How porn affects women

[Guest]

That is such a lonely statement.

No. Not remotely.

But after the clothes are put back on, that stripper is either finishing up homework for college, or having a drink with his mates. How shallow to think of these people as animals.

it's the viewers who think of them as animals. Many women are physically molested in the process of stripping. no that you appear to care.

I'm so sorry... you need medical help.

nonsense. nice work with attacking the poster when you can't attack the message.

You have shown yourself unable to reconcile your feelings for men. Most if not all women (and men) go through this at one point or another in their lives. You'll recognize the anger for what it is and get over it I hope.

go through what? what are you talking about? most women are addicted to porn? are you smoking crack?

Men know this fact better than you do. Give up on your belief that you have us all worked out.

if they really knew it , they wouldn't be able to suspend disbelief long enough to find it arousing.

People make unwelcome comments every minute of the day.

Oh. That's alright then.

[Guest]

it's the viewers who think of them as animals. Many women are physically molested in the process of stripping. no that you appear to care.

Mne who touch a stripper are lucky if they get out of the club with just a wrenched arm. You have no experiance in men's clubs and shouldn't claim to.

nonsense. nice work with attacking the poster when you can't attack the message.

That was not an attack at all. It was sympathy.

go through what? what are you talking about? most women are addicted to porn? are you smoking crack?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

if they really knew it , they wouldn't be able to suspend disbelief long enough to find it arousing.

Two women making love is erotic of course. A women alone is erotic and heck a few women and a few men is erotic too. My point all along is that porn is not real and people who watch it know it. People involved in porn or watching porn can enjoy it with no trauma whatsoever to their precious psych. It's real life that hurts people, not porn.

Oh. That's alright then.

No it isn't, but to put it in perspective any male making sexual comments is liable to be fired. Any women doing the same is likely to get a pay raise. (Gross generalization alert)

[Guest]

Mne who touch a stripper are lucky if they get out of the club with just a wrenched arm. You have no experiance in men's clubs and shouldn't claim to.

I don't claim to. I was basing my comments on an interview with a stripper who said that many times men made to grope her and worse (with impunity). try thinking about what sort of attitude to women that betrays. It's interesting that you talk ab out "men's" clubs though. Too right. Women are laying themselves bare, yet it's for the benefit of men.

That was not an attack at all. It was sympathy.

It was an attack. You continue to try and attack me with condescension. You have no right to look down on me.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

well, you said women and men all "go through this" at some point in their lives. it was a completely nonsensical remark .

Two women making love is erotic of course.

what are you classing as 'erotic'? two butch lesbians who look like men - quite a common reality ikn lesbian circles? or the contrived portrayals you see in hetero male porn of two blonde girls who often look like they aren't enjoying it?

People involved in porn or watching porn can enjoy it with no trauma whatsoever to their precious psych.

theoretically you can lose your oxygen tank on everest and come out of it with no trauma whatsoever to their precious psyche. the point is that that's NOT the experience of a lot of women who come out of it, and certainly the millions of women in the wider world who have to put up with these portrayals.

It's real life that hurts people, not porn.

and you were going on earlier about how porn is part of real life. which is it?

No it isn't, but to put it in perspective any male making sexual comments is liable to be fired.

on what about men on the street who do so with impunity? if all these porn users' perspectives on women are so healthy, how come one woman in three in britain has been sexually assaulted? what about the millions of men who become addicted to porn? how do they distinguish between porn and reAlity?

You seem to be in complete denial about how porn hurts women, because it serves you personally. That's fine, but at least have the decency to be honest about it.

[Guest]

Some mad man high on porn might look at you in a sexual manner?

[Guest]

see, it's this kind of reductionist denial that renders these conversations so difficult... last one was a man riding past on his bike saying "blow me! blow me!" before that some guy started following me as it was getting dark. it was quite sinister actually. but many women will likely tell you the same stories.

[Guest]

Must be the porn.

(reductionist alert)

[Guest]

see, it's this kind of reductionist denial that renders these conversations so difficult... last one was a man riding past on his bike saying "blow me! blow me!" before that some guy started following me as it was getting dark. it was quite sinister actually. but many women will likely tell you the same stories.

