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Re: compulsive liars

Postby joanneUK on Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:33 pm

sus4844 wrote:
You start a relationship believing all a person tells you because you have no reason to doubt what they are saying, and then the more lies you uncover, the more you doubt, the more you are lied to, and told that you are overreacting, or that you are paranoid, or that you are being silly, the more you doubt your own intelligence. Its such a revolving door.


Wow. I just happened to come across this forum when searching for information about compulsive lying, and.... wow! I can't beleive how many others are in the same boat. I just wanted to say that everything I have just read in the post by sus4844 (Monday March 07) is completely and down to the last drop every inch how I feel.
I have been in a relationship for 2 years next month, and have now come to the conclusion that my boyfriend suffers from some sort of compulsive lying disorder. (Can it be a disorder? Im not sure how to word it).
Unfortunately I do not have time right now to delve into detail, (Im at work!) but I will definitely be returning to this forum as it is the fist form of 'help' as such I have found that I can share my feelings with.
I am 26 years old and this is driving me to despair. When I find a bit more time I would like to read through many of hte previous posts on here, in the hope that those in the same situation as me may be able to pass on any advice before it really drives me to boiling point.

Take Care all,
Regards x

Sadder but Wiser in KY
 

Trying to get over relationships with compulsive liars

Postby Sadder but Wiser in KY on Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:38 am

I mentioned a book called Romantic Liars, by Sally Caldwell in a previous post and this book is REALLY worth reading. One thing that the author talked about was "Crazy Making Behaviors" which was a real eye-opener for me. The victim is made to feel that she is losing her mind because of the tactics of the liar. The liar does such things as telling their partner one thing one day, and then denying that they said it the next, or being very vague and imprecise when the victim starts to ask questions, or sending subtle messages through remarks or facial expressions that let the victim know that her feelings or emotions or opinions are not important, and finally limiting the victim's personal space, so that the liar is the victim's entire world. The liar has managed to narrow the victim's world so that they no longer have friends or family to help them with a reality check. The victim gets to the point where she's asking herself if she imagined the lies or inconsistencies and she begins to question her own sanity.

I wrote down a lot of the lies that I was told and the reasons that I knew that they were lies, and when something new happens to make me question what I've heard or seen the liar say or do and I begin to think that I imagined it, or remembered wrong, or whatever, I get out my list of lies and read them over again to remind myself of what he really is, and that I'm not the one with the problem. The bit about Crazy Making Behavior made perfect sense, so in essence, you could say about you own romantic liar, "He's driving me crazy!" because he really is. The book does not say if this is the liar's intention, or if it's just a by-product of all the inconsistencies that make up his life of lying.

The main thing that the author keeps repeating is to get out of the relationship as quickly as possible, and NOT to confront the liar with his lies, especially if he has ever shown any signs of abusive behavior. She goes on to say that it is therapeutic to write the liar a letter that confronts him with his lies, but that under no circumstances should you give him the letter. The letter is a way of facing reality for yourself. I made the mistake of confronting my liar, and he simply responded by ignoring my accusations and changing topics, or by telling further lies. There is really no way to win with a compulsive liar.

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Postby joanneUK on Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:32 am

Thankyou ladies, these posts are becoming really helpful, helping me to understand and help deal with certain issues. I really don't want this problem to get out of hand, especially after reading how so many other women are in a much worse situation than myself.
Luckily we are not married, and there are no ties (children/mortgage etc). But I don't want to give up so easily when I still love the lying git!
I may have to try and get a copy of the book mentioned above, or something similar. I am now finding that the more I talk about things to other people (especially strangers!) I start to feel a bit better about things.

I know that compulsive lying is not something that will just go away at the click of a finger, it will take time. I do keep telling him that one of these days that 'little white lie' will get him into a lot more trouble than he expected, but does he listen?! And I am trying my damned hardest to help him, (for some reason I really do want the relationship to work) but how far can you go when they flatly deny they have a problem, yet carry on telling more and more lies?

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Postby Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:51 pm

