Gay marriage

[GayandProud]

All of you in favor of gay marriage, now and forever, have no right to say anything about a parent that abandons their child.

A father that walks out is not necessary because lesbians prove men are not necessary!

A mother that walks out is not necessary because gay fathers proves a mother is not necessary!


Guys that go around getting women knocked up one after another... KNOWS that a father is not necessary because lesbians prove it so.

Two words for you Fred:

Logical Fallacy

Look it up. It might make you see whee you're going wrong here.

Probably not though.....

[Fred75]

All of you in favor of gay marriage, now and forever, have no right to say anything about a parent that abandons their child.

A father that walks out is not necessary because lesbians prove men are not necessary!

A mother that walks out is not necessary because gay fathers proves a mother is not necessary!


Guys that go around getting women knocked up one after another... KNOWS that a father is not necessary because lesbians prove it so.

Two words for you Fred:

Logical Fallacy

Look it up. It might make you see whee you're going wrong here.

Probably not though.....

Ask all the single mums here if they think its a fallacy?
They know first hand that some men need very little reason to leave their children.

Two lesbians just proves to men that a feministic dominating woman will do his children just fine by herself.
Damn the needs of the child.

laugh all you want.... the proof is in the number of fatherless homes your country currently has.

[GayandProud]

nevermind.

You missed the point.......wwhhoosh right over your head

[Fred75]

nevermind.

You missed the point.......wwhhoosh right over your head

Theres only one whooosh here.
Your failing to see how many children have no fathers in todays society and the price society pays for that as a whole.

But your what, not even 20 yet, so a lot of this is over your head to begin with.


WHOOOSH.

[Cambridge]

Two words for you Fred:

Logical Fallacy

Look it up. It might make you see whee you're going wrong here.

Probably not though.....

Of course not, G&P. Hairy back has been hired by the house to taunt and make the lives of other posters interesting. I'm convinced he’s a shill. “Logic?” We’ve all had a go at him on that. Don’t waste your time. I've devised a uniform code for him: “Bull Sh**” When you give him this you don’t have to waste time showing him where or how he is wrong. That gets so tedious and it's soooo ineffective. It’s just a signal that he is wrong…let him figure it out.

[The Colonel]

I'm also a 100% heterosexual male. I believe people are born with one sexual orientation or the other (or both as the case may be). Why should gay/lesbian couple be denied any of the rights and privileges that are offered to heterosexual couples?

I agree with chrisvet and cambridge: what two consenting human adults do is none of my business as long as they are not infringing upon my rights and privileges.

Because saying that gay couples are all equal is to say that they are equally fit to raise a child.

And that is not so.
A child needs to see how to live and love the opposite sex and raise children just the same.

To say two lesbian women are the equal of a man and woman is to tell society and children that a father is not needed.
Is that a message you want have a small boy learn and then grow up and live by abandoning his children?

I can see all sides of this argument (I'm straight by the way)

Everyone is attacking Fred's viewpoint and i can see why, but i can also see what Fred's saying. This is a difficult issue. In an ideal world children would be brought up by one man and one woman, for balance. But this is not an ideal world - far from it. I have gay friends that are longing for children and I feel they'll do a great job. There are plenty of hetero couples that are bloody awful parents - even criminal.

I believe gay couples should be allowed to marry. They should have the same legal rights and protection. I believe that as long as they're investigated properly along the same lines as prospective adoptive parents, they should be allowed raise children. (i speak as an adopted person).

So, I agree with the general consensus on this thread but I don't think you're being fair to Fred - some of his points aren't as crazy as you make out.

It's simple... the ones failing to se my point are most likely products of divorce or unwed mothers and see no problem with broken homes.

They think it's normal.
So they go on perpetuating bad family values.

In fact... the worse the other scenario, the better they look.

Wrong.

My parents are together. There has never been a divorce in my family.

I do not think broken homes are a good idea at all. But how exactly is a gay family "broken"? That makes no sense at all.

You can't even get an insult correct can you?

[GayandProud]

Two words for you Fred:

Logical Fallacy

Look it up. It might make you see whee you're going wrong here.

Probably not though.....

Of course not, G&P. Hairy back has been hired by the house to taunt and make the lives of other posters interesting. I'm convinced he’s a shill. “Logic?” We’ve all had a go at him on that. Don’t waste your time. I've devised a uniform code for him: “Bull Sh**” When you give him this you don’t have to waste time showing him where or how he is wrong. That gets so tedious and it's soooo ineffective. It’s just a signal that he is wrong…let him figure it out.

I thought that too ....Ive stopped trying to explain the finer points, or even the main points - he doesnt understand - and you're right its soooo tedious and achieves nothing. ...one trick pony is our Fred...

[Cambridge]

Well, look, G&P. Some of us get paid hundreds/hour to debunk arguments, on the logical level and on the factual level. So it pisses me off to waste anything on this Neanderthal. That’s why I've developed this code. Tell him Bull Sh**, and let’s see if he responds. If he doesn’t, you know that any effort would have been wasted.