Most men can tell you about a women who... oh you know the cliches.

[elliott20]

Mne who touch a stripper are lucky if they get out of the club with just a wrenched arm. You have no experiance in men's clubs and shouldn't claim to.

I don't claim to. I was basing my comments on an interview with a stripper who said that many times men made to grope her and worse (with impunity). try thinking about what sort of attitude to women that betrays. It's interesting that you talk ab out "men's" clubs though. Too right. Women are laying themselves bare, yet it's for the benefit of men.

Actually, he's kind of right about that. Only the seediest places will let customers get away with the kind of behavior. In those cases, the issue is not the stripping. It's the culture.

And to be honest, this is more of a byproduct of the social values at large then anything else. But our society is all about the simplification of character, because our society is intellectual lazy when it can afford it. There in lies the appeal of porn. you're right, it's instant gratification. You don't have to worry about the performer's feelings, her thought processes, or really whether or not she's into her job at all. Because the consumption of such products are fundamentally an act of fantasy and these women are not seen as real. But there in lies the key. What is real and is fantasy is what makes the division.

Yes, when I look at porn or a pin up poster, I'm not there to appreciate the actress' intellect. But I certainly would not carry that same attitude towards women I interact with in real life. For one thing, the women I meet in real life are very much real to me, while the women in these works I may very well never meet. All they are is a fantasy that is consumed, and marked off. However, if I were to meet the actresses in person? I probably would treat her like I treat ANY celebrity, tongued tied and fumbly asking for an autograph and then moving on. (Of course, I use the word "celeb" loosely here)

Would I actually sleep with this person? Well, if I actually get along with them and we have chemistry, sure I would. If I was single, sure I would. She is, after all, attractive. But if I was with someone? Or better yet, somebody I love? Hell no then. But that's because I consider my relationship with my SO, which I have invested energy, time, and emotion into, to be a far better investment than sleeping with a woman that I hardly know and hardly understand beyond her highly choreographed and highly staged works.

And any man who cannot understand that has a far more serious issue with fidellity than with porn. In fact, how can you assume that a man would automatically sleep with every porn star he crosses simply because of exposure? Do you assume that men are so damn simplistic and so damn compulsive that he'll jump on every single piece of hot ass he comes across? Because that seems to be the assumption you're making here, that if a man sees naked flesh laid before him, he'll automatically cheat.

[Guest]

Actually, he's kind of right about that. Only the seediest places will let customers get away with the kind of behavior. In those cases, the issue is not the stripping. It's the culture.

it's the culture of stripping. it's the stripping culture. sham distinction, elli.

our society is intellectual lazy when it can afford it. There in lies the appeal of porn. you're right, it's instant gratification. You don't have to worry about the performer's feelings, her thought processes, or really whether or not she's into her job at all.

well let's not be intellectually lazy- there's the appeal to some. same why it's so offputting to others. and no, you don't have to worry about whether she's enjoying it - you don't have to worry about the feelings of anyone. it's not clear therefore that it's morally right not to worry about the feelings of others.

Because the consumption of such products are fundamentally an act of fantasy and these women are not seen as real.

not seen by who as real? they have to see themselves as real. they have to deal with all the crap of being used as a human pinata by men they don't fancy. One poster earlier above tried to take the moral highground on the bassis that porn was just a part of real life (so you should shut up and get over it). then he contradicted himself and said that porn was just fantasy. Clearly it isn't. Those cheap labor sneakers you buy may be a fantasy item for you, but they were made with the blood of poor people in the third world.

Yes, when I look at porn or a pin up poster, I'm not there to appreciate the actress' intellect.

you sure ain't

But I certainly would not carry that same attitude towards women I interact with in real life. For one thing, the women I meet in real life are very much real to me, while the women in these works I may very well never meet.

it's all real life elliott. if your relationship runs aground because your partner can't accept you using pictures of women in this way, it's real life. if you feel you can't go without these pictures in reali life, it's real life.

All they are is a fantasy that is consumed, and marked off.

No elliott they are NOT just a fantasy. No human being is justa fantasy. But they may well be a whim to be used and cast on the rubbish tip for you.

