IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT

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Postby thebigone on Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:55 am

Vampyrella wrote:I am tired of living in Britan where equal opportunities have died. If you are white british and a native to this country you are allready destined to fall. I am tired of our government bending over backwards to suit the needs of immigrants where again our native British brother cant make ends meet.
I am tired of seeing houses given to immigrants who illegaly come into this country. Im also tired of seeing their food coupons and their clothing vouchers. Im equally fed up seeing their claims to help with resoruces and heating. Im also sick tired and fed up of seeing these same individuals driving cars with no insurance, tax or even a license.

Im equally tired of seeing British people who have paid into this system all their working lives who suffer unemployment fall at the hands of the government. Im tired of seeing my fellow native Britian wait in queues for council houses for years, yes years. Im tired of seeing my fellow British white citizen declare himslef bankrupt becuase this government wont help with start up grants for a new business yet the asian or immigrant who has been here 6 months is given £15,000 for his new venture.

Im tired of hearing that our bibles in the lockers at the hospital are offensive to muslims yet their mosques are on every single corner. Im tired of hearing about the race relations board and the equal opportunities commission.

Who stands up for the native British? Who supports us? becuase the government doesnt. Yes open the borders, allow immigrants to live in this country but they must pay their own way, apply for jobs and STOP coming here knowing that they will get help and government hand outs at every opportunity.

Equality is a two way street, its time the British were helped in the way these immigrants are. The BNP will continue to get my vote


What she said with bells on. At last someone else who thinks this country is sinking into a multicultural hellhole where the native Englishman ceases to exist in his own land. More power to the BNP and congratulations for telling the truth as it is and standing up for the real minority in this country, the average British white man.

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Postby tatiana_uk on Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:01 pm

thebigone wrote:
Vampyrella wrote:I am tired of living in Britan where equal opportunities have died. If you are white british and a native to this country you are allready destined to fall. I am tired of our government bending over backwards to suit the needs of immigrants where again our native British brother cant make ends meet.
I am tired of seeing houses given to immigrants who illegaly come into this country. Im also tired of seeing their food coupons and their clothing vouchers. Im equally fed up seeing their claims to help with resoruces and heating. Im also sick tired and fed up of seeing these same individuals driving cars with no insurance, tax or even a license.

Im equally tired of seeing British people who have paid into this system all their working lives who suffer unemployment fall at the hands of the government. Im tired of seeing my fellow native Britian wait in queues for council houses for years, yes years. Im tired of seeing my fellow British white citizen declare himslef bankrupt becuase this government wont help with start up grants for a new business yet the asian or immigrant who has been here 6 months is given £15,000 for his new venture.

Im tired of hearing that our bibles in the lockers at the hospital are offensive to muslims yet their mosques are on every single corner. Im tired of hearing about the race relations board and the equal opportunities commission.

Who stands up for the native British? Who supports us? becuase the government doesnt. Yes open the borders, allow immigrants to live in this country but they must pay their own way, apply for jobs and STOP coming here knowing that they will get help and government hand outs at every opportunity.

Equality is a two way street, its time the British were helped in the way these immigrants are. The BNP will continue to get my vote


What she said with bells on. At last someone else who thinks this country is sinking into a multicultural hellhole where the native Englishman ceases to exist in his own land. More power to the BNP and congratulations for telling the truth as it is and standing up for the real minority in this country, the average British white man.


I really do think it depends where you live, and how much exposure you've had to Ethnic and other minorities. If you've lived in a white-dominated, 'clean', orderly town, then seeing lots of Asians or blacks in a place such as Leicester, Birmingham or South London, can be a bit shocking. It also makes it appear that these people are 'taking over Britain'.

However, I am a white, native Briton who has been brought up in a town where around 50% of the population are non-white (mostly South Asian, some Blacks). I can honestly say, it doesn't bother me that 'my kind' are not the majority.

