men fashion freedom

[KiltyCol]

clothesfree,

Welcome to the forum.

Many of us have noticed the same as you observe about Alf. He loves teasing people. He also loves being teased and always comes back for more. Alf loves topics about kilts and skirts for men and always visits such threads first. One lady suggested that Alf was a woman pretending to be a man, but I can't quite believe that.

Alf, have you straightened out your crooked church spire yet? Afraid of heights?

[fatzke]

I just fell upon this forum/thread accidentally and read through it with interest.

I'm a naturist (or nudist - whichever you prefer) and I'm a normal red-blooded female-loving, masculine male. While on holiday abroad with my stunning blonde professional model girlfriend about seven years ago, she bought for me and insisted on me wearing a sarong for walking back and to between the beach and our apartment, rather than walking back and to in the nude. It also proved handy to wrap around to walk into the shops in resort's small town and to the bar on the non-nude part of the beach.

This sarong proved to be such a comfortable garment that I took to wearing it in the evenings (commando fashion) to go to the restaurant for dinner and to the outdoor bar afterwards. It was mainly black with some white markings so was in no way in any 'girly' colours. I found wearing it long to the ankles a bit irritating so folded it so it was short like a mini skirt (to just above the knee). I wore it with either a tee shirt, polo shirt or short-sleeved casual shirt over the top and either wore trainers or went barefoot. Not only was it extremely comfortable and practical, I also found that women found it attractive on me - I certainly attracted their attention.

Since then I always wear it (or one of two-or-three) for travelling to and from the beach even in the UK. Mostly because of the comfort/practicality of it. It provides 'cover' while still giving the 'freedom' otherwise felt by being nude.

I neither look like a woman nor try to or want to look like a woman. I'm a perfectly normal man sexually attracted to women, and although I wouldn't go shopping in Tesco's or walk around town wearing this 'skirt' I think in certain circumstances such as in the vicinity of the sea/beach whether home or abroad, or around the house/garden when relaxing at home, it is a perfectly acceptable, comfortable, practical and even handsome garment for a man to wear.

Back in history skirts were traditionally a male garment, not a female one, and in its country of origin, the sarong is also essentially a male garment.

Alf Huckham? As I've said I'm new to this forum and have only read this thread so if someone has picked up on this elsewhere - sorry. But no-one appears to have noticed that 'Alf Huckham' is probably a pseudonym rather than a real name and looks like a play on the sound: 'Alf Huckham' > 'I'll F*** em'... seems to me the guy (?) is a typical web forum troll.

i lke to wear to and i feel great . i am a normal men too just like to wear woman clothes and would like to have mor freedom about it

[fatzke]

I just fell upon this forum/thread accidentally and read through it with interest.

I'm a naturist (or nudist - whichever you prefer) and I'm a normal red-blooded female-loving, masculine male. While on holiday abroad with my stunning blonde professional model girlfriend about seven years ago, she bought for me and insisted on me wearing a sarong for walking back and to between the beach and our apartment, rather than walking back and to in the nude. It also proved handy to wrap around to walk into the shops in resort's small town and to the bar on the non-nude part of the beach.

This sarong proved to be such a comfortable garment that I took to wearing it in the evenings (commando fashion) to go to the restaurant for dinner and to the outdoor bar afterwards. It was mainly black with some white markings so was in no way in any 'girly' colours. I found wearing it long to the ankles a bit irritating so folded it so it was short like a mini skirt (to just above the knee). I wore it with either a tee shirt, polo shirt or short-sleeved casual shirt over the top and either wore trainers or went barefoot. Not only was it extremely comfortable and practical, I also found that women found it attractive on me - I certainly attracted their attention.

Since then I always wear it (or one of two-or-three) for travelling to and from the beach even in the UK. Mostly because of the comfort/practicality of it. It provides 'cover' while still giving the 'freedom' otherwise felt by being nude.

I neither look like a woman nor try to or want to look like a woman. I'm a perfectly normal man sexually attracted to women, and although I wouldn't go shopping in Tesco's or walk around town wearing this 'skirt' I think in certain circumstances such as in the vicinity of the sea/beach whether home or abroad, or around the house/garden when relaxing at home, it is a perfectly acceptable, comfortable, practical and even handsome garment for a man to wear.