However, if I were to meet the actresses in person? I probably would treat her like I treat ANY celebrity, tongued tied and fumbly asking for an autograph and then moving on. (Of course, I use the word "celeb" loosely here)

doesn't matter how fumbly you ask for her autograph. if you've used her in that way, can you really claim to respect her?

In fact, how can you assume that a man would automatically sleep with every porn star he crosses simply because of exposure? Do you assume that men are so damn simplistic and so damn compulsive that he'll jump on every single piece of hot ass he comes across? Because that seems to be the assumption you're making here, that if a man sees naked flesh laid before him, he'll automatically cheat.

well... i'm assuming as it's such a widespread fantasy that these men would be less than horrified by the prospect. according to some statistics, 80% of men do cheat.

[By Shelley Luben]

Sex-packed porn films featuring freshly-dyed blondes whose evocative eyes say “ I want you ” is quite possibly one of the greatest deceptions of all time. Trust me, I know. I did it all the time and I did it for the lust of power and the love of money. I never liked sex. I never wanted sex and in fact I was more apt to spend time with Jack Daniels than some of the studs I was paid to “fake it” with. That's right none of us freshly-dyed blondes like doing porn. In fact, we hate it. We hate being touched by strangers who care nothing about us. We hate being degraded with their foul smells and sweaty bodies. Some women hate it so much you can hear them vomiting in the bathroom between scenes. Others can be found outside smoking an endless chain of Marlboro lights…

But the porn industry wants YOU to think we porn actresses love sex. They want you to think we enjoy being degraded by all kinds of repulsive acts. The truth, porn actresses have showed up on the set not knowing about certain requirements and were told by porn producers to do it or leave without being paid. Work or never work again. Yes, we made the choice. Some of us needed the money. But we were manipulated and coerced and even threatened. Some of us caught HIV from that coercion. I personally caught Herpes, a non-curable sexually transmitted disease. Another porn actress went home after a long night of numbing her pain and put a pistol to her head and pulled the trigger. Now she's dead.

It's safe to say most women who turn to porn acting as a money-making enterprise, probably didn't grow up in healthy childhoods either. Indeed, many actresses admit they've experienced sexual abuse, physical abuse, verbal abuse and neglect by parents. Some were raped by relatives and molested by neighbors. When we were little girls we wanted to play with dollies and be mommies, not have big scary men get on top of us. So we were taught at a young age that sex made us valuable. The same horrible violations we experienced then, we relive through as we perform our tricks for you in front of the camera. And we hate every minute of it. We're traumatized little girls living on anti-depressants, drugs and alcohol acting out our pain in front of YOU who continue to abuse us.

As we continue to traumatize ourselves by making more adult films, we use more and more drugs and alcohol. We live in constant fear of catching AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases. Every time there's an HIV scare we race to the nearest clinic for an emergency checkup. Pornographers insist giving viewers the fantasy sex they demand all the while sacrificing the very ones who make it happen. In other words, no condoms allowed. Herpes, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, and other diseases are the normal anxieties we walk around with daily. We get tested monthly but we know testing isn't prevention. Besides worrying about catching diseases from porn sex, there are other harmful activities we engage in that are also very dangerous. Some of us have had physical tearing and damage to internal body parts.

When porn actresses call it a day and head home we attempt to have normal healthy relationships but some of our boyfriends get jealous and physically abuse us. So instead we marry our porn directors while others of us prefer lesbian relationships. It's a real memory making moment when our daughter accidentally walks out and sees mommy kissing another girl. My daughter will vouch for that one.

On our days off we walk around like zombies with a beer in one hand and a shot of whiskey in the other. We aren't up to cleaning so we live in filth most of the time or we hire a sweet foreign lady to come in and clean up our mess. Porn Actresses aren't the best cooks either. Ordering food in is normal for us and most of the time we throw up after we eat because we're bulimic.

For porn actresses who have children, we are the world's WORST mothers. We yell and scream and hit our kids for no reason. Most of the time we are intoxicated or high and our four year olds are the ones picking us up off the floor. When clients come over for sex, we lock our children in their rooms and tell them to be quiet. I use to give my daughter a beeper and tell her to wait at the park until I was finished.