There are many benefits from living in such a community. The availability of their supermarkets (yep, those shops where all the food and stuff is displayed on the pavement). The fruits are fresh, abundant and cheap (unlike the plastic-covered unripe stuff in Tescos or wherever). There are lots of shops that sell delicious and healthy convenience foods (chapatti or roti wraps with meat/veggies) and countless other amenities. The people are also very friendly. The young lads and girls are just like white Britons: cheeky and hormone-laden.
I do not mind that there are mosques around or that the women (and men) wear flowing robes, sometimes even Burquas. So what? Sometimes, I think their clothes are more flattering than the tight mini-skirs and belly-button skimming tops seen on our native Girls.

What I do mind, is that more of the Ethnic minorities appear to have less pride about their homes. Often, the part of town which they populate is more dirty, more litter is strewn everywhere, houses are not painted or fixed up. It is not because of poverty (poor people can still have pride and look after their homes), it is just that they do not appear to care. Nothing to do with colour or culture in particular, just a behaviour that appears to be synonymous with South Asian people who congregate in a certain place (again, not all. Some).

All that aside, I think that the new, younger generations of Ethnic minorities will be quite different from their forebears. They consider themselves British (e.g. not Pakistani, but British-Pakistani). At the same time, they acknowledge that the native Briton is either a Scotsman, a Welshman or an Englishman. They consider a distinct difference between a British and an Englishman! The younger generation also often speak English as their mother tongue (!) and inter-racial marriages are more common. The babies born of an Indian and an Englishman is usually white- or olive-skinned, so I don't know where the issue of Britain becoming 'brown-skinned' in the near future has arisen from!!!

Anyway, to end my rant. I only can say, that I sort of understand where the far-right Britons are coming from. I do not agree with your concerns. I acknowledge them. However, I think you are worrying for nothing. We are all human beings in the end.

As long as we respect each other (and yes, it is true that there a lot of Asians/Blacks who are imperious and arrogant and belittle the values of native, Christian Britons. These are usually the vocal minority, not the majority of Ethnics who are probably grateful to have an opportunity to improve their lives here) we can live in harmony and appreciate the contributions we all make together for our societies and the economy.

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Postby Alonso on Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:20 pm

tatiana_uk wrote:
thebigone wrote:
Vampyrella wrote:I am tired of living in Britan where equal opportunities have died. If you are white british and a native to this country you are allready destined to fall. I am tired of our government bending over backwards to suit the needs of immigrants where again our native British brother cant make ends meet.
I am tired of seeing houses given to immigrants who illegaly come into this country. Im also tired of seeing their food coupons and their clothing vouchers. Im equally fed up seeing their claims to help with resoruces and heating. Im also sick tired and fed up of seeing these same individuals driving cars with no insurance, tax or even a license.

Im equally tired of seeing British people who have paid into this system all their working lives who suffer unemployment fall at the hands of the government. Im tired of seeing my fellow native Britian wait in queues for council houses for years, yes years. Im tired of seeing my fellow British white citizen declare himslef bankrupt becuase this government wont help with start up grants for a new business yet the asian or immigrant who has been here 6 months is given £15,000 for his new venture.

Im tired of hearing that our bibles in the lockers at the hospital are offensive to muslims yet their mosques are on every single corner. Im tired of hearing about the race relations board and the equal opportunities commission.

Who stands up for the native British? Who supports us? becuase the government doesnt. Yes open the borders, allow immigrants to live in this country but they must pay their own way, apply for jobs and STOP coming here knowing that they will get help and government hand outs at every opportunity.

Equality is a two way street, its time the British were helped in the way these immigrants are. The BNP will continue to get my vote


What she said with bells on. At last someone else who thinks this country is sinking into a multicultural hellhole where the native Englishman ceases to exist in his own land. More power to the BNP and congratulations for telling the truth as it is and standing up for the real minority in this country, the average British white man.


I really do think it depends where you live, and how much exposure you've had to Ethnic and other minorities. If you've lived in a white-dominated, 'clean', orderly town, then seeing lots of Asians or blacks in a place such as Leicester, Birmingham or South London, can be a bit shocking. It also makes it appear that these people are 'taking over Britain'.

However, I am a white, native Briton who has been brought up in a town where around 50% of the population are non-white (mostly South Asian, some Blacks). I can honestly say, it doesn't bother me that 'my kind' are not the majority.