Dear Louby,

I am begging you to not feel embarrassed about what you have done. My husband, the one whose the liar, has done a heck of a lot more damage than you. Since I last wrote, things have come to a head. He couldn't sleep at night, became increasingly agitated, and very withdrawn. He came home one evening right before Easter and told me that he had thoughts all day long of killing himself. This was not the first time he had those thoughts, but the most serious. He couldn't stop thinking about it. So I ran him to the nearest emergency room where they admitted him to a mental health hospital. He stayed there for two weeks while they adjusted medications to lift any depression and helped him through the humiliation of having to come clean with all his lies. He see, my darling husband, a man that I have trusted for over 15 years, put us in about $30,000 debt by borrowing money from people to compensate his employees for medical, gas, cell phone, and other misc. expenses. If you read previous posts, he started his own business and has a financial partner who makes all the financial decisions. He compensated the employees because his partner wouldn't and he was vying for their attention and appreciation. In addition to the money, I unfortunately had two breast cycts that needed to be surgically removed. They knew that they were noncancerous, but that didn't stop my husband from telling everybody that I have cancer. He even told people that during surgery they lost me and I had to be revived. I'm walking around going to WalMart and he's telling people I'm recovering from dying. He also rented out a condo and told people he was living there because I'm divorcing him for working to hard in his business. Talk about being slapped in the face. HOWEVER, my husband did none of this intentionally. He did not do it to hurt me or anybody else. He needs help. The reasons that he had been lying more than normal are only beginning to surface. He has a co-dependent personaltiy. He lies when it's easier to tell the truth. He will do anything for the attention and appraisal of a total stranger, even if that means hurting the ones he loves. You sound more like the type of person who hates who you are so you make up a pseudo self to find happiness. You need to realize who you are, like yourself, then work on other relationships. I can tell you firsthand, my husband has lost a lot of friends from this, however, in my opinion, those friends were a dime a dozen. There are a lot of people out there that have forgiven him and are willing to stick around because they think he's worth it. It's better to lose 10 friends and keep one, you know that one is true. I hope you did go to the doctor. If you didn't please do. And DO NOT find shame with what you have done, instead use it as a lesson. I am sure that you are a good person otherwise, this wouldn't be bothering you so much. I never believed in "psych wards" and psychiatrists and stuff, but I'm a true believer now. Don't ever end things. I'm sure your mom and others would rather have you here then not be here. There's a lot of help out there, you just have to ask for it and be patient. Please keep me updated as to how you are doing and if you need any advice, I will be here on the forum. Take care of yourself.

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previous post

Postby ohiomom1234 on Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:59 pm

Sorry Louby, that previous post was from me, I wasn't signed in.

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Postby ohiomom1234 on Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:05 pm

JoanneUK,

You can't help him until he wants to help himself. My husband has lied since day one, everybody knows it too, but he's a great guy and if that's his worse attribute than so be it. He never lied about anything big, like whether or not he was at work. He lied about stupid little things. Kind of just to make a story good you know. Stuff like, I got pulled over for speeding the other day and he was so impressed by my driving record he didn't ticket me for doing 60 in a 25 mph zone. Things like that, but I could overlook them. Then the lies got bigger. And then they got out of control and it wasn't until then that he wanted help. So here's my advice. If they are little lies, and you can deal with them, you have to accept them as part of his personality. We all lie to some extent. I'm sorry I missed my appt, I wasn't feeling well. Or no girlfriend, your butt doesn't look big in those jeans. He might just be a step above that. However, the minute you notice them getting worse, you may already be there, you have to start calling him on every single one that you find out, and believe me, if you wanted to, you can find out. Don't do it in a nasty way, do it more of a joking way. Then write it down so when they start coming more frequently, you have a list to give to him and sit down and discuss it with him. I wish I would have done it years ago. I'm not sure it would have helped, but it would have been something. If you love him and he's a good person, it's worth the time invested. Good Luck!

mrswuanda
 

compulsive liars

Postby mrswuanda on Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:22 am

Today is my first day on this site and responding in this forum about compulsive liars. My husband of eight years is a severe compulsive liar. He has lied to me in everyway there is possible from small things to large things like saying that he has cancer. He let me and my children sit up and cry while he held x-rays in his hand and claimed that the doctor said that he had cancer. The x-rays were normal x-rays for back pain. Now he is serving time for child support and claims that the doctor in the jail says that he has diabetes. He lies all the time and it is killing my relationship with him. He became addicted to drugs during the course of the marriage and between the crack addiction and the lies and all the stealing and bad checks and taking of money, I am thankful to God that I am still sane. At the moment, I have fallen out of love with him even though he writes from jail pleading for my love and forgiveness. But, how can I forgive him or even trust what he is saying is true. He gets out of jail in 28 days and I am sick to think about going back to the old life with him and his lies and decietfulness. We have two daughters who adores him and I am trying to be strong for them, but my strength is weak and I am trying to lean on God's strength, but overall I am tired.

Coping in Ohio

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Postby ohiomom1234 on Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:08 am

Coping in Ohio,

Maybe this has something to do with the men in our State! Unfortunately, I have to give you the worst compulsive lying husband on this forum award. He has sooo many problems that he needs to work through, especially with the drug abuse. I have a lot of sympathy for you and please know that I am praying for you and your family.

SuzyB
 

Compulsive Lying

Postby SuzyB on Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:18 pm

Hi - I've just come across this forum, searching on the Net for 'compulsive liars' and how to cope. I 'm not married to a liar, but I have a friend who really needs help.

Everyone who's posted here has helped me understand more - although, I think there needs to be more help for spouses, family and friends of these chronic liars! I'll check out the book that was mentioned here, written by Sally Caldwell.

As it is a close friend who I feel has the problem,and not my husband, then the problem for me isn't as severe - although some of the things you other guys talk about really hits home: the lying of small, stupid things (why?) and the immediate need to deny the lies. I've also been blamed for 'accusing' my friend and, yes, I've also ended up feeling responsible!

I'm a 38 year old woman, with my own company and a secure, loving family and small group of friends - so why does this person make me feel this way? And why do I feel the need to want to help? Maybe it's the maternal instincts kicking in - I always see this sad, lonely lost boy that needs help....