The truth is there IS NO fantasy in porn. It's all a lie. A closer look into the scenes of a porn star's life will show you a movie porn doesn't want you to see. The real truth is we porn actresses want to end the shame and trauma of our lives but we can't do it alone. So don't believe the lie anymore. Porn is nothing more than fake sex and lies on videotape. Trust me, I know.

[elliott20]

And according to some statistics, 86% of statistics are made up on the spot. If you do in fact believe that 80% of men do cheat, then well, all I can say is you have a pretty tainted population sample.

But anyway, would I respect a pornstar? Why not? Does the fact that I've seen them perform automatically make them somehow less? Not really. It's a job. It's not them. Like the above poster have transcribed, pornstars are just doing a job.

However, the above post, if genuine, does shift my attitude. However, I see it as an issue of lack of regulations and the corrupt industry culture.

Once again, let me go back to my main point. It's the depiction of sex. I don't think the depiction of sex in and of itself is evil or bad, just like the depiction of violence isn't inherently bad.

The culture of exploitation and abuse that the above posts speaks of, however, is. To say that there is no problem with the porn industry would be naive of me. But to say that because of this that ALL forms of pornography should be condemn, is reductionist. That's like saying because some sneakers are made by sweat shop laborers in third world countries, ALL sneakers should be condemned or banned.

If your problem is with the industry, then there in the focus should lie. Perhaps there needs to be a push for better regulations and protection. And that, I think, is a possibility.

[elliott20]

Hmm... so I read more on the subject and am trying to gain more insight into the anti-porn perspective and I think I'm starting to see the issue that some people have with it.

namely, the porn industry is actually the manifestation of patriarchal sex values, that it perpetuates a negative image towards sexuality, and that it exploits the women (or workers in general) that work in them.

This, however, says to me that there is a need for the porn industry to be re-organized and to be revolutionized. I mean, sex workers do control the Porn Industry. It could stem the abuses against the actresses, and therefore remove the abuse from porn, making porn a benign sexual act.

It also does not answer for the the face the porn industry puts on today. That is, the women on camera have a great deal of control. A great many of the current producers of porn are women who were previously on camera. I'm not sure how true this is, but I do think that it is a pertinant point of discussion.

one of the people I read about had this to say:

And, at the same time, as an alternative, create something new. Laura Mulvey, an incredible film critic, wrote an essay called, "Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema." In it, she deconstructed Hollywood film with a deep feminist reading of the phenomenon, and proposed a radical change in its form. She, as a filmmaker as well, created her own films to counteract the objectification. Perhaps taking a page from her book would help this situation, both in following theory with a tangible alternative, and in using her study to inform said alternative. Can you imagine a Laura Mulvey inspired porn film? That is so friggin hot my little film major brain can't handle it.

now granted, I'm not nearly as educated about the film industry to know what to think of Laura Mulvey, but honestly, I do think this is a curious way of approaching porn.

[Guest]

sex workers do control the Porn Industry. I disagree. you think abuses this widescale and insidious ( a reflection of how porn workers are really viewed by their employers) could ever be cleared up?

She was working without condoms, though she said the risk of AIDS was never far from her mind - or her prayers. "The fans don't like to see condoms … If I would have said I want to use condoms every time, I really wouldn't get any work," she explained. She contracted chlamydia,, which can make you sterile.

And Anal sex - which she had be talked into during her first shoot - was now her specialty. "Funny, isn't it? Something I didn't want to do and now I'm known best for it," she told Primetime . No longer a fresh face in the business, she found she had to agree to even riskier sex acts to earn the same money.

Ona Zee, the producer who had interviewed Michelle the previous year, noticed a difference, too. "I said to my husband, 'Our baby is all grown up and left home.' She's no longer the adorable fresh-faced girl that I met … Now she's really in the life … Even in the pictures that I see of her, she's much harder, much tougher."

