How porn affects women

[Curvey_Brunette]

Is there any point in carrying on with this sad abuse?

Sad abuse?

Sorry but he's asking for all he gets.

Read a few threads he's posted to and then ask yourself who's the antagonist

Mog is a nasty, spiteful, vindictive little boy who criticise others and whines about the way he's treat while doing his best to appear superior to others.

He's PM'ed me a few times and his abuse towards me in the forums started after I stopped answering his PM's.

He's still hurling abuse at others in other threads, such as questioning if someone is on drugs after failing to get a response out of me. To 1 post I made telling him I've had enough of him and I'm not going to respond to him again, he made several abusive posts towards me in answer to the same post!

Is that the act of innocence?

If you want to defend him that's fine, you take care of him and you talk to him and make him realise what he's doing to himself if you're so fond of him.

Or perhaps you yourself are just looking for someone to attack on the back of the so called 'abuse' he's getting?

[Gypsum Salt]

Curvey_Brunette, a few posts ago, you said-

Can we draw the line here please?

This is getting out of hand now.

And

End of story hopefully

I, possibly incorrectly, concluded that you wanted an end to the bickering. That was the point I was also making in my post, a request to end the hostilities- plain and simple.

Adam’s response was pretty negative, one hardly likely to restore any sense of calm, hence my second post.

As I have said, I too have disagreed with Mogadishu very vehemently. However there was never any need for petty vindictiveness.

If you want to defend him that's fine, you take care of him and you talk to him and make him realise what he's doing to himself if you're so fond of him.

To use your words, I’m not fond of Mogadishu but nor do I dislike him (?).

This is an internet forum and I don’t (at least I try not to) personalize my dealings with people here as I might in real life.

I saw mog’s post asking if someone was on drugs.

Whereas you interpret that as abuse, I genuinely doubt that. Don’t you think that could have been a genuine question? Or, at the very worst, a sarcastic comment?

I think that people are taking comments way too personally and not looking at them objectively and thus reacting in the way they do.

Or perhaps you yourself are just looking for someone to attack on the back of the so called 'abuse' he's getting?

Why do you say that?

I’m not attacking you or anyone else at all. I know little of you, but a quick skim through some of your posts, tells me that you are both intelligent and erudite. I certainly have no problem with you.

I get the sense that you too are tired of petty squabbles.

If that is the case and if it’s become impossible to debate things with particular individuals without matters becoming personal, then maybe it’s time just to the adult thing and walk away from a thread.











Gypsum

[Curvey_Brunette]

Although I do agree with the bulk of what you say Gypsum, I do have to say that yes, this is an Internet forum and as with real life, you'll find people who disagree and who will resort to 'button pushing' to try and play people.

Had you of read the thread in the other forum I'd started, you'd find he kicked off because I wouldn't go off topic with him and let him change the thread to one about human rights instead of what the point of the thread was about.

He's done the same here, he's taken the whole thread off topic and has launched a personal attack on me because I refused to collude with him on others in PM.

His stance is very clearly, (and this isn't just with me, but with anyone who dares to disagree with him), that he is superior to everyone, that his posts are rational and intelligent, (despite the fact he struggles to spell and doesn't have the attention span to spell check his posts before hitting the "Post" button), while others posts are stupid.

I now no longer read his more lengthy posts and I won't respond to him again.

I've taken the adult and mature position, if I don't like it then I don't read it or I simply ignore it.

Anyone who can't debate what a thread is supposed to be about, anyone who can't cope with their posts being challenged shouldn't post if they are that fragile.

At the end of the day, petty squabbling and bickering is going to happen on every forum. Often that will degenerate into guess work personal attacks and immature efforts to push peoples buttons. It's part and parcel of forums.

[mogadishu]

He's PM'ed me a few times and his abuse towards me in the forums started after I stopped answering his PM's.

Now this made my blood boil. Tell the whole story, Curvey, if you tell it at all. You were engaged in a very heated argument with a far right activist. I pm'd you to warn you not get on the wrong side of him. You replied, I acknowledged you response. That was it. It did not cross my mind that you should respond again, nor did I particularly wish you to. I pm'd you out of concern; now you're trying to turn it round as if I'm some sort of spurned lover.

FYI, I'm a female. Rather puts Adam's calling me a sad/retarded/waste of skin and oxygen/wan-ker/tw-at on the one hand and talking out against bullying and misogynistic abuse on the other into perspective, doesn't it. Is that the sort of person who has the 'classiness' you go on about at such length??

