How can lesbian parents make good parents?

[noodles]

What about the rights of the child? The child of any gay couple is going to have to face derision and mockery by other children at school.

I used to get picked on at school - for various reasons. My parents were together and straight. In the news over the past few months there have been chidren whov hanged themselves to get away from the daily torment of bullies - there parents were straight. One of the girls i mentioned earlier was not bullied at school - her parents are gay. Kids will bully regardless - fact of life.

Its the monitoring of bullying that needs to improve and education around it. There is no excuse for it regardless of what difference is bieng picked on.

When at school kids were bullied for the following off the top of my head - ginger, wore glasses, had limp, mum has dissability, class difference, mole on face, speech problem, large forehead, overweight, unfashionable clothing, the wrong trainers, didn't drink alcohol, worked hard in class, got good grades, dad was a vicar, mum was a prostitue (although no-one ever really knew whether this was true), gippos (thats what they were called anyway), acting gay (effeminate boy).......................and it goes on.

What would you do if your child was bullying a kid with gay parents? How would you feel about it? Would you think it was the gay parents fault for having kids? Or would you deal with your child in the same way that you would if they were picking on an overweight or ginger child, or maybe a child from a travelling family? Do you differentiate between difference when it comes to bullying? Is some bullying understandable to you and some not?

You are just adding to your list another reason for a child to be bullied if it has gay parents.
Please think about the poor child.
The child's needs must always come first, not the whim of gay parents.

Im doing no such thing. You are trying to justify your own homophobia by hidign behind child bullies (how sad). THE BULLYING IS THE PROBLEM HERE!!!! The list for bullies is an endless one.

[Guest]

exhibitionist

[noodles]

Who's an exhibitionist?

Why should I not have children? And who the hell is anyone to tell me that my children will be x, y, and z simply by being born into my family? Who are you or anyone to tell me that unless Im a straight woman I dont actually deserve to have children and that a child doesnt deserve the love i have to give. Its the same as saying ginger haired parents are most likely to have a ginger child therefore they shouldnt have kids cause the kid will probably get picked on. Pleeease, get over yourselves

[Guest]

Who's an exhibitionist?

Why should I not have children? And who the hell is anyone to tell me that my children will be x, y, and z simply by being born into my family? Who are you or anyone to tell me that unless Im a straight woman I dont actually deserve to have children and that a child doesnt deserve the love i have to give. Its the same as saying ginger haired parents are most likely to have a ginger child therefore they shouldnt have kids cause the kid will probably get picked on. Pleeease, get over yourselves

Ya.
Who's right is it not to allow men who like to have sex with boy's to adopt!

[Gladys]

What about the rights of the child? The child of any gay couple is going to have to face derision and mockery by other children at school.

I used to get picked on at school - for various reasons. My parents were together and straight. In the news over the past few months there have been chidren whov hanged themselves to get away from the daily torment of bullies - there parents were straight. One of the girls i mentioned earlier was not bullied at school - her parents are gay. Kids will bully regardless - fact of life.

Its the monitoring of bullying that needs to improve and education around it. There is no excuse for it regardless of what difference is bieng picked on.

When at school kids were bullied for the following off the top of my head - ginger, wore glasses, had limp, mum has dissability, class difference, mole on face, speech problem, large forehead, overweight, unfashionable clothing, the wrong trainers, didn't drink alcohol, worked hard in class, got good grades, dad was a vicar, mum was a prostitue (although no-one ever really knew whether this was true), gippos (thats what they were called anyway), acting gay (effeminate boy).......................and it goes on.

What would you do if your child was bullying a kid with gay parents? How would you feel about it? Would you think it was the gay parents fault for having kids? Or would you deal with your child in the same way that you would if they were picking on an overweight or ginger child, or maybe a child from a travelling family? Do you differentiate between difference when it comes to bullying? Is some bullying understandable to you and some not?

You are just adding to your list another reason for a child to be bullied if it has gay parents.
Please think about the poor child.
The child's needs must always come first, not the whim of gay parents.

Im doing no such thing. You are trying to justify your own homophobia by hidign behind child bullies (how sad). THE BULLYING IS THE PROBLEM HERE!!!! The list for bullies is an endless one.

Of course bullying is the problem here and as I said before you are adding to the problems that the child will face at school.

Please put the welfare of the child first and try not to silence the debate with your childish insult of homophobia.

[Guest]

Please put the welfare of the child first and try not to silence the debate with your childish insult of homophobia.

Gladys dear, you seem to have a problem absorbing information.

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

I bet your kids were humiliated many times having you as a parent.
Did you consider adopting them out so they didnt have to suffer? No?
So you didnt think of the child first?

You may be old Gladys but your brain is very under-developed.

[Guest]

Marlena wrote[That was basically my perspective[/quote]

They would also be ridiculed for having a parent who was a prisoner or who was married to one.

[Gladys]

Please put the welfare of the child first and try not to silence the debate with your childish insult of homophobia.

Gladys dear, you seem to have a problem absorbing information.