Behind the Smile

During interviews with Primetime , Michelle kept the happy smile she had always had - even when describing things that many people would find disturbing. However, her composure cracked when Diane Sawyer asked why she always smiled. Tears came to her eyes as she said, "Because I like to hide - hide everything, you know?" Then she began to cry, explaining that she hides her real emotions because she wants to show everyone how happy she is. "And I'm not happy … I don't like myself at all," she said.

Michelle confessed she often felt physical revulsion during her scenes:

the women on camera have a great deal of control.

oh yeah?

In late March 2004, the body of Natel King, a 23-year-old Canadian pornography model, was found face-down in a wooded area beside the Schuykill River in Conshohocken, PA. Last seen at a porn photo shoot, she'd been missing for three weeks.

Shortly after her body was discovered, photographer Anthony Joseph Frederick was arrested and charged with first- and third-degree murder, possession of an instrument of crime, unsworn falsification to authorities, and abuse of a corpse. He was held without bail. Frederick's assistant Jennifer Mitkus, was charged with lying to authorities and hindering apprehension.

Authorities found multiple stab wounds to Natel's chest, neck and hands. A red ball was stuffed in her throat and attached to a leather strap fixed around her head. Her body was wrapped in a two dark drape backdrops often used by photographers, and secured with duct tape.

"She put up a terrific fight because her hands showed multiple defensive slash wounds," District Attorney Bruce Castor said.

Natel's car was still parked at Frederick's Eagleville, PA house, the site of the porn shoot. A search of his home turned up shackles, duct tape, blood-stained equipment and a handwritten poem that read: "Cut with a knife/Blood does flow/You may bleed out/Death coming on slow."

Natel King worked under the name Taylor Sumers, and was an Ontario native taking psychology classes at Memorial University in Newfoundland. Her father said she worked in porn to pay for her studies.

The last person to talk with Natel was her roommate in Canada, whom she called to say that she was "weirded out" by the Frederick photo shoot. According to the roommate, Natel said Frederick "was kind of weird, and that she was worried. I asked if she was worried about not getting paid or getting killed, and she said, 'I don't know. Both."

Fellow porn model Autumn Rayne remembered meeting Natel at a bondage photo shoot seven months ago and described her as "very confident, very professional, very responsible."

"I told her it wasn't a safe thing to be traveling alone," Rayne said. "I don't travel alone, and if someone tells me they have a job and they tell me my husband can't come, I say, `Sorry, I can't do the shoot for you.'"

Anthony Frederick denies having anything to do with Natel's murder. Questioned by police, he said he took 20 digital photos of her naked and in bondage on Feb. 29, paid her $900, gave her directions to a local restaurant, and never saw her again.

The photos, recovered by police, show Natel wearing the same gag device that she was buried in.

At first, District Attorney Castor told reporters that Natel may have been killed when the bondage session "went horribly wrong." Later, he announced that the "photo shoot" may have actually been a snuff film. In an affidavit, Castor said her death might even be caught on camera. If convicted of her murder, Frederick faces either life in prison or the death penalty.

"I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy," Natel's father Daniel King said after learning of her death. Her mother, Jackie King told reporters she had warned Natel about getting involved in porn.

"We had told her that this is an area that is very dangerous and she may not have the control she thinks she has," King said.

Sources: CNN, FoxNews, and CNews

But anyway, would I respect a pornstar? Why not? Does the fact that I've seen them perform automatically make them somehow less?

I would suggest objectifying someone, as opposed to seeing them as an autonomous individual, is disrespect. But don't take my word for it, here's the voice of average men on the street commenting on jordan.

anyone who doesn't like these boobies is an unwashed loser who will never know the love of a woman. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Maybe some of us just don't feel the need to crow about how much action we're getting.

I don't think she's horrible-looking at all, just someone who'd look loads better with pro make-up, airbrushing, and good lighting. Just remember, it doesn't take any balls to be the one sitting in front of the monitor. She seems to be quite pleased with herself...just relish the goodness!

I'm married, brother. I can assure you, I am NOT bragging about the action I'm getting. Why the hell else would I be posting at 4:30 in the damned morning?

