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If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman

Postby Fred75 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:52 pm

Leviticus 20:13:
"If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."
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Postby franfran on Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:34 pm

Over the last few centuries, most Christians and Jews have rejected Leviticus 20:13. They no longer call on the death penalty for homosexuals. Only Christian Reconstructionists and a few Christian hate groups wish to revert to mass executions of gays and lesbians today.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh3.htm
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Postby Fred75 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:26 pm

franfran wrote:
Over the last few centuries, most Christians and Jews have rejected Leviticus 20:13. They no longer call on the death penalty for homosexuals. Only Christian Reconstructionists and a few Christian hate groups wish to revert to mass executions of gays and lesbians today.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh3.htm



I'm not condoning killing or stoning them.
Just pointing out that bad and immoral behavior STILL has a price to pa
y.
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Postby Gibbous Moon on Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:46 pm

You can’t have it both ways.

Either the Bible is the Holy Word of God Almighty Revealing his Devine Law for all His Creation and has to be respected and followed absolutely, literally and Word for written in stone Word or it’s just a guidance memo and the whole thing is non binding and open to humanist moral interpretation and vetting against an atheist moral code.

There is an interesting book (which I haven’t read but I’ve flicked through a few times in Waterstones) about a man who tries to literally live by the Bible. Stoning adulterers proved problematic as did weaving his way through all the many contradictions.

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Postby Guest on Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:07 pm

You do realise that the bible was written by a man just like you fred, rather than god?

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Postby The Colonel on Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:03 pm

. wrote:You do realise that the bible was written by a man just like you fred, rather than god?

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Postby The Colonel on Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:09 pm

WebMonkey wrote:
Fred75 wrote:Does the forum allow veiled death threats?


The Colonel wrote:
Fred75 wrote:


Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Aids & HIV are the death sentence.


I'm sure I could find a way in there to kill you too.



Humans! tsk tsk

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Now the colonel's wording may have been dicey, and I am sure he will word more carefully in the future, won't you colonel? :)

BUT he is right and all ancient text have a lot of interpretation room, and I am sure any number of messages could be conjured out of just about any of them with enough effort.

Claiming religious intolerance to give you free reign to be intolerant does put you on shaky ground my friend! What consenting adults do in their own time is their own business, and I think you'll find if you don't think about it, it really won't affect your life all that much! move along and leave them to it, there are more important causes to dedicate your life to.

Now lets all be friends and have a little cuddle ;)
"Evolution is the process of change, from one generation to the next, of inherited characteristics. The microbiologists see it happening all the time, as bacteria evolve to beat the antibiotics that we have so painstakingly developed."

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Postby The Colonel on Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:10 pm

WebMonkey wrote:
Fred75 wrote:
WebMonkey wrote:
Claiming religious intolerance to give you free reign to be intolerant does put you on shaky ground my friend!


FredMonkey wrote:
Claiming GAY intolerance to give you free reign to be intolerant with religion does put you on shaky ground my friend!


What's the difference webmonkey?


Based solely on the thread in question, I believe the old saying, "you started it" fits quite nicely. If you post calling someone an abomination, you are going to get flak.

But more seriously your intolerance is against a practice which does not involve you! What they do is none of your business, and its not illegal (in most countries, including the uk where this site is based)

Their intolerance is against someone coming along and sticking their beak in where it is not wanted.

If you take a moment to think about that, you will see it is an important distinction. And yes if you come across random threads STARTED by someone with no other purpose than to call your faith an abomination then I will look into it.

If you really feel the need to try and reform sinners, why not volunteer down your local prison and start with the thieves and murderers? At least those are illegal and do have their own commandments! ;)


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"Evolution is the process of change, from one generation to the next, of inherited characteristics. The microbiologists see it happening all the time, as bacteria evolve to beat the antibiotics that we have so painstakingly developed."

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Postby Go Webmonkey! on Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:22 pm

Hear hear

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Postby drew on Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:41 pm

how many times has this argument been started now ill admit some times its fun but its allways the same in the end

why not try some thing new like religion VS homosexuality why dose religion frown on it so much, and dont just say becouse its in the bibble we all know how febal that answer is
sorry if the spelling in this post is bad im dyslexic and usaly to lazy to use a spell checker

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Postby Fred75 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:05 pm

Is AIDS & HIV the death sentence?
Yes. 66% 66% [ 2 ]
No 33% 33% [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 3


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Postby Fred75 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:07 pm

The Colonel wrote:
. wrote:You do realise that the bible was written by a man just like you fred, rather than god?

+1

Admin will delete this like the last thread.



Nice... If they ever start up the Nazi party in the UK and need censors... you two are a shoe in!
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Postby DanMc on Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:19 pm

Fred75 wrote:Is AIDS & HIV the death sentence?
Yes. 66% 66% [ 2 ]
No 33% 33% [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 3


:clap:

As of now it's total votes = 4
Yes 50% [2]
No 50% [2]

There have been great advances in the treatment of HIV related conditions in recent years. Bad news for those who hoped it was the ultimate curse from an angry God on the "sinners" the evangelical extreme right hate, good news for those who suffer from just one of many illnesses - and in the UK you could even get treatment on the NHS.

Good news all round eh Fred.
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Postby The Colonel on Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:15 pm

Fred75 wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
. wrote:You do realise that the bible was written by a man just like you fred, rather than god?

+1

Admin will delete this like the last thread.



Nice... If they ever start up the Nazi party in the UK and need censors... you two are a shoe in!


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"Evolution is the process of change, from one generation to the next, of inherited characteristics. The microbiologists see it happening all the time, as bacteria evolve to beat the antibiotics that we have so painstakingly developed."

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Postby Fred75 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:53 pm

The Colonel wrote:
Fred75 wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
. wrote:You do realise that the bible was written by a man just like you fred, rather than god?

+1

Admin will delete this like the last thread.



Nice... If they ever start up the Nazi party in the UK and need censors... you two are a shoe in!


:withstupid: Crack Spackle


Over here we would say your son is caulking his boyfriends crack.
The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete, but so is the State, the entity he worshiped. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete.

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