appears the “Me Me Me” applies more to you ,in that you smoke cannabis and would like it perhaps legalised, whereas I am trying to help others not make the mistakes that I made, to reduce the risk of their developing serious diseases and perhaps dieing in great pain.By the way, it is not Nanny State like to reduce the toxins that people may expose themselves or others to.Oh,and your comment “Even if I did smoke and get cancer, so what?” shows selfishness. After all, your illness would cause your children and husband distress and would perhaps deprive them of a mother and wife respectively. That would be unnecessary anguish for your family

You're not helping anyone, your point of view is both biased and limited to your "experience"

As for me being selfish, well, I really do fail to see the point in living if I can't do the things I want to do and have a good time doing them.

I would suggest that you tried drugs as you saw them as an answer to all your problems, they were a solution but didn't work that way and so you resent drugs because they made you worse.

You present as very wound up, very angry and very aggressive rather than relaxed and easy going.

The last time I had a bit of a joint was about 3 or 4 months ago and given I don't feel so stressed out I need to "chill out" I doubt I'll smoke for the foreseeable future.

Things might change, I may get stressed over something and I may need to relax with a bit of help from a natural plant. I am one of those people who can take it or leave it. Sometimes I feel like a joint, the majority of the time I don't.

However, my husband .......... Hmm how to put this ..... Well, many years ago his job was armed close protection. Due to post traumatic stress disorder due to his past job, he has nightmares. I've seen him completely asleep and yet kick an Oak door off its frame to get to whoever he was dreaming about.

I've never discovered who or what he dreams about because he can't remember the dream himself. He's like that on nights he doesn't smoke, he's never gone for me in his sleep or done anything that might be a danger to others, but when he's had a smoke he sleeps like a baby.

His doctor recommended a sleeping pill that causes the taker to feel ill, crap and the next morning they're unfit to drive because the drug has a 12 hour half life. Cannabis has a 4 hour half life, so you tell me, is it better for someone like him to take a prescription pharmaceutical that could have a devastating effect on not only himself, but also myself, our children and another family or pedestrians at risk or to take a herb that has an effect for a third of the time?

Oh, and to inform you, the term "Half life" means the length of time it takes to break down the substance by half. So 4 hours after taking a joint, my husband has half the level of that drug in his system, 4 hours after that it's reduced by half again, and 4 hours after that it's reduced by half again.

That is right, and you're the idiot for not being able to understand, and then come up with arguments that match what has been said.

Does it make you feel better or superior to call those who don't agree with you idiots?

Mouth cancer causes of:

smoking tobacco -- any form of smoking can increase your risk of getting mouth cancer including cigarettes, cigars and pipes, as well as Asian bidis or hand-rolled cigarettes containing cannabis

chewing tobacco, such as betel quid, gutkha and paan - this
tobacco accounts for the high level of

BUPA

Note the 3-lettered word CAN, not DOES but CAN.

I don't disagree that smoking CAN increase the risks, but at the end of the day there is no guarantee at all that smoking WILL cause cancer.

It seems you're so wrapped up in yourself you can't see this.

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Just like the one who "agreed with most of what you said" got a " " out of you.

funny old world

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