How porn affects women

[Guest]

if the issue is with the dominant, oppressive aspect of pornography, then don't buy porn that has those elements. At it's root, porn is just the depiction of sex. and I don't see anything inherently wrong with depiction of sex.

What about stuff like lesbian porn, or gay porn, or amateur or voyeur porn?

It's all evil because it shows bodies naked. This leads to lust which leads to sin which leads to the fiery depths of a black and fiery place of eternal torment for the damned the darkest abode of those that frolic, revel and riot.

[elliott20]

It's all evil because it shows bodies naked. This leads to lust which leads to sin which leads to the fiery depths of a black and fiery place of eternal torment for the damned the darkest abode of those that frolic, revel and riot.

sounds like fun. Is there a sign up sheet for that?

[Guest]

It's all evil because it shows bodies naked. This leads to lust which leads to sin which leads to the fiery depths of a black and fiery place of eternal torment for the damned the darkest abode of those that frolic, revel and riot.

sounds like fun. Is there a sign up sheet for that?

lol.

[Guest]

if the issue is with the dominant, oppressive aspect of pornography, then don't buy porn that has those elements. At it's root, porn is just the depiction of sex. and I don't see anything inherently wrong with depiction of sex.

What about stuff like lesbian porn, or gay porn, or amateur or voyeur porn?

It's all evil because it shows bodies naked. This leads to lust which leads to sin which leads to the fiery depths of a black and fiery place of eternal torment for the damned the darkest abode of those that frolic, revel and riot.

How idiotic. it's wrong because -

1. it means men think it's ok to cheat in a relationship
2. it devalues women
3. it treats them as objects
4. it warps men's views of sex. a lot of men gradually change the way they treat women in response to looking at it.

[Guest]

1. it means men think it's ok to cheat in a relationship

I put up with your worship of Colin Farrell and your giggle at a nude scene with Arnold in a sauna. Are you going to leave me for them? Hell yes if they asked. Would I leave you for a Page 6 girl? Hell no. I wouldn't screw her just because she was on page 6.

2. it devalues women

Some women do that to themselves. You don't need pornography to learn that lesson.

3. it treats them as objects

Men don't need to do that. Women do it to themselves every time they buy a Gucci bag, put on too much makeup and every time they dig into the back pocket of their dates for a dinner and movie hoping they will get the guy to screw them later.

4. it warps men's views of sex. a lot of men gradually change the way they treat women in response to looking at it.

If we did warp our views of sex you wouldn't mind at all. When was the last time a guy had sex with you like a porn star? I would hazard a guess it has been a very very long time.

I put up with your worship of Colin Farrell and your giggle at a nude scene with Arnold in a sauna. Are you going to leave me for them? Hell yes if they asked.

bullshit. i'm not remotely partial to either one, but you think I would leave a man i loveed for some twobit film star? how shallow are you?

Would I leave you for a Page 6 girl? Hell no. I wouldn't screw her just because she was on page 6.

gpoing by your logic, presumably you would if you had half a chance.

2. it devalues women

Some women do that to themselves. You don't need pornography to learn that lesson.

that doesn't change the fact that pornography does it to them as well.

3. it treats them as objects

Men don't need to do that. Women do it to themselves every time they buy a Gucci bag, put on too much makeup and every time they dig into the back pocket of their dates for a dinner and movie hoping they will get the guy to screw them later.

[Guest]

bullshit. i'm not remotely partial to either one, but you think I would leave a man i loveed for some twobit film star? how shallow are you?

Good for you. I'm exactly as shallow as you.

gpoing by your logic, presumably you would if you had half a chance.

You obviously don't know what logic is.

that doesn't change the fact that pornography does it to them as well.

No it doesn't, not unless you make sexuality more dirty or degrading than any other form of work. That's your problem and yes I think you have a problem with this.

Completely trying to side step the point. it treats them as dumb objects.

It treats them as willing participants in something most people enjoy doing anyway. If the women are dumb, the male actors are just as "dumb". In fact any acting is dumb, I agree, but for some reason we keep watching it. It's called entertainment.

what rubbish. you wouldn't get men asking to do weird things they'd seen on porn films if it didn't. you wouldn't have phenomena like porn addiction. and yes, I do mind! ps. please cut out all this "we" and "you" childish crap.

First which wierd things are you talking about? Enjoying sex? I don't know what porn you have watched, if any, but you're not watching the same stuff I have.

There is no we.