Joanne in Yorkshire - I'd be interested to hear more about your story, love. Drop a line if you can and let me/us know how your getting on.

Suzy

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More compulsive lying

Postby Hopeful in AZ on Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:41 pm

Hi All: I'm unsure how to post to this forum, but I was surprised to see so many women with the same problem of loving a man who is a compulsive liar. My boyfriend of 3 years has agreed to go to counseling after being confronted by me and by his daughter about his lying. He is seeing a psychologist once a week and today was his second appointment. Pretty much the same story as everyone else - lots of little lies, then more and more BIG lies, usually about work, finances, etc. I won't go into details here, but I'd like to let everyone know about the progress (if any) being made with the counseling. I am hopeful that we can work through this problem together, but realistic enough to know it won't be easy or happen overnight. Other than the lying my boyfriend is a wonderful person and very good to me . I wish I understood the illness better.

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Postby ohiomom1234 on Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:24 pm

Hi Hopeful in AZ

Please do keep us updated on his progress. My husband has been therapy now for about a month after his discharge from the hospital. I'm not sure the therapy is helping as much as the medication they put him on. There seems to be so many people with this issue but so little help.

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compulsive lying

Postby jax_127 on Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:21 pm

My boyfriend has lied compulsively for as long as I've known him, he's been that way since he was little. I've heard that his father was the same way. Is it possible to have a healthy relationship with someone like this. We are in love and considering marriage. . All the lies confuse me sometimes and I never know what's real and what's not. What can I do to help him?

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Compulsive Lyers

Postby giggles on Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:22 am

I've been in my relationship for a year and a half and my boyfriend has lied to me on adn off from day one. First he told me he was divorced, when he was really in the process of divorce. Then he'd tell me he was going to the doctor when it turns out he didn't. Of course he's lied about financial stuff too-returning a joint layaway purchase and collecting the money then denying he did it all the way up to the store clerk showed his signature on the sales recipt cancelling the layaway. Recently, he lied about loosing my engagement ring and money he had stashed away in a safety deposit box due to Chapter 7 seizure. He can be honest with the government/law, but not with me? I don't understand, except that it's all fear based and I can totally relate with all these postings; because you all understand. From the beginning I have confronted his lies, set boundaries, consequences and demanded he get into counseling/therapy for this unhealthy/dysfunctional behavior~ all with no avail. He never admits he is a compulsive lyer, only after severe pressure from me/confrontation does he finnally crumble and "spill the beans". My fmily hates him becuase of the lies and has issued me ultimatums- I dump him or they won't speak to me. It's miserable to go through this, but I really love him and beleive that his behavior is NOT about me, but something much deeper and mostly about fear. I know it's his stuff & that I can't change him, but I can't live with this either-so there lies my quandry. After I find out about another lie, I wind up loving him & soothing his pain, then I feel resentful and hurt and the inner termoil begins. I have never dealt with anything like this before (compulsive lying). I understand addiction/ codependancy/adult-child stuff/etc., but I don't know what the proper treatment for this would be? Looking for more info as to whether this is really treatable and if I can even look at the future with him. Thanks for listening.

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Has anybody found any information/help for this???

Postby giggles-(AZ) on Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:41 am

Hi all,
I am so greatful to have found this forum. I just wrote and had to write again. I applaud everyone's honest postings and I'm noticing the uncanny simiarities between our stories. I'm giggles- I just added AZ to define where I live. In the U.S. I'm also a college student studying psychology. I can't belive there isn't a 12-step . support group for lyers and us! There's got to be. I have been part of the recovering community for almost 10 years and have found a meeting for everything. If there isn't one for this we should start one. Come on girls, what do ya say? Anyone good at creating web-sites? We could start a healing program for ourselves and those we love. Perhaps. I know the most important thing is to focus on myself, and my life. What I need to take care of and to get outside support. All of which I do and highly recommend.
Needless to say, I haven't found a magic answer or explenation except that it must be a compulsion and I am overly compassionate (as I see I am not alone). I am reading a book on relationship boundaries and they talk about seperating from the lies. it's true. His lies are Not mine and therefore I must STOP taking them on as if they are. This includes the pain and anquish that belongs to HIM, not me! I know there is hope and help out there- and this is just one of those avenues..here will all of you/us brave women. We must stick together and keep talking about it-here and everywhere that is safe. I watch starting over on tv. and I'm going to post this as a topic for discussion. I'm interested on what they'd reccomend. Anybody else watch the show? It's great! Well, that's it for now & I look forward to chating more with all of you!

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Postby Guest on Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:31 pm

Whats starting over? I am glad you bring new enthusiasm to this forum. I am starting to feel so alone. I have written on this forum for awhile now and respond directly to people trying to help them cope, offering advice, whatever and haven't gotten a single personal response back. I'm glad my posting have helped people to not feel so alone, but in the end, it's me that feels alone! How stupid, I know. Anyway, if you start a group therapy thing, please keep me updated on it. I would love to join! Good luck with you and your boyfriend. If he's worth it, if he's a good person and treats you good otherwise, stick it out! There is worse things in life that he could be doing!

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