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Postby seekingtruthUSA on Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:31 pm

I found this website yesterday. Posts by Ingrid and others, hit home. It was like I wrote it myself. I cried the whole time I read it. I even read some of it to my CL, hoping that he would get a better understanding of how I feel all the time now.


I met my CL when I was 16 years old. He was 20 and worked at the mall where I was Christmas shopping with my mother. I was a junior in high school. Our first date was magical, too good to be true. He was a gentleman and seemed to know how to treat me like a lady. On our second date (I’ll never forget), he asked me what the most important thing was to me --- I said honesty. We’ve been dating now for almost 6 years. He was diagnosed officially as a CL by a psychologist about 4 months ago but the lies have always been there. I just graduated from college with a degree in psychology and moved in with him about 3 months ago. I am starting a new and wonderful career as a youth counselor for emotionally disturbed children. During my college years I was in counseling for approximately 2 years and was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder and depression. My 2nd year in college I had a pretty serious mental breakdown, but I obsessed over my schoolwork to hide my feelings from everyone else. My CL knew all too well about my problems, but he didn’t know how to help and would never try. I never thought about committing suicide specifically, but there were times that I definitely wanted to die. My spells of anxiety and severe depression have returned recently and I am not sure what to do. I feel ill inside all the time, my mind spins with thoughts of pain and shame. I am ashamed of myself for staying with him. But the one thing is…I love him. I feel fat and ugly and betrayed. I feel worthless and destroyed and I wish I could just see what the real truth is….all the things he has hidden from me.
My CL has lied to me about anything and everything and still continues even today. This weeks lies? Wednesday: I asked him if he had to put down a security deposit for our apartment (we are getting ready to move again and I was hoping we would get some cash back) and he said ā€œI can’t rememberā€. And then it happened…I always know when he lies it’s like clockwork…shoulders slump, goofy face, devilish eyes, eyebrows raised, and no eye contact. It’s actually gotten down to a pure science. I give him 6 calm ā€œpromptsā€ – ā€œOk honey, I know you are lying, please tell me the truth.ā€ You know what he does this time? He actually fabricates an elaborate story about it, which is also a lie (remember I know when he lies)…then I yell at him and tell him to leave. I go get the lease agreement and there it is, plain as day: security deposit $0.00. Then for me the anger and pain begins to swirl deep inside of me. It’s coupled with an undying sense of hopelessness and all I can think about is, ā€œwhat about all the things I don’t know about yet.ā€ Saturday’s lie: I look at our coffee table and there is a dent in it. ā€œHey honey, do you know what happened to the table?ā€ ā€œNo I don’tā€ and there we go again, shoulders, eyes, humor…he starts again about how he knows nothing/did nothing. Today’s lie: ā€œHoney did you use my wash rag in the shower?ā€ CL response: ā€œNo I didn’t, but there was this other day that I used it accidentallyā€. My anger was too much today, I yelled and screamed and hit him again. I haven’t hit him in a few weeks…I promised him I wouldn’t any more…but my anger just swells….I know it is wrong; I do NOT think he deserves such horrible things, no matter what… but his constant emotional abuse….I just, I just couldn’t do it again. I never want to hit…EVER. I am a weak fighter according to him, but nonetheless the guilt of impending any sort of abuse on someone is awful. I don’t want to stoop to his level…You must be thinking, well those lies aren’t too serious…Well he did the serious ones too (probably still does too) – when we first started dating he’d lie about his education, his accomplishments, he’d lie when he didn’t call me, he’d lie about where he was going out if I was left home alone on a Friday night, he lied about which ex-girlfriends he met up with, who he bought drinks for, what porn sites he looked at because ā€œhe had a decreased sex interestā€, who he talked to _ and through email, everything everything everything. You know the stupid wash rag lie? He actually started to laugh about it to my face. That made me even madder. I have cried to him so much, and shown him how torn apart I am and what did he do today? He actually laughed at his lie. HE THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY. How could he laugh at my misfortune? I am so depressed now. No one knows…just him and me. He is seeing a new psychologist….god knows what lies he is telling him. You know the last piece of S*** psychologist we saw said??? That it was a problem with communication, that I was prying to much and that I made him feel threatened. SHE ACTUALLY SAID IT WAS MY FAULT. You know what she told me to do? If I asked him a question and he lied to me, that I should believe the lie, tell him I believe him, AND DROP IT. Yes, she said to DROP it. I wanted to scream. In the session I told her there was no way I could ever to that. He swears to his guilt and sorrow….cries those ā€˜real tears’...god knows he’s not crying for my pain. He says he is so sorry sorry sorry. He wants to change. No matter what, like someone said, HE ALWAYS DECIDES TO LIE TO ME. At least we have a joint session in a few weeks so I can set a few things straight. I’m so embarrassed. I feel alone and stupid. I am paranoid and sad. I fear the unknown. Lies and lies and lies. I value honesty, truth, and purity. And in a sense I feel like he has sucked me in and somehow I am now living a lie. A lie that shows me as some happy young woman, faithful and true and in love with her man. I feel like I am being dishonest with myself, and unlike him, I actually detest the feeling. I know I need to reenter counseling…I will, but I can’t just yet. My parent’s health insurance doesn’t have mental health coverage. For now you all are all I have….

