How do you feel about Muslims who don'twant to inte

[monosodium]

Fine by me... you can stay out of it if you have nothing constructive to add on the subject.

From an illiterate, I'll consider that an open invitation.

I happen to think "when in rome" and if people want to live in a religious state then they should do so, that's not "f*** off back where you came from" but move your family to another country where they share your views. Equally if you're forced to seek refuge in another country you should go to one which shares your values.

But I also think that also applies to christians, most people in this country are not practising christians, in fact a growing percentage list themselves as "jedi". So by the same token all specifically christian laws need to be removed from our legislation and all state support for religion should cease.

Kalel - If you're too dumb to be able to spell, do you really want to pick a fight with someone who can?

[Kalel]

Fine by me... you can stay out of it if you have nothing constructive to add on the subject.

From an illiterate, I'll consider that an open invitation.

I happen to think "when in rome" and if people want to live in a religious state then they should do so, that's not "f*** off back where you came from" but move your family to another country where they share your views. Equally if you're forced to seek refuge in another country you should go to one which shares your values.

But I also think that also applies to christians, most people in this country are not practising christians, in fact a growing percentage list themselves as "jedi". So by the same token all specifically christian laws need to be removed from our legislation and all state support for religion should cease.

Kalel - If you're too dumb to be able to spell, do you really want to pick a fight with someone who can?

It's no longer a small world.
It's now a global community.
Hedonistic desires and selfish needs permeate via television and the web.
Its no longer a matter of what parts of the world are in the toilette... it's when will the S*** spill over to me.

So, I applaud them for taking a plunger to the S*** plugging your crapper!

[ILWL]

THAT is the problem.

Well... ever think the social woes of society are because there is no one at the wheel?

I would say that the woes of society are due to the divine creator being something of an absentee landlord - It is somewhat callous to give us freewill and then see that we get punished for it!

What do you think of that then Kalel?

I think todays society has poor parents that give poor examples of morals!
Religion filled that void!

Don't talk about an absentee anything, to me... that just tells me you are weak and not willing to take the RESPONSABLILTY for your own actions!
That's what seperates adults from children... taking responsability!

Sure religon surely did fill that void as sure as night follows the piper!

Sure enough I do have my weaknesses - or are they my excesses!

As for taking responsibility I think what you are talking about is duty and that being so - Reponsibility makes a mockery of any concept of free will.

You stress how I am so weak because of my statement of God apparently playing the absentee landlord - but yet you are lazy - that is what your leap of faith tells me. Why you would be prepared to make that leap of faith for a diety created by human arrogance and selfishness;and who was to put it mildly a bit of an arsehole (At least in the Old Testament) is beyond my powers of comprehension. However since you are so weak that you cannot admit to our own insignificance - go tell yourself that we are the creators choosen people or is that it's favourite plaything!

[Kalel]

THAT is the problem.

Well... ever think the social woes of society are because there is no one at the wheel?

I would say that the woes of society are due to the divine creator being something of an absentee landlord - It is somewhat callous to give us freewill and then see that we get punished for it!

What do you think of that then Kalel?

I think todays society has poor parents that give poor examples of morals!
Religion filled that void!

Don't talk about an absentee anything, to me... that just tells me you are weak and not willing to take the RESPONSABLILTY for your own actions!
That's what seperates adults from children... taking responsability!

Sure religon surely did fill that void as sure as night follows the piper!

Sure enough I do have my weaknesses - or are they my excesses!

As for taking responsibility I think what you are talking about is duty and that being so - Reponsibility makes a mockery of any concept of free will.

You want it all, dont you?
You want your cake and eat it too!

You can't!

To me... your using one idea to validate the excuse of doing as you please!

Tell you what... live on an island all by yourself and you then can do as you please.
Otherwise... you do your fellow man no service whatsoever!

[Hells Belle]

Ship them out. They disgust me. If I lived somewhere like Birmingham, I'd probably go postal with a machine gun.

[monosodium]

Ship them out.

Send Kalel with them, see how well he intergrates.

[ILWL]

THAT is the problem.

Well... ever think the social woes of society are because there is no one at the wheel?

I would say that the woes of society are due to the divine creator being something of an absentee landlord - It is somewhat callous to give us freewill and then see that we get punished for it!

What do you think of that then Kalel?

I think todays society has poor parents that give poor examples of morals!
Religion filled that void!

Don't talk about an absentee anything, to me... that just tells me you are weak and not willing to take the RESPONSABLILTY for your own actions!
That's what seperates adults from children... taking responsability!

Sure religon surely did fill that void as sure as night follows the piper!