If he does, like he did to my response, hold him to making some logical or truthful responses. If he cannot, tell him Bull sh** again. He will either ramp up his energy level and start making sense, or he will drop out. Either way, you will have either made him an intelligent participant, or dismissed him as irrelevant. Don’t spend any more money on him. End of story [slaps hands].

[Fred75]

I'm also a 100% heterosexual male. I believe people are born with one sexual orientation or the other (or both as the case may be). Why should gay/lesbian couple be denied any of the rights and privileges that are offered to heterosexual couples?

I agree with chrisvet and cambridge: what two consenting human adults do is none of my business as long as they are not infringing upon my rights and privileges.

Because saying that gay couples are all equal is to say that they are equally fit to raise a child.

And that is not so.
A child needs to see how to live and love the opposite sex and raise children just the same.

To say two lesbian women are the equal of a man and woman is to tell society and children that a father is not needed.
Is that a message you want have a small boy learn and then grow up and live by abandoning his children?

I can see all sides of this argument (I'm straight by the way)

Everyone is attacking Fred's viewpoint and i can see why, but i can also see what Fred's saying. This is a difficult issue. In an ideal world children would be brought up by one man and one woman, for balance. But this is not an ideal world - far from it. I have gay friends that are longing for children and I feel they'll do a great job. There are plenty of hetero couples that are bloody awful parents - even criminal.

I believe gay couples should be allowed to marry. They should have the same legal rights and protection. I believe that as long as they're investigated properly along the same lines as prospective adoptive parents, they should be allowed raise children. (i speak as an adopted person).

So, I agree with the general consensus on this thread but I don't think you're being fair to Fred - some of his points aren't as crazy as you make out.

It's simple... the ones failing to se my point are most likely products of divorce or unwed mothers and see no problem with broken homes.

They think it's normal.
So they go on perpetuating bad family values.

In fact... the worse the other scenario, the better they look.

Wrong.

My parents are together. There has never been a divorce in my family.

I do not think broken homes are a good idea at all. But how exactly is a gay family "broken"? That makes no sense at all.

You can't even get an insult correct can you?

Where is the MOTHER and FATHER in your gay house?
The mother of your grandchild is an Easy Bake Oven that shows the child that thats all women are good for.

The child LIVES that fact because moms not there.... two guys that poke each other up the arse are.

[Fred75]

Gay men are WRONG for parenting....
http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/img/1137_12_23_2008.jpg

[DanMc]

I've come to the conclusion that Fred is computer generated and doesn't exist at all.

It's just a program that cobbles together random bits about easybake ovens, Real Men, broken homes, single mothes, faggots, stepfathers, unpaid whores, etc and posts it like one of those spam robots that sends in adverts about Nike, jewellery and stuff.

No wonder replying gets you knowhere and the same thing gets posted again in a weeks time - you're replying to a machine!

[Fred75]

That does not compute!

[The Colonel]

I'm also a 100% heterosexual male. I believe people are born with one sexual orientation or the other (or both as the case may be). Why should gay/lesbian couple be denied any of the rights and privileges that are offered to heterosexual couples?

I agree with chrisvet and cambridge: what two consenting human adults do is none of my business as long as they are not infringing upon my rights and privileges.

Because saying that gay couples are all equal is to say that they are equally fit to raise a child.

And that is not so.
A child needs to see how to live and love the opposite sex and raise children just the same.

To say two lesbian women are the equal of a man and woman is to tell society and children that a father is not needed.
Is that a message you want have a small boy learn and then grow up and live by abandoning his children?

I can see all sides of this argument (I'm straight by the way)

Everyone is attacking Fred's viewpoint and i can see why, but i can also see what Fred's saying. This is a difficult issue. In an ideal world children would be brought up by one man and one woman, for balance. But this is not an ideal world - far from it. I have gay friends that are longing for children and I feel they'll do a great job. There are plenty of hetero couples that are bloody awful parents - even criminal.

I believe gay couples should be allowed to marry. They should have the same legal rights and protection. I believe that as long as they're investigated properly along the same lines as prospective adoptive parents, they should be allowed raise children. (i speak as an adopted person).

So, I agree with the general consensus on this thread but I don't think you're being fair to Fred - some of his points aren't as crazy as you make out.

It's simple... the ones failing to se my point are most likely products of divorce or unwed mothers and see no problem with broken homes.

They think it's normal.
So they go on perpetuating bad family values.

In fact... the worse the other scenario, the better they look.

Wrong.

My parents are together. There has never been a divorce in my family.

I do not think broken homes are a good idea at all. But how exactly is a gay family "broken"? That makes no sense at all.

You can't even get an insult correct can you?

Where is the MOTHER and FATHER in your gay house?
The mother of your grandchild is an Easy Bake Oven that shows the child that thats all women are good for.

The child LIVES that fact because moms not there.... two guys that poke each other up the arse are.

Are you the bloke they arrested in Austria?

[Cambridge]

Could be…he does support close familial relationships. (Oh, that was so bad of me.)

[The Colonel]

Could be…he does support close familial relationships. (Oh, that was so bad of me.)

That was very good!