There are many benefits from living in such a community. The availability of their supermarkets (yep, those shops where all the food and stuff is displayed on the pavement). The fruits are fresh, abundant and cheap (unlike the plastic-covered unripe stuff in Tescos or wherever). There are lots of shops that sell delicious and healthy convenience foods (chapatti or roti wraps with meat/veggies) and countless other amenities. The people are also very friendly. The young lads and girls are just like white Britons: cheeky and hormone-laden.
I do not mind that there are mosques around or that the women (and men) wear flowing robes, sometimes even Burquas. So what? Sometimes, I think their clothes are more flattering than the tight mini-skirs and belly-button skimming tops seen on our native Girls.

What I do mind, is that more of the Ethnic minorities appear to have less pride about their homes. Often, the part of town which they populate is more dirty, more litter is strewn everywhere, houses are not painted or fixed up. It is not because of poverty (poor people can still have pride and look after their homes), it is just that they do not appear to care. Nothing to do with colour or culture in particular, just a behaviour that appears to be synonymous with South Asian people who congregate in a certain place (again, not all. Some).

All that aside, I think that the new, younger generations of Ethnic minorities will be quite different from their forebears. They consider themselves British (e.g. not Pakistani, but British-Pakistani). At the same time, they acknowledge that the native Briton is either a Scotsman, a Welshman or an Englishman. They consider a distinct difference between a British and an Englishman! The younger generation also often speak English as their mother tongue (!) and inter-racial marriages are more common. The babies born of an Indian and an Englishman is usually white- or olive-skinned, so I don't know where the issue of Britain becoming 'brown-skinned' in the near future has arisen from!!!

Anyway, to end my rant. I only can say, that I sort of understand where the far-right Britons are coming from. I do not agree with your concerns. I acknowledge them. However, I think you are worrying for nothing. We are all human beings in the end.

As long as we respect each other (and yes, it is true that there a lot of Asians/Blacks who are imperious and arrogant and belittle the values of native, Christian Britons. These are usually the vocal minority, not the majority of Ethnics who are probably grateful to have an opportunity to improve their lives here) we can live in harmony and appreciate the contributions we all make together for our societies and the economy.



Very good post tatiana, someone with some sense,appreciation and understanding, we need more people with some constructive points.

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Re: IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT

Postby naughty_girl on Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:52 am

Thatch wrote:IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT...


I couldnt agree more!!!!1

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Postby Vampyrella on Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:19 pm

To bring up the point that a lot of this generation immigrants consider themselves British, a recent survey based on polls suggested that the majority of muslims in Britain consider themselves to be Muslim first and British 2nd.

That doesnt really inspire me with confidence for a harmonious multicultural society.
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Postby picard on Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:04 am

Vampyrella wrote:To bring up the point that a lot of this generation immigrants consider themselves British, a recent survey based on polls suggested that the majority of muslims in Britain consider themselves to be Muslim first and British 2nd.

That doesnt really inspire me with confidence for a harmonious multicultural society.


Native British english speakers feel besieged nowadays because there is a large muslim immigration coming to UK. Britain now has more extremist muslims than other european countries other than France. British citizens shouldn't lump all immigrants groups into this muslim group. There are plenty of well adapted asians such as chinese, koreans, Japanese living in Britain too. They contribute a great deal to UK economy and british society.

We shouldn't be fanning this anti-immigrant hatred unless we want history to repeat itself just like germany.
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Postby Vampyrella on Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:06 pm

To be honest,

I think the world has become a very very unsafe place and wether we like it or not, many many peoples attitudes have changed especially in Great Britain towards Immigrants, particularly those from Pakistan.
Since 9/11 in the USA and 7/7 in London there has been a terrible amount of fear and distrust stired up amongst our communities. People are growing tired of immigrants especially as they appear to be biting the hand that feeds them.