Back in history skirts were traditionally a male garment, not a female one, and in its country of origin, the sarong is also essentially a male garment.

Alf Huckham? As I've said I'm new to this forum and have only read this thread so if someone has picked up on this elsewhere - sorry. But no-one appears to have noticed that 'Alf Huckham' is probably a pseudonym rather than a real name and looks like a play on the sound: 'Alf Huckham' > 'I'll F*** em'... seems to me the guy (?) is a typical web forum troll.

What a Rude individual you are.

i agree with cloth clothesfree

[clothesfree]

What a Rude individual you are.

Blunt, direct, honest - yes, rude? No I don't think so. But I do have a particular disdain for trouble makers (trolls) on web site forums. I have an Internet business with people who use digital forensic software who can trace geographic (postal) addresses from an IP address - and a very efficient PR team who do home visits. So be a good boy (or girl)

[fatzke]

What a Rude individual you are.

Blunt, direct, honest - yes, rude? No I don't think so. But I do have a particular disdain for trouble makers (trolls) on web site forums. I have an Internet business with people who use digital forensic software who can trace geographic (postal) addresses from an IP address - and a very efficient PR team who do home visits. So be a good boy (or girl)

Ooooooooooooo, I am looking forward to a Cross Dresser on the Estate.

That would be most interesting.

And searching for my details too, tut tut, plus informing me in the public domain. I have printed off yer post- just in case!

Now run along.

I dont care about youuuuuuuuu

[clothesfree]

Ooooooooooooo, I am looking forward to a Cross Dresser on the Estate.

That would be most interesting.

And searching for my details too, tut tut, plus informing me in the public domain. I have printed off yer post- just in case!

Now run along.

1 I'm not a cross-dresser
2 Where my guys are based (outside the UK) the DPA doesn't exist
3 I really don't care in any case
4 What Internet trolls do can be classed as malicious on-line harassment - cyberstalking, a criminal offence under UK law (Malicious Communications Act) carrying a maximum penalty of £5000 fine or six months imprisonment - it only takes someone to be distressed by your posts...
5 Now you run along

[KiltyCol]

What a Rude individual you are.

Blunt, direct, honest - yes, rude? No I don't think so. But I do have a particular disdain for trouble makers (trolls) on web site forums. I have an Internet business with people who use digital forensic software who can trace geographic (postal) addresses from an IP address - and a very efficient PR team who do home visits. So be a good boy (or girl)

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I must pop over to Sheffield to watch the fun. Have you got that crooked church spire fixed near your work, yet, Alf. Are you afraid of heights?

By the way, Alf; don't wear a skirt or kilt when you climb the crooked spire.

[KiltyCol]

Thanks, Alf.

[fatzke]

not an issue old bean

Always same with you

[KiltyCol]

BRICK, Yeah.

[forkhandles]

It’s curious how our dress codes have evolved to a point now where women can wear pretty much anything, whereas men have effectively been backed into a corner with very basic trousers/shirts/sweaters/pants/socks routine.
I’ve tried to think of any large high street clothes shops that are a male equivalent to Dorothy Perkins, New Look, M&Co, Topshop, etc..
Are Burton’s still going? There’s Top Man, usually pushed into a corner of Topshop like most menswear depts in Debehams, M&S etc, selling the usual ragbag. Can’t think of any others . We have some small independent retailers in the town where I work, but they’re geared to either old boys(tweed), or young boys(street gear)…with money (premium prices).

I was reading a thread somewhere which put forward an interesting theory that we have reached this point because historically men's clothes have evolved from utilitarian or military use, ie, for manual work in fields,factories, down pit, or going into battle which is what men did. I suppose this explains the kilt as the ‘anomally’ in a man’s wardrobe coming from the Greeks,Romans,& Scots Dragoon Guards! Women’s clothes by contrast were more aesthetic rather than functional being more suited to looking pretty while they played the housewife/little lady at home.
As women’s roles changed during the 20th century, their clothes have been adapted to be more functional, but still retaining their aesthetic appeal & using softer fabrics that they had before, where they don’t need to be so hardwearing. Basically women now have the best of both function, ornamentation, & diversity in their wardrobe but guys are still hung up on the uniform or utilitarian thing even though in the 21st century their role is now changing.