I would love to have an email/aol instant messenger correspondent. I need support, someone who knows what its like. Someone I can turn to. Please let me know if you are interested….I will watch for posts.:-(

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Believe it or not, I know how you feel.

Postby Tralex on Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:01 pm

I know it is not much console, but I do. Luckily, my CL has not ever laughed at me yet, thank goodness, because I'm so sensitive I'd probably break down.

Yet, I understand the underlying basis of your experiences. In fact, I went to see a pshychologist myself, and they gave me the same advice as they gave you: Believe it or leave him, and then drop the subject. It worked for a while, until I realized I was lying to myself-- and got caught up in all my contradictions again. I know it's not a satisfactory answer.

I also liked how you defined that underlying feeling, when your CL lies to you, perhaps after a brief period of pure trust (somehow), and then all the negativity and misery start in all at once. I never knew how to explain it before, but you defined it perfectly: when you start to wonder, "What else is he or has he been lying about that *I haven't figured out yet*"

It's an exhausting and mentally skwering game... it's sad because you feel you can't look at people the same way again, you doubt everything. I'm sure you know what I mean.

And yes, I have AIM and would be interested in buddying up with you.
Contact me privately if you can about this. If not, we can arrange something similar.

I will be away for a little less than 2 weeks, but until then, hang in there. There are plenty of nice people on this board, and you're not alone.


Love,

Tralex


PS. Az, don't worry about that message-- your advice is wonderful and our opinions have not changed about you one bit. : )

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Postby disgusted on Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:54 pm

I feel you are dillusional, in one sentence you say that he claimed to be suicidal and the next time it was you that attempted suicide. I know R and I feel you are the one that is a CL!!!!!!! I don't understand why people like yourself dwell on this, grow up and move on with your life, if someone doesn't love you do you really want to be with them. I only hope the others on this site will see you for what you are and will not listen to your advice. They need professional help and that is not you........

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to Tralex. Thanks!

Postby seekingtruthUSA on Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:56 pm

Thank you for your compassion and understanding. I would like to correspond w/ you, but I think I cannot contact you as, you are listed as a guest on the post. Please let me know how I can privated contact you. It's nice to know I am not alone sometimes.

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Re: Compulsive Liar

Postby x-xcutiex-x on Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:31 pm

snowqueen wrote:I have been married for a year, and only been with him for 18 months...when i first met him he said he had his own house but then he had to tell me he actually lived in a caravan because he was too embarrassed and thought i would not stay with him.

On saturday he told me that he is a compulsive liar...how do i trust someone i love who is a compulisve liar..and does anyone have any advice about compulsive liars...i was quite upset when he told me this


my bf is a compulsive liar he said vhe had cancer wen he didnt and somany lies. he wont admit he hasnt changed tho. ur husband has admitted it and if u love him stay with him cus when tehy are no longer in denial they are half way there

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Postby Researcher26 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:07 am

I am doing some research into compulsive lying and am hoping to make a documentary on the subject. I have personal experience of CL and feel very passionate that people should be informed of the destruction CL can cause in people's lives.

