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Postby swee on Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:23 pm

Homeboy wrote:Swee I promise to read your 10 part theory later today.


:lol: You should wait until you have at least an hour or two, it's pretty long :rotflmao:
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Postby Lors on Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:24 pm

kinghelfer wrote:...history is ALWAYS writen by the Victorious, try looking at it and politics from the point of view of those with the least to gain............. :wink:


I have a friend who lives in Germany, and the stuff she was taught about WW2 compared to the stuff I was taught was creepily different! :shock:

I don't like this! :evil:
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Postby swee on Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:30 pm

Hitler was hoodwinked by the Allies. There were deals behind the scenes. So in effect, his actions that caused the death of millions were propagated by us.
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Postby kinghelfer on Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:35 pm

:P ....not to mention that Stalin killed more of his OWN people after WW2 than Hitler killed with the Final Solution.......... :wink:
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Postby Lors on Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:36 pm

swee wrote:Hitler was hoodwinked by the Allies. There were deals behind