Sure enough I do have my weaknesses - or are they my excesses!

As for taking responsibility I think what you are talking about is duty and that being so - Reponsibility makes a mockery of any concept of free will.

You want it all, dont you?
You want your cake and eat it too!

You can't!

To me... your using one idea to validate the excuse of doing as you please!

Tell you what... live on an island all by yourself and you then can do as you please.
Otherwise... you do your fellow man no service whatsoever!

You are a funny guy - so funny in fact I could f-ing kiss you!

I notice that you have changed your location - where exactly is Sarcasm? Bet if it is in the U.S not many people know of it!

The other day - I was thinking about you Kalel - something of a compliment in that if you take the time to consider things rather than moralising! Well anyway just found it interesting where you said you came from - Pennsylvania wasn't it! Now here was a state which came into being as a result of religous 'intolerance' - must admit at that point I wondered whether that batch of pilgrims went over because of their persecution or whether it was due to their zealotry - Or maybe possibly Kalel they went over because they wanted to eat 'their' cake which the indigenious people had looked after for these choosen people!

Another thought that occured to me about this religous / political / personal situation is that perhaps you my dear chap is not too disimilar to Bush or (Shall we say) Osama - I guess both these groups could perhaps empathise with each other more than the rest of us 'lost souls' would credit them for.

Makes you think perhaps!

[Kalel]

Another thought that occured to me about this religous / political / personal situation is that perhaps you my dear chap is not too disimilar to Bush or (Shall we say) Osama - I guess both these groups could perhaps empathise with each other more than the rest of us 'lost souls' would credit them for.

Makes you think perhaps!

Bush....
Hmmm...
Since 9-11 on the world trade center...
How many terrorist attacks have been in London versus the USA?

[Danko]

How many terror attacks have been foiled in the UK that we don't know about?

We know of aboout 15.

[mogadishu]

not to sound to redneck but

too late!

[ILWL]

Another thought that occured to me about this religous / political / personal situation is that perhaps you my dear chap is not too disimilar to Bush or (Shall we say) Osama - I guess both these groups could perhaps empathise with each other more than the rest of us 'lost souls' would credit them for.

Makes you think perhaps!

Bush....
Hmmm...
Since 9-11 on the world trade center...
How many terrorist attacks have been in London versus the USA?

I'm not keeping score on that to be honest!

The point I was trying to make is perhaps these 'leaders' are able to empathise with each other more than the people they apparently serve/protect!

Not sure whether you are Christian or Muslim - but I don't think that would really bother you as much as us people; who like to choose the way we live and seek to have a good time of things! Perhaps this isn't about a clash of 'civilisations' or religon - but a set a conservertive dinosaurs dealing with what they see as Sodom. Could it be that they are indeed right - and the rest of humanity are inherently evil or is it that they are nothing better then a set of Daily Mail readers!

[tamachant]

Imagine a world with no boundries at all, no borders where anyone could come and go as they please. Then it would be each to there own and I would probably also want to come and overpopulate England and run away from this horrid place.

I think yes if someone is welcomed into your country they cannot expect to have things their way, they should be more respectfull, but that would be to assume everyone has that strong sense of respect and Moral standards built within them, but unfortunatelly thats very rare.

[Scott L. Martinez]

I'm not at all racist, but I think that people who don't want to integrate into UK society should leave. It's common sense.

After all, if I went to live in France, I'd learn the language, about the country and its way of life, its politics and political system, its laws and freedoms, its education system and have an appreciation of its history.

If I didn't want any part of that, why would I be there?

The same applies to people, muslims or otherwise, in the UK.

[bellydanca]

What annoys me is that hoodies are banned from most places but they still accept people wearing those veil things which cover far more of someones face than a hoodie....

Funny, I never saw a hijabi hanging out on a street corner and getting an ASBO.

If we had 'whites only' or 'non mulim only' communities then it would cause an uproar.

Err, have you never been to the countryside?

Also let's not forget that Muslims are not all 'foreigners'. There are plenty of British born and even 'white' Muslims. Sure there are a minority of sickos but let's be racist out of ignorance. Islam is a peaceful religion. This is not just a soundbite and plenty of Muslims are pretty angry about the actions of extremists.

[noodles]

Equally if you're forced to seek refuge in another country you should go to one which shares your values.

Not sure that handpicking a country that shares your values is the first thing on the agenda when half (if not more) of your family have been killed, your sisters have been raped and you're in fear of life!

Maybe go and do some voluntary work with asylum seekers, give it a month then come back and join the debate. I feel sure that your views will have changed slightly.