I myself have no objection of anyones colour of skin, religion or race what I do object to is the way the governments seem to have abandoned help for the Native Brit who has paid into the country all his or her working life only to be shunned and igonred in times of need where as these immigrants can come into the country and be given hand outs from day one. I dont believe they are Britains responsibility at all.
When your children are starving and so are your neighbours, you feed your own first, you dont give to your neighbours and leave your own to flounder. This is what the British government appear to be doing.

The town I live in is fairly mixed however what has disgusted me was at the time of the London attrocities earlier last year, the members of the asian community were gathering and cheering on our streets. Half of these people are living on state handouts yet they can laugh and cheer becuase the capital was hit?
These actions have changed public opinion and Im afriad many of the native Britains are starting to speak out about it, we wont tollerate this any longer.

We wont tollerate the government protecting them and making them financially secure whilst we are left to flounder and we wont tollerate the behaviour of these individuals who reap the riches of the British Government with one hand and stab us in the back with the other. Its got to stop and its got to stop soon or I see no future other than anarchy.

I must point out that the Chineese and Japs do not pose a problem here in the UK, they are valid and welcomed members of our community. Our problems are with the Kosovans and other Asians. It seems the Indians and the Pakistanis cant get along either, very often in the news here we hear stories that these two groups have rioted and cost thousands upon thousands of pounds worth of damage to public property that we the Great British public are having to pay for. Its all fu cking wrong.
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Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:47 pm

This sounds much like the 19th century arguments of Ruskin, Carlyle, Greg, Galton and Mill. I'm expecting someone, anytime now, to come up with the idea that we should start wielding a "beneficent whip" to get the ""two-legged cattle" Muslims working for their moral owners, the European white peoples.

Do you know how the "Dismal Science" got it's name? Regardless of popular misconception, it had nothing to do with populations growing faster than food supplies. It was coined by Carlyle as an attack on those, like Mill, who believed all men were equal in the economic equation. Regardless of race or color, all men add to the economy based on incentive and motive. (excuse the male bias.)

I guess it takes an economist of the "dismal science" like Mill to put the argument back in perspective. Get rid of your immigrants and stop your competition in the broader world economy and die as paupers. "Gay" paupers, but nevertheless, economically a side show freak on the world stage.

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Postby tatiana_uk on Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:49 pm

Vampyrella wrote:To be honest,

I think the world has become a very very unsafe place and wether we like it or not, many many peoples attitudes have changed especially in Great Britain towards Immigrants, particularly those from Pakistan.
Since 9/11 in the USA and 7/7 in London there has been a terrible amount of fear and distrust stired up amongst our communities. People are growing tired of immigrants especially as they appear to be biting the hand that feeds them.

I myself have no objection of anyones colour of skin, religion or race what I do object to is the way the governments seem to have abandoned help for the Native Brit who has paid into the country all his or her working life only to be shunned and igonred in times of need where as these immigrants can come into the country and be given hand outs from day one. I dont believe they are Britains responsibility at all.
When your children are starving and so are your neighbours, you feed your own first, you dont give to your neighbours and leave your own to flounder. This is what the British government appear to be doing.

The town I live in is fairly mixed however what has disgusted me was at the time of the London attrocities earlier last year, the members of the asian community were gathering and cheering on our streets. Half of these people are living on state handouts yet they can laugh and cheer becuase the capital was hit?
These actions have changed public opinion and Im afriad many of the native Britains are starting to speak out about it, we wont tollerate this any longer.

We wont tollerate the government protecting them and making them financially secure whilst we are left to flounder and we wont tollerate the behaviour of these individuals who reap the riches of the British Government with one hand and stab us in the back with the other. Its got to stop and its got to stop soon or I see no future other than anarchy.

I must point out that the Chineese and Japs do not pose a problem here in the UK, they are valid and welcomed members of our community. Our problems are with the Kosovans and other Asians. It seems the Indians and the Pakistanis cant get along either, very often in the news here we hear stories that these two groups have rioted and cost thousands upon thousands of pounds worth of damage to public property that we the Great British public are having to pay for. Its all fu cking wrong.


Crikey, you're a bit extreme.

I think you have serious issues with South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis) and for some reason, Kosovans.

You should get to know some of these Asian people. Really, they are generally hard-working, pay taxes, raise families, contribute to community and generally abide by British Laws.