The Kilt aside, I think the idea of trying to adapt a women’s wardrobe , including skirts or dresses for men (as Paul Gautier & others have tried) is doomed to failure because it’s just a fudge & isn’t addressing what a lot of guys (if you believe the statistics) out there actually want. That is the option to wear the same variety of clothes & styles women are able to wear..the whole kit…. including the killer heels.

It’s a padora’s box, because unfortunately the only current point of reference for people generally seeing guys who dress this way is the gay/TV/TS/drag/pantomime queen labels. They provoke reactions ranging hilarity, embarrassment, anger, to having them sent off for treatment for perceived mental or behavioral disorders. A bit like the way some women were committed to mental institutions in past times for having opinions, showing independent thought, wanting equal rights with men, &..wearing trousers? (maybe!).
It’s no wonder then that heterosexual men who dress up covertly do this with a lot of fear, even of others who do the same because of the suspicion of what their motivation is.

‘Trouser Tranny’, although used negatively, is actually quite a positive first step in the liberation of mens fashion. Guys starting to wear what they really want under the veneer of accepted appearance. There’s more labels for this of course…kinky, deviant..etc . Why should women have all the fun wearing exotic underwear that feels sexy…it is underwear so it’s your own private space. Just be prepared to face upto the A&E dept if you get ill or have an accident!

Unfortunately, I don’t see the day coming soon when guys can easily walk around dressed in clothes currently perceived as womens only, without the usual connotations/accusations. I guess for the present you either just do it & take it on the chin, or try & pass yourself off as female to make it look ‘acceptable’ to everyone, (but that just perpetuates the current myths about why you’re doing it).

It’s almost like we need some Johnny Rotten type punk fashionista as a torch bearer to stick 2 fingers upto the boring old farts, & flush the established men’s dress code down the toilet because it doesn’t belong here anymore. It should come from the younger generation, but at the moment I just can’t see the current bunch who are welded into their sports leisure wear & Nike trainers taking up the baton. If one of their mates turned up in a tie & suit he’d get beaten up, so no chance then in a cocktail dress & pair of slingbacks….

[KiltyCol]

It is interesting how things are beginning to change. At my workplace, we often don't wear neckties in the office any more, but tend to dress smartly, including ties, when we have a meeting with clients.
So often now, the clients don't wear ties, so why do we bother with this ancient tyrannical dress code.
I think that as long as you are clean and tidy, then nearly anything should be acceptable, dress code wise.

[KiltyCol]

It is interesting how things are beginning to change. At my workplace, we often don't wear neckties in the office any more, but tend to dress smartly, including ties, when we have a meeting with clients. So often now, the clients don't wear ties, so why do we bother with this ancient tyrannical dress code.
I think that as long as you are clean and tidy, then nearly anything should be acceptable, dress code wise.

We are the same in my Firm Col

It is nice to feel accepted, playing bass in the Church music team in my denim kilt. People at my church are very accepting. It is nice when people accept you for the person that you are and not just for what you look like.

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[johnie]

to forkhandle

I see what you are getting at, but I think we will get that freedom, but it will take a long time. Women did not get the freedom to wear pants overnight. At first, the movement to get themselves accepted in pants started when some women decided they wanted to wear pants, and nobody was going to stop them. But of course there was no womens pants to be had, so they bought mens pants and wore those. So they were Cross Dressing. It took about 3 years for makers to see it was not just a femail fad, and there was money to be made. THEN they designed and made womens pants. But untill then the women wore mens pants, they were laughted at, called names, were not allowed in some churches in pants etc etc, but THEY STUCK IT OUT, and look where they are now. That is where men will be defeated. They dont want to be called names, laughted at etc, and will no go on with it. So, I am not going to be forced to stay in pants. I now wear kilts every day, and tights and other mens
undies designed for men on the lines of womens. I am free in what I wear, and have the backing of my wife, bless her. I have tartan kilts in my collection, but now I wear black fashion kilts made from polyester, with a lovely soft feel, from midasclothing. Great they are. I think if more men would wear kilts (they are a mans garment) then it would be accepted for men later to slowly change over to skirts. Thats my opinion.

johnie