Righteous disgust at her unnatural state? Complete BS! More
like digust at her ugly-ass completely unproportional waterballoons. It's all about her looks and i have to agree with former posters, she looks like she had f*cking truck tires implanted in her chest. I got nothing against big boobies (obviously) but these just look nasty..

I agree, she used to be good-looking with a nice figure. Now, she's a freak of nature.

Even I'D say no to that. She's probably got a vagina like a wizard's sleeve.

sorry, but I don't see the appeal of this woman. If you ever saw a pic without makeup or listened to what's going on between her ears she is even less attractive...to each his own, I suppose...

I have to say that she was better with the smaller chest... Fact is... Once you've sucked on big boobs, they're not as exciting as they were before you got to suck them... or something.

I'm gonna call my wife for a lunchtime quickie now... I'm horny.

I actually liked the one (non)Boobies that had Great face shots (not those face shots) of hot chicks.

Seriously. Skanky, but hot. I'd hit it but I'd at least single bag first.

Damn. Now that's a tittie!

Her face scares me a bit, but there's nothing a paper bag wouldn't fix.

I think she looked better before the inflation, but even now they still look good.

I totally agree with you. Those things she's got now aren't even sexual. She looks like a side-show freak.
As for Jordan, where is her arse?? The size of her tits just make her butt look totally flat. As far as I am concerned.

now, does that sound like the average man on the street is able to view a porn star without disrespecting her to you?

[elliott20]

hmm... I guess I'm at a disadvantage here. Oh well.

Now, here's the thing though, an anecdotal story does not make a case. It really doesn't. It is unfortunate what happened to this woman. But this hardly answers my question about the industry. See, I'm not trying to say that porn is completely innocent. I'm really not. But I'm saying that banning pornography all together is the wrong approach to the solution. The problem is the industry, which needs changing in my opinion.

The consumption of porn for me is a release of sexual energy, which means that my actions are less likely to be motivated and acted upon by these impulses.

Now, consumption never justifies it if something is in and of itself inherently wrong, like say, child labor. Just because people use child labor doesn't mean that child labor is okay.

However, just because child labor might be used to produce clothes, doesn't make clothes automatically evil either. It just means the industry needs to stop using children to produce it.

And pornography, being as pervasive as it is, an outright banning will simply mean that it become another form and then you're back at hte same problem again. If you want the women in porn to stop being abused and exploited, then you have to give them the ability to do so on their own terms. Banning porn might save some women from the abuse of the industry, but for those without the proper skills to migrate into other labors, you're just taking away their paycheck. If you want to enable them into performing other professions, fine. But in my opinion, it would be more effective to enable porn workers to make that change on their own terms. (and yes, I do believe it is possible to change the industry)

If they don't want to do this anymore, then laws need to be enacted to allow them to change professions. Don't forget, there are people like Jenna Jameson who actually do have stable lives from these careers.

But then again, I doubt we're going to see eye to eye on this, and maybe I'm just wasting words with you, just like you're likely to be wasting words with me.

However, I am willing to read more on the subject if you can provide with some the source of the researches you listed. (which, by the way, would be nice if you could site next time cuz some of your numbers like 80% of men cheat sounds pretty preposterous to me)

[Guest]

But I'm saying that banning pornography all together is the wrong approach to the solution. The problem is the industry, which needs changing in my opinion.

and i'm saying that that abuse is intrinsic in porn as long as it continues. you cannot take an industry which pressurises women to effectively work without condoms (or spoil men's fun) without abuse continuing. they're going to be unprotected no matter what.

psychologically, you cannot have an industry that carves up female sexuality for male consumption, that respects women. thart's what straight porn is. it's not female sexuality. it's female sexuality twisted and bent out of all meaning. when was the last time you saw a male protagonist asking a female if she was enjoying what he was doing?

The consumption of porn for me is a release of sexual energy, which means that my actions are less likely to be motivated and acted upon by these impulses.

ok, good for you. but ook at the statistics overall:

--Researcher Edward Donnerstein

Many porn apologists have theorized that using pornography helps oversexed men get those nasty impulses out of their system safely. Without porn, they insist, more rapes would occur.