[Guest]

Good for you. I'm exactly as shallow as you.

god forbid. no way.

You obviously don't know what logic is.

i think i do.

No it doesn't, not unless you make sexuality more dirty or degrading than any other form of work. That's your problem and yes I think you have a problem with this.

porn doesn't degrade women? a film with a title like "XXX rated s-luts in action" doesn't degrade women? if it doesn't would you be happy for a female relative of yours to be called an x-rated slut? what planet are you on?

It treats them as willing participants in something most people enjoy doing anyway. If the women are dumb, the male actors are just as "dumb". In fact any acting is dumb, I agree, but for some reason we keep watching it. It's called entertainment.

yes, but most don't enjoy that context. and certainly most women outside porn don't enjoy it. women enjoy being prostituted? that's what you are claiming.

[Guest]

porn doesn't degrade women? a film with a title like "XXX rated s-luts in action" doesn't degrade women? if it doesn't would you be happy for a female relative of yours to be called an x-rated slut? what planet are you on?

I wouldn't watch a movie with that title, however I also wouldn't turn a relative out of my house for star'ing in a movie by that title. I also wouldn't turn a relative out of my house for having a naked scene in a movie. Where's the line drawn? "You know it when you see it"? I'm sorry, I don't trust your censorship.

Unlike you, I live in the real world where porn is a fact of life. With that fact in mind I would prefer those in the industry force the criminal aspects that creep in, out of the darkness and into the mainstream. If porn artists on drugs can't make a living and when spam and the computer hacking stops working I think the whole world is better off. I also support legalizing prostitution for the same reason, even if you're the one that brought it up.

yes, but most don't enjoy that context. and certainly most women outside porn don't enjoy it. women enjoy being prostituted? that's what you are claiming.

Who says most women don't like porn? Most can take it or leave it, just like most men can take it or leave it. Many women and (admittable more) men actively like porn. Porn is not prostitution though, it's acting and although acting has often been compared to prostitution, it's not the same thing.

If prostitution since you bring it up, was like any other job it would be a low class job. Lets face it, it's intimate to have a man inside you and possibly share fluids. That doesn't mean it should be banned, it should be regulated to ensure those that have to prostitute are protected. Is that clearer to you?

[Spike41m]

Once more, the intellects of femalefirst come a cropper in discussing a contentious issue. Not for the first time, it falls to a wiser man to raise a diplomatic voice.

Let us debunk the wretched feminist myths on which the anti-porn movement lives and breathes one by one:

Myth: A woman selling her body in front of a camera is somehow degrading to her
Fact: Women will never write a great symphony, or construct a great building. These spheres are the exclusive preserves of men. But one way she can attain greatness is to sell her body. Many are glad to do so!

Myth: Porn is cheating
Fact: Porn in fact deters each and every man from physically hooking up with the many blonde thin 20 yr old models at his disposal. Women should therefore be grateful to find their beloved in front of his computer with his pants around his ankles instead.

Myth: Porn skewers men's idea of female sexuality, by only admitting of an extremely limited age range of women
Fact: Middle aged women (those aged 27 and above) experience a change, however grudging, in their sexuality. The wise amongst them should be grateful their man's desires is satisfied with her more nubile sisters, or even take the opportunity to vent their own sapphic lusts. The few who maintain that women above this age range are capable of an autonomous sexuality of their own are frankly maladaptive.

Myth: Porn is indicative of women's second degree status in the western world, because women earn an average of 17% less than men for doing the same job
Fact: See above comments on women's only route to real greatness. At least porn provides one way to beat men in the pay race.

Myth: Porn devalues the intimacy a man and women share
Fact: It's just a depiction of sex, as Elliott so wisely pointed out!

Myth: Hetero porn is more harmful to women than gay male porn, because women are only ever valued while they're young and pretty. They can never hope to progress to the position of 'ck r' rather than 'fuckee'
Fact: Refer to limited nature of female achievements above!!!

Myth: Porn is demeaning to women, in implicitly valuing a woman's body to the exclusion of her mind
Fact: The idea that women's minds were ever especially valuable is a construct of political correctness, so no great loss.


Let us hope these gentle truths cure women of the feminist madness which appears to have taken hold of them in the last decade or so.

[elliott20]

How idiotic. it's wrong because -

1. it means men think it's ok to cheat in a relationship
2. it devalues women
3. it treats them as objects
4. it warps men's views of sex. a lot of men gradually change the way they treat women in response to looking at it.

