Global warming as a religion NOT a science.

[KiltyCol]

Why around 1980, were scientists scare mongering that there would be another ice age?

If man made CO2 was really the problem, we would try to reduce everyone's CO2 production. Taxation only stops poor people from producing CO2, whilst it becomes a status symbol for the rich to have high CO2 emission cars.
In the USA, they may have bigger CO2 producing cars, but their exhaust smells far less than British cars and they don't seem to produce the visible carcinogenic exhaust clouds that you see in the UK, so you don't need to shut the ventilation/recirc as often in the USA, as a defence against the exhaust of the vehicle in front .

[Guest]

People have to learn they can't believe some piece of crap article written by a nobody and posted on the internet. That's something any of us can do, but it doesn't make it true.

They've proven global warming is happening .................there's even a hole in the ozone layer.

Don't know why conservatives deny that it's happening .......really dumb to ignore such a serious problem

What will it take to wake them up , some eco disaster?

It has been definitively proven now. There's been several articles on the news showing HUGE chunks of Antarctic ice that have broken off.
All the scientists who are saying global warming is crap have vested interests in businesses such as oil companies.

[Guest]

Interesting article on how climate change may affect the continental shelf and spread tidal waves across the U.K, destroying the North East and South England.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 23027.html

[Tufts]

OP is a major case of tl;dr

[Nefarious]

Refer to the comment I made on the 3rd page, date and time posted: 28 Oct 2007 04:45

Perhaps a little prescient of our current economic gloom?

[Nefarious]

BTW, someone was telling me today that there is a new theory out about why the planet is warming. They are finding that polar ice caps are also melting on Mars and that all of the planets are warming - so it is not just the earth. The theory is the sun is going through a phase of being hotter, but also something to do with gravitational cycles. We don't just go around but also - more gradually - up and down - and every 3000 years or so this makes a difference to the planet.

That being the case, then it weakens the man made argument, which in turn weakens the justification of new taxes to reduce emissions.

However, what does not change is that the world is polluted, over-populated, under-resourced and persisting with a system dependent on diminishing resources will only lead to resource based wars.

So renewable energy, sustainable crop building and population control are all still very much relevant goals.

[azraelle]

BTW, someone was telling me today that there is a new theory out about why the planet is warming. They are finding that polar ice caps are also melting on Mars and that all of the planets are warming - so it is not just the earth. The theory is the sun is going through a phase of being hotter, but also something to do with gravitational cycles. We don't just go around but also - more gradually - up and down - and every 3000 years or so this makes a difference to the planet.

That being the case, then it weakens the man made argument, which in turn weakens the justification of new taxes to reduce emissions.

However, what does not change is that the world is polluted, over-populated, under-resourced and persisting with a system dependent on diminishing resources will only lead to resource based wars.

So renewable energy, sustainable crop building and population control are all still very much relevant goals.

See The Horizon Project, for example.

[Nefarious]

Great - the world is coming to an end - send us $24.95 to find out about it. I guess consumerism isn't coming to an end anytime soon

[billy69]

that there is global warming i don't doubt - bring it on - its too cold most of the time in uk - but the scare monger / political crap of man made contribution effects is just another story to justify tax rises and way of life changes by the zealots of our societies - to them i say - f*** off - get a real life and go and invent another 'religion' that doesn't bother anyone

[tidho]

that there is global warming i don't doubt - bring it on - its too cold most of the time in uk - but the scare monger / political crap of man made contribution effects is just another story to justify tax rises and way of life changes by the zealots of our societies - to them i say - f*** off - get a real life and go and invent another 'religion' that doesn't bother anyone

That's pretty accurate. Certainly man's activity is warming the planet, it just makes sense. If you burn fossil fuels the atmosphere will get hotter. However, our impact is in no way significant and climate change dominated by the effects of solar activity.

Here is the US Obama wants to push through a carbon cap program on manufacturers. If you're from another country and don't know what that is, all you really have to know is that you're in luck more American manufacturing jobs will be coming your way soon.

[KiltyCol]

If any government introduces carbon caps, they should apply them equally to rich and poor. So far, taxation only stop poor people producing CO2, while the rich can carry on doing what they like.
Taxation is not a fair way of dealing with the problem, if indeed, it is right to cut CO2 in any case. It only penalises the poor.

However, there are a few things certain in life:- Birth, Death, TAXES, Love and War.

[tidho]

If any government introduces carbon caps, they should apply them equally to rich and poor. So far, taxation only stop poor people producing CO2, while the rich can carry on doing what they like.
Taxation is not a fair way of dealing with the problem, if indeed, it is right to cut CO2 in any case. It only penalises the poor.

However, there are a few things certain in life:- Birth, Death, TAXES, Love and War.

CO2 caps hurt everyone, it isn't a rich and poor issue. Even if you can afford to pay them, companies still have stockholders to deal with and managerial goals on profitability.

If the government adds this expense to manufacturs, they aren't going to eat that cost. They'll either raise their prices (if the market will allow), slash jobs to offset the cost, or move their operations to where the cost of doing business is cheaper.

The government needs to stop playing chicken with corporations. We live in a global economy and the government consistently makes it more difficult to do busines here. Everyone loses when jobs are lost...wellexcept maybe the Democratic Party.

[Guest]

Not a result of carbon emissions?

[KiltyCol]

I have just become all environmental.

I am aiming to keep my carbon footprint at least 10% less than that of Prince Charles. Well that's good for starters! I might do even better next year.

acrockags seems to have got lost and posted in the wrong thread!

[Guest]

Ockrokag = Douche