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Postby azpowergirl on Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:24 am

Hi Tralex,
Thank you for your support. Those of us who have been victims of CL's are really the only ones that can understand the destruction they cause in the honest person's life. I am happy to say that my life is good now; simple, sweet and honest...unlike the nightmare that he kept me in for so long. For those of you who continue to be betrayed and keep believing that the CL will change....beware! The chances are good that they won't and you will waste a part of your life that you will never recover. Falling in love and falling hard is a great feeling as long as it's not with a CL. Unfortunately, mine had professed his love the whole time, just to keep me entrapped in his web of deception. Did I love him honestly and want forever? Now I don't know. In the beginning it felt right, only because I went right from a bad marriage into the relationship with him. I thought he was sweet, caring and honest...that's why I waited for so long and gave him the last of my savings. The warning signs were probably there the whole time, but I was too blinded by his empty promises and made up excuses for not "coming home". Whoever thinks they "have him" completely now is a fool. He will never grow old with just ONE WOMAN, and will forever be empty inside, never keeping a true friend because he has burned all those bridges. Just realize that you will NEVER truly know the CL inside and out because he will always keep something hidden from you..Also remember....SECRETS=LIES. It appears that all of us who have loved CL's are honest, caring, compassionate, patient and loving. We can't imagine someone being so deceitful and dramatic. Well, those monsters DO exist, and I implore you all to be careful. Protect your own heart and soul first. Believe in yourself (as I do) and work toward a future for YOU. Relying on a CL is just setting yourself up for a huge heartbreak. Prayers and xoxo from Arizona

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Just figured it out...

Postby optionlgrl2 on Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:59 pm

I just found out I was involved with a CL for 3 years. I am heartbroken and angry. I confronted him not knowing what else to do and he lied to me about getting married this Friday. I really did think I was alone. But everything you all say about these men is true...Are there any chat groups for this topic? Or would anyone want to chat at some time?

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Azpowergirl

Postby Seekingjustice on Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:03 pm

Why don't you tell the truth to these other women,
The fact is you say that R lied to you and there fore he is a CL .
That you were so heart broken you had to go to bed with so many other men to try to forget him in fact while you were with one of the so many other men you got pregnant is that true? you can continue to slam R if you want but the fact is you are a stalker and will lie about him and whoever else you can to try to get attention. it has been going on all your life people try to help you be nice to you and then they are the ones who are lying because they donot want anything to do with you once they find out what you are.
If your life is so good now then move on and be happy if that is possible.
for the sake of all. good luck to all the women who are really in need of help I cannot help you with CL's but I do know one thing R is a good person and would just about do anything for anyone.

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Postby azpowergirl on Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:31 am

Dear Seeking Justice,
Funny that you should just enter this site under a different "GUEST" name each time. Good luck with "R". If you think he is such a good, HONEST person, more power to you. However, when he rapes your soul and you find him in more lies than truths, then you are welcome to join this site as an actual "MEMBER" because you will need all the help you can get. Remember, there are two sides to every story. Your choice to believe that sociopath is just that: YOUR CHOICE. I chose to believe him for a long time too. Just make sure you use condoms. The man is a lady.
Good luck to you both.

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Azpowergirl

Postby Seekingjustice on Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:33 pm

Well once again can you tell me it is truth or lie what I ask you and answer the question this time or are you afraid that everyone in this forum will find out what you really are!
people like you use good people until they are no longer good for you or you have blead them dry. they will find who you really are I don't need to be a member because I have a good honest man who comes home to me every day and loves me very much I am very secure in our relationship thank you very much for proving that you cannot and will tell the truth.
good luck to all the members of this forum you will need it if you listen to the power hungry AZpowergirl.

Seekingjustice
 

Azpowergirl

Postby Seekingjustice on Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:37 pm

I am sorry for the type error,
It is cannot and will not tell the truth.