1. I fail to see how what is essentially fantasy denotes that it's okay to cheat in a relationship. Would you consider it cheating if you were to drool over a male model?

2. In the same way that male strippers reduce a man down to his physical body and looks alone. Also, how does lesbian porn/gay porn factor into this for you?

3. see point 2, these are essentially saying the same thing.

4. In the absense of all other social interaction with women? that may be true. But most people who have a normal social life outside of just porn will probably realize that pornography is not reality, and should not be used as a guide as to what is normal in real life.

[Kalith]

How idiotic. it's wrong because -

1. it means men think it's ok to cheat in a relationship
2. it devalues women
3. it treats them as objects
4. it warps men's views of sex. a lot of men gradually change the way they treat women in response to looking at it.

1. I fail to see how what is essentially fantasy denotes that it's okay to cheat in a relationship. Would you consider it cheating if you were to drool over a male model?

2. In the same way that male strippers reduce a man down to his physical body and looks alone. Also, how does lesbian porn/gay porn factor into this for you?

3. see point 2, these are essentially saying the same thing.

4. In the absense of all other social interaction with women? that may be true. But most people who have a normal social life outside of just porn will probably realize that pornography is not reality, and should not be used as a guide as to what is normal in real life.

+1

[Guest]

my gf and i often watch porn...it gets us extra horny before we make love and it has given us some new ideas on positions and on fun, kinky sex like roleplay, etc.

lighten up, feminazis

[Guest]

1. I fail to see how what is essentially fantasy denotes that it's okay to cheat in a relationship. Would you consider it cheating if you were to drool over a male model?

i don't drool over male models. not my style. if i am with a man, i want to be with him in every way. that's unlike men who look at porn, who would quite happily sleep with every girl they look at if they could manage it.

In the same way that male strippers reduce a man down to his physical body and looks alone.

yes - and that is what i find so objectionable. 'stripping' is right - reducing him of his internal worth and everything he is about, to view him instead as basically a piece of meat.

how does lesbian porn/gay porn factor into this for you?

male gay porn is objectifying and degrading. but at last the person on the receiving end has a measure of autonomy in that he is catering to a sexuality he is partial to and understands (male sexuality). Women doing porn are often clueless as to the attraction of what they are doing, but servilely continue with it, in the hope of receiving affirmation from men. As one veeteran porn star said ' men will always want porn, and women will always do porn, but they'll never understand why'.

At least men in gay porn get an inkling of what it's like to be bombarded with images on every top shelf that imply you're ready to be put out to pasture in terms of sexual attractiveness once you're past 23. But middle aged men can go on to assume the dominant role in hetero porn. Women don't even get that. The average "career" for a woman lasts 18 months.

Lesbian porn? You can tell lesbo porn that has been produced for men. It is extremely stagey and contrived. I usually get the impression the girls there don't have a clue why they are there, and are very definitely putting on an act. Genuine lesbian porn made for lesbians by lesbians is often offputting to men, as indeed, are the realities of lesbian life.

But most people who have a normal social life outside of just porn will probably realize that pornography is not reality, and should not be used as a guide as to what is normal in real life.

Each and every man who has been or is addicted to porn is starting to 'alter' his perception of the dividing line between these two. Very often men do make sexually unwelcome comments in inappropriate settings...

[Guest]

that's unlike men who look at porn, who would quite happily sleep with every girl they look at if they could manage it.

That is such a lonely statement.

yes - and that is what i find so objectionable. 'stripping' is right - reducing him of his internal worth and everything he is about, to view him instead as basically a piece of meat.

But after the clothes are put back on, that stripper is either finishing up homework for college, or having a drink with his mates. How shallow to think of these people as animals.

Women doing porn are often clueless as to the attraction of what they are doing, but servilely continue with it, in the hope of receiving affirmation from men.

I'm so sorry... you need medical help.

Each and every man who has been or is addicted to porn is starting to 'alter' his perception of the dividing line between these two.

You have shown yourself unable to reconcile your feelings for men. Most if not all women (and men) go through this at one point or another in their lives. You'll recognize the anger for what it is and get over it I hope.

Genuine lesbian porn made for lesbians by lesbians is often offputting to men, as indeed, are the realities of lesbian life.

Men know this fact better than you do. Give up on your belief that you have us all worked out.

Very often men do make sexually unwelcome comments in inappropriate settings...

People make unwelcome comments every minute of the day.