We at o.a.g. know this isn't true, because despite the phenomenal growth of all kinds of porn during the last few decades, reported rapes have increased 500% since 1960. Last year in New York City, for example, all crime decreased except r****, which increased.

We also know that statistics don't always tell a vivid story. Sometimes the connection between porn and r**** has a very personal connection.

Consider the 1996 murder of 27 year-old Kristen Crowley.

Crowley was murdered by two men leaving a strip club in Peabody, Massachusetts.

Timothy Dykens and John Keegan had enjoyed an evening of Harmless Fun at the "Golden Banana" when they encountered their victim at a Mobil Mini-Mart off the highway.

Observing Crowley, one of the drunken men commented that he "wanted a piece of that." His friend responded, "You know what we've got to do." The mini-mart clerk heard these comments, saw them leave after her, but decided not to call the police.

So the two ex-Marines followed Crowley to her condo door, dragged her into the woods, tried to r**** her, dug up a 35-pound boulder, then smashed her head in with it. Dykens is now serving a life sentence without parole for her murder, while Keegan is eligible for parole in 10 years (his lawyer established that he was too drunk to lift the boulder).

Ironically, it turned out that Kristen Crowley was a part-time stripper who worked bachelor parties and such.

Nevertheless, she was murdered by the very sort of men she was paid to work her magic upon, so all those nasty impulses could be extinguished safely. For another account of crime directly tied to porn, click here.

But for those of you who prefer hard research to anecdotes, o.a.g. has helpfully summarized ten porn-related laboratory experiments for you. They are arranged in chronological order.

In total, these studies show that viewing both violent and non-violent pornography can:

increase the acceptance of r**** myths

increase male aggression toward females

decrease sensitivity to the crime of r****

predispose willingness to r****

increase the acceptance of violence against women

decrease support for women’s rights

alter perceptions of “common” sexual behavior

decrease sexual satisfaction with self and partner

However, just because child labor might be used to produce clothes, doesn't make clothes automatically evil either. It just means the industry needs to stop using children to produce it.

are you saying porn is ok as long as it doesn't use children? this comment makes no sense to me.

And pornography, being as pervasive as it is, an outright banning will simply mean that it become another form and then you're back at hte same problem again.

what problem?

If you want the women in porn to stop being abused and exploited, then you have to give them the ability to do so on their own terms. Banning porn might save some women from the abuse of the industry, but for those without the proper skills to migrate into other labors, you're just taking away their paycheck.

they have the ability to do so on their own terms. they have to get out of there. there's no other way. your argument is like a punter telling me he helps prostitutes, because his money goes toward their drug habit. NO he doesn't. he couldn't care less about them. Can any man truly claim to care about the welfare of porn actresses when they're routinely turfed out within a year of starting once their fresh face as gone?

“The girls could be graded like A, B, and C. The A is the chick on the boxcover…here you have a borderline A/B doing a double Anal. Directors will remember that. She'll get phone calls. For a double Anal you'd usually expect a B or C. They have to do the dirty stuff of they won't get a phone call. You've had a kid, you've got some stretchmarks – you're up there doing double Anal. Some girls are used in nine months or a year…a hundred movies in four months. She's not a fresh face anymore. Her price slips and she stops getting phone calls. Then it's, ‘Okay, will you do Anal? Will you do gang-bangs?' Then they're used up…the market forces of this industry use them up.”

-Porn director quoted in Martin Amis' “A Rough Trade”

If you want to enable them into performing other professions, fine. But in my opinion, it would be more effective to enable porn workers to make that change on their own terms. (and yes, I do believe it is possible to change the industry)

so you're going to develop an industry where overwhelmingly, performers are attracted to it to relive childhood abuse, where directors are screaming down their neck that if they don't do triple Anal, they'll never work again, where to all intents and purposes they're unable to assert their right to wear a condom because men in britain and america create billion dolloar demands to see them performing unsafe sex and safe sex is a turnoff, in an industry which knocks the light out of their eyes and throws them on a scrapheap often within a year. 18 months at max. this chould be interesting.

[quoteIf they don't want to do this anymore, then laws need to be enacted to allow them to change professions. Don't forget, there are people like Jenna Jameson who actually do have stable lives from these careers.