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Postby Seekingjustice on Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:21 am

OH and one more little bit of info the word lady may be posted on your forehead but it is not on his. and you had your chance and you blew it, but then again you are use to blowing things.have a great life Nap.you belong with a loser and you will continue to be one so try and make all the women in this forum beleave what you want but there are alot of people including your family that know what you are.

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Postby Guest on Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:20 pm

I googled the words "compulsive liar" and this site came up. While I'm thrilled to not feel so alone, it also makes me sad to see so few success stories. I'm not sure if my husband would be considered a compulsive liar, but he definitely has issues with honesty.

We've been married for nearly two years and together for almost six. Our relationship was tested from the start:

1) A few months into our relationship, he was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. This is actually when I knew that I loved him... I couldn't stand not being by his side during this frightening time, and then ever.

2) A couple of years later, his parents split up because his dad left his mother for another woman (they didn't last a week). His father was always sort of a nervous and insecure person... But this was the first time we realized he was mentally ill. He seemed to have a break with reality, and several very extreme and delusional highs (running for public office in his small town) and lows (a couple of arrests and a short court-ordered involuntary stay in a mental hospital) followed. Although he refuses to seek help or even acknowledge that something is wrong, we think he may have severe bipolar disorder (only from what we know of his behavior and have read on the Internet).

3) One week before our wedding, my husband was laid off from his job.

He took some time to figure out what he wanted to do with his life, and began taking courses towards a Masters in Science degree. However, he was struggling...this is when I first started to notice his lies. He lied about his grades. He lied about quitting a job (he led me to believe he was still working there). He lied about money and where/what he spent it on (never big things...cigarettes*yuck*, junk food, etc.) He took CDs from our home and sold them for quick cash...and lied about it until I wouldn't let up...these types of things. He finally had hit "Rock Bottom" when I caught him in a lie about his grades. He curled up on the floor, crying, saying he had no self esteem and this was definitely the bottom.

We immediately got into therapy, and this seemed to work for a while. We were both getting along a lot better. He decided to pursue a new career, and seems to be really enjoying his new path and the courses he is taking. He also got a new job in the meantime and seems to really like what he does and the people he works with.

However, lying with regards to money is still an issue, and it seems to have just resurfaced...or maybe I didn't notice before. I'm not sure... Again...lies about small things. And he is super irresponsible, almost rebellious, when he has a little financial freedom. But it is making me sick. I excused the lies before, because he was under such extreme stress and said that it wouldn't happen again. He told me this morning that he finally knows he has a problem with lying and he wants to stop...that he's scared he won't be able to... and that he needs help. Alhtough I am a bit relieved to hear him admit he has a problem, I don't want to get my hopes up. With each lie, my heart breaks. With each lie, I lose faith in him, myself, my judgement, my future. Even if the lies seem insignificant, I don't know how to get him to understand how terribly damaging they are.

I think he was brought up learning how to stick his head in the sand and ignore the truth. His mom did that with his father's infidelity. His sister has done that with her husband's infidelity. His uncle is a 60 year old homosexual, but nobody ever talks about it...he was an alcoholic for years, and I'm quite certain it was caused by repressing who he was. His father was also very critical of him...although he wasn't abusive, my husband never felt like his father was proud of him.

I, too, have not always fought fair. When I would catch him in a lie I would fly into a rage...throw things, put down his family, call him names, etc. I always felt remorseful, but I would lose control. I have worked very hard at this (with the help of therapy). Although I still struggle with these things, I've learned how to stay in check most of the time.

I love my husband so much. I think I'm a little surprised to realize the depths of his insecurity and his immaturity. Our therapist helped get us to this point of realization. I just really hope we can work through this dysfunction and have the happy, stable partnership that I so long for with him.

Am I kidding myself by having hope? Any advice? Support? Stories? It feels good to have this support here...

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Postby confusedandblue on Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:43 pm

You are the only true success story I've seen on this board. I would love to get your insight on a few things... Could you contact me when you get the chance? Thank you...

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