Now - saying someone has a superior attitude is not "abuse". You have said the same of me. I personally don't see it in myself, but I respect your right to hold that opinion of me. Calling someone stupid, a wan-ker, tw-at, waste of space, waste of skin and oxygen, is abusive. You overlook all that using the hypocritical excuse that I deserved it, yet when I suggest adam's rants are so unbalanced that they make him look like he's on drugs you start complaining again.

I exposed Adam's ignorance about his subject matter in the other thread. He thumped his fist and said he wanted the human rights act repealed. How? He didn't know. But he seemed so annoyed that it had been pointed out that he didn't know that he went on this rampage of vile, and frankly, pathetic, abuse.

And you, who I should have thought would have been above joining in, did just that, because in spite of the fact he sounded psychotic, in spite of the fact he was using the same "acceptance/attention seeking" tactics you mocked another poster for, in spite of his vile language, in spite of the fact he was hiding behind a the guest mantle - which you've previously spoken out against, in spite of the fact he has shown himself to be a pathetic bully, he was trying to get back (in a rather pathetic way) at someone who had tried to point out to you (rather reasonably) that you do tend to adopt a superior attitude when talking to those who don't hold the same views as you.

Now, this thread concerns itself with how pornography affects women. At least four posters have tried to get it back on track. If you want to discuss this subject, you are welcome to stay. If not, please leave, so that the rest of us can discuss this in peace.

[mogadishu]

He's done the same here, he's taken the whole thread off topic and has launched a personal attack on me because I refused to collude with him on others in PM.

Complete lies from start to finish. Here is the pm in question:

Hi Curvey,

Be a bit careful around [name of poster]. he subscribes to [name of URL]
I'm never sure what he's going to do or say next...

Like I say, I did this out of concern. I NEVER thought I'd one day have produce the pm in forum to defend myself. Why did I bother?

and this isn't just with me, but with anyone who dares to disagree with him), that he is superior to everyone, that his posts are rational and intelligent, (despite the fact he struggles to spell and doesn't have the attention span to spell check his posts before hitting the "Post" button), while others posts are stupid.

Again, complete lies. You're saying this to someone with whom I had a disagreement running to over 20 pages. It was an emotive topic, and we got frustrated, each side deeming the other to be unduly intransigent, but I never consdered myself to be superior to those with whom I disagreed. Further, I never felt the need to characrise my opponents (or their posts) as anything other than rational and intelligent. Recently I mentioned to Gyp that I thought she had been right about the matter, and I wrong. And i don't have any problem with that, contrary to all the things you've decided to start making up about me.

I've taken the adult and mature position

God help me. This woman has the self-awareness of a snail.

[Guest]

FYI, I'm a female.

Young + female + attractive.

[Guest]

God help me. This woman has the self-awareness of a snail.

ur beyond the help of god

u don't try 2 belittle people or start slanging matches eh?

y u making 2 posts to curvy's 1 post that was about u no 2 u?

it woldnt b because ur trying 2 draw her out into making a response woul it?

u ask curvey to leave if she's not going 2 post on topic while making a post off topic and adding another antagonisiticoff topic post to inflame the situation.

look at the things uve said:

Do you guys have any idea what you're taslking about?

you make the same unsophisticated point over and over

simplistic drivel.

you're whinging, and offering no practical solution

Utter drivel.

i call your remarks drivel

do you just want to whinge about how unfair it is

(and you are whinging, btw)

still, still presuming to pass judgment on others from a superior standpoint

is anyone supposed to have missed the fact you had a temper tantrum and stormed off

your unthinking (and ill-informed) viewpoints are grating

You know nothing about the Human Rights Act

You may feel very assured in your own superiority, but it just seems like a lack of self-knowledge to me.

Bull. You sound like you're making this up as you go along.

You seem to be struggling to understand the concept of final comment. Inter alia.

You're patholgically incapable of accepting the intelligence of a viewpoint contrary to your own

... Are you on drugs?

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all that is just from 1 thread

of course ure innocent in all this are u mog?

i don't believe ur female either, you dont even crwate a weak impression of a female. reading ur posts, i think ure a misogynistic thug who makes a hell of a lot of spelling mstakes

[Guest]

Well why don't we let people see for themselves, shall we? So they can see it was mild in response to what I was getting every time I tried to broaden the discussion. So they can see, for example that I asked you if you were on drugs after you'd asked me if i was junkie and had called me stupid etc etc.:

Click here for the context. Now quit following me round. I find you to be a thoroughly unpleasant, immature individual, and as you dislike me too (and I wouldn't have it any other way) I suggest you stop trolling here and spoiling it for those of us who want to talk about the actual subject in question.