Believe it or not, most of our jails are not filled with coloured people, but by Native Brits. And most of the abusing of the system is not being done by Nigerian Scammers or vocal Asians, but by.......Native Brits.

By the way, it might be worth to while to read up a bit on the social science of Economics. You'll realise that to produce all the goods and services needed for our daily comforts, it is necessary to have people (labour) to produce them. We do not have enough people of working age to provide enough labour (low birth rate), so ....damn....we need immigrants. Lots of them. Polish Plumbers. Indian IT consultants. German medical staff (yep, they emigrate to England too...), South Asians to set up shops and restaurants....Eastern European to clean dustbins. The list of jobs that immigrants (in the narrow sense of the word) do is endless.

So, don't tar everyone with the same brush. Just because some members of the Asian community were vocal during a tragic event, or you happen to know some families that are claiming benefit, doesn't mean that all of them think and act the same way. They don't. Open up your eyes and your heart a little......white skin doesn't make us any better or more deserving than anyone else.

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Postby Vampyrella on Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:54 pm

Open your god damn eyes and re read my post. I dont hate anyone or dislike anyone for the colour of their skin what they believe, where they live, their race or religion. I DETEST the Government for the way that the law is on the side of the Asian man no longer the native Brit. I have friends who are Asian, fu ck Ive delivered asian babies and worked with some very nice asian families but what annoys me is how the govt hand out benefits to these people, aid them to set up buisnesses where the native Britain cant get any help anymore. This is a political forum not a debate about race or colour. Its a political debate and my opinion IS VALID as is yours. The Govt in this country are more in support of helping asians NOT the native Brit.

Anyway I do not see the reason why I should defent any of my views or opinions certainly not to someone I dont know. Infact im f u cked off with forums full stop. I cant be arsed with this anymore and I probably wont bother posting. Ive got better things to do with my life.
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Postby Dom on Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:25 pm

We don't need anymore immigrants.
We have have millions of unemployed and so-called disabled malingerers.
Why should I be considered a racist because I am concerned about the state of my country?

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Postby tatiana_uk on Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:29 pm

I DETEST the Government for the way that the law is on the side of the Asian man no longer the native Brit. I have friends who are Asian, fu ck Ive delivered asian babies and worked with some very nice asian families but what annoys me is how the govt hand out benefits to these people, aid them to set up buisnesses where the native Britain cant get any help anymore. This is a political forum not a debate about race or colour. Its a political debate and my opinion IS VALID as is yours. The Govt in this country are more in support of helping asians NOT the native Brit.


Where's your proof. You must be able to provide some statistics, considering how strongly you feel about Govt. Handouts to Undeserving Asians?

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Postby Vampyrella on Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:08 pm

For one, the business that has opened up next door to mine, Polish fella and a lovely chap, decided to open a Polish food shop.....no customers as yet and he has been open for 9 weeks now.....he was given a 15grand grant from the government to set up his business, when i applied i was told that grants are no longer available to set up business, so where is the fairness in that? Ive paid into this country all my working life but can I get any help? NO. A new comer who hasnt been in this country for 4 months, sets up shop with a whacking great governemnt hand out. In my book that is discrimination against native British and some of us are tired.
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Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:13 pm

Vampyrella wrote:For one, the business that has opened up next door to mine, Polish fella and a lovely chap, decided to open a Polish food shop.....no customers as yet and he has been open for 9 weeks now.....he was given a 15grand grant from the government to set up his business, when i applied i was told that grants are no longer available to set up business, so where is the fairness in that? Ive paid into this country all my working life but can I get any help? NO. A new comer who hasnt been in this country for 4 months, sets up shop with a whacking great governemnt hand out. In my book that is discrimination against native British and some of us are tired.


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Postby WiredCoffeeJunkie on Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:21 pm

Dom wrote:We don't need anymore immigrants.
We have have millions of unemployed and so-called disabled malingerers.
Why should I be considered a racist because I am concerned about the state of my country?


Being concerned about your country is noble.
Immigrant = an unemployed malingerer = racist.

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