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

I bet your kids were humiliated many times having you as a parent.
Did you consider adopting them out so they didnt have to suffer? No?
So you didnt think of the child first?

You may be old Gladys but your brain is very under-developed.

Why don't you keep to the topic?

Tell my why do you want to subject a child to mockery and derision?

[Guest]

Who's an exhibitionist?

Why should I not have children? And who the hell is anyone to tell me that my children will be x, y, and z simply by being born into my family? Who are you or anyone to tell me that unless Im a straight woman I dont actually deserve to have children and that a child doesnt deserve the love i have to give. Its the same as saying ginger haired parents are most likely to have a ginger child therefore they shouldnt have kids cause the kid will probably get picked on. Pleeease, get over yourselves

Manichean nihilist.

[noodles]

What about the rights of the child? The child of any gay couple is going to have to face derision and mockery by other children at school.

That was basically my perspective........ but ***h*** could still occur. Only time will tell.

Oh that old chestnut! so we're back onto gays are actually all peodophiles? Really - some of you people need to get yourselves some education on the topics you no nothing about.

[Guest]

subversive, anarchist, "know nothing"

[noodles]

Please put the welfare of the child first and try not to silence the debate with your childish insult of homophobia.

Gladys dear, you seem to have a problem absorbing information.

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

I bet your kids were humiliated many times having you as a parent.
Did you consider adopting them out so they didnt have to suffer? No?
So you didnt think of the child first?

You may be old Gladys but your brain is very under-developed.

Why don't you keep to the topic?

Tell my why do you want to subject a child to mockery and derision?

You are the one that is refusing to actually have an open discussion here. I totally admit that gay parents are one reason amongst hundreds that may single out a child for mockery but as iv said the list is endless. And if you want to play to the endless list and therefore the bullies then NO-ONE should have children just in case.

You have no viewpoint at all that doesnt hide behind other peoples negativity. Your views on gay people and your percieved superiority is magnified more and more as you try pathetically to enter any kind of debate. Your argument (and i say argument casue so far i think theres only been one and thats actually about what other people might think) is hollow.

Learn a little - go on, open your mind - it doesnt hurt.

So Gladys - what do YOU think about gay people parenting? Lets forget the bullying cause that can happen to ANY kid. Lets get to the bare bones of it for YOU - what is it REALLY that makes you feel so uncomfortable? Try not to hide behind the childs wefare when you answer. I've said previously that you have nothing to worry about with that - I KNOW kids in this situation who are far from damaged.

If you find this hard lets say strip everything away - bullying doesnt exist - are you still uncomfortable about it?

[noodles]

What about the rights of the child? The child of any gay couple is going to have to face derision and mockery by other children at school.

That was basically my perspective........ but ***h*** could still occur. Only time will tell.

Oh that old chestnut! so we're back onto gays are actually all peodophiles? Really - some of you people need to get yourselves some education on the topics you no nothing about.

Perhaps I should mention I had a gay best friend for years not to mention other gay and bisexual men I know failry well. Not one of them had not been molested - by a man when they were children. Unfortunaely many who were molested as children turn out to be molesters when they grow up....... or so psychologists say. I certainly know for a fact that is not true of all of them. Yet it is a possiblitly.

Some psychologists agree, some see the sexual abuse going onto sexual abusing as a myth, although there will be a cross-over sometimes, just as with stright parents who sexually abuse thier kids. My point however was what has bieng molested as a child got to do with homosexuality and indeed lesbians as parents?

[noodles]

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Some psychologists agree, some see the sexual abuse going onto sexual abusing as a myth, although there will be a cross-over sometimes, just as with stright parents who sexually abuse thier kids. My point however was what has bieng molested as a child got to do with homosexuality and indeed lesbians as parents?

You cannot put lesbians in a different category.
Gay men will not allow it.

Molested children have all sorts of problems..
ranging form crime to becoming street whores.

Im hoping you know what you're talking about cause your post is as clear as mud to me?

[jennyd60]

I hate to throw a spanner in the works here... but has anyone considered that all Lesbians and Gays were once children too?

...and we sometimes need foster homes that can provide a suitable role model and loving support rather than ones where we would be effectively bullied and mentally tortured by people who don't understand that we are made the way we are and we DO NOT WANT someone trying to STRAIGTEN US OUT just so that we can fit in with their narrow world view.

Not all children are destined to be straight you know and speaking from my own experience many of us become aware of our destiny from a very early age.

Fortunately my own parents were very accepting - but for me it was a matter of considerable angst after my father died that if something had happened to my mother before I attained the age of majority I might easily have ended up being fostered by people of less understanding...

So my view is that you should never say never. It really depends on the people and the child involved and anyone who tries to make hard and fast rules simply doesn't understand the many complexities of human life.

People are ultimately many and varied - we all have our own lived to lead and it simply is NOT fair to try and BULLY a young child into either being straight or gay/lesbian. That is a discovery that they AND ONLY THEY have the right to make for themselves.