[Guest]

He's done the same here, he's taken the whole thread off topic and has launched a personal attack on me because I refused to collude with him on others in PM.

Complete lies from start to finish. Here is the pm in question:

Hi Curvey,

Be a bit careful around [name of poster]. he subscribes to [name of URL]
I'm never sure what he's going to do or say next...

Like I say, I did this out of concern. I NEVER thought I'd one day have produce the pm in forum to defend myself. Why did I bother?

and this isn't just with me, but with anyone who dares to disagree with him), that he is superior to everyone, that his posts are rational and intelligent, (despite the fact he struggles to spell and doesn't have the attention span to spell check his posts before hitting the "Post" button), while others posts are stupid.

Again, complete lies. You're saying this to someone with whom I had a disagreement running to over 20 pages. It was an emotive topic, and we got frustrated, each side deeming the other to be unduly intransigent, but I never consdered myself to be superior to those with whom I disagreed. Further, I never felt the need to characrise my opponents (or their posts) as anything other than rational and intelligent. Recently I mentioned to Gyp that I thought she had been right about the matter, and I wrong. And i don't have any problem with that, contrary to all the things you've decided to start making up about me.

[mogadishu]

Women are more likely to hide it according to the same study.

how do you qualify that, when men try to hide it all the time?

Bah, I don't doubt the studies, but I have great suspicion of the conclusions and motivation of the study authors.

admittedly, it's hard to find someone who is neutral on this topic.

In one study over 50% of "promise keepers" have looked at porn in the last week... is this bad? These are some of the most moral and ethical people in the USA.

maybe they're not? i'm not saying that looking at porn makes them unethical, but maybe some of them weren't that moral to start with?

In yet another study Denmark has virtually no sales of pornography! Why? Because they can go to the local park to look at naked people.. why should they pay for skin?

hmm.

This whole topic can't be resolved until some corrolation or preferably causation between something everyone can agree is "bad" and pornography can be draw. I submit if 50% of promise keepers and at -least- 60% of devote Christians are looking at porn, maybe porn appreciation should be a required course in highschools!

I... think not. But if it really is that hard to stop looking at it, maybe that fact should be acknowledged by the church. I seemed to remember a high proportion of pastors struggle with it, from something I was reading somewhere.

[Guest]

Women are more likely to hide it according to the same study.

how do you qualify that, when men try to hide it all the time?

Bah, I don't doubt the studies, but I have great suspicion of the conclusions and motivation of the study authors.

admittedly, it's hard to find someone who is neutral on this topic.

In one study over 50% of "promise keepers" have looked at porn in the last week... is this bad? These are some of the most moral and ethical people in the USA.

maybe they're not? i'm not saying that looking at porn makes them unethical, but maybe some of them weren't that moral to start with?

In yet another study Denmark has virtually no sales of pornography! Why? Because they can go to the local park to look at naked people.. why should they pay for skin?

hmm.

This whole topic can't be resolved until some corrolation or preferably causation between something everyone can agree is "bad" and pornography can be draw. I submit if 50% of promise keepers and at -least- 60% of devote Christians are looking at porn, maybe porn appreciation should be a required course in highschools!

I... think not. But if it really is that hard to stop looking at it, maybe that fact should be acknowledged by the church. I seemed to remember a high proportion of pastors struggle with it, from something I was reading somewhere.

lolololololololololol

nice try but u cant undo what ure done

[mogadishu]

I wouldn't want to, Adam. I'm merely trying to get you to stop ruining this thread for everyone. Your stalking is utterly obsessive. If you notice, other parties intermittently keep trying to get the thread back on topic when you're not making them feel awkward by continuing to kick up a stink.

Like I say, you want to drag another thread into this one: now they have the link where they can make up their own minds about who exactly was right and wrong in "drug addicts win cash" (if they're not yet bored to tears by it).

So let the people who want this thread to actually be about porn get back in it, without having to listen to you trolling all day. Noone's enjoying what you're doing.

[Gypsum Salt]

And lets try and draw a line in the sand right here.

Everyone (members and guests alike), no more recriminations, bitterness or name calling.


OK?









Gypsum

[mogadishu]

Cool.

[Guest]

I wouldn't want to, Adam.

u think im adam????
hahahahahahahahahahaha!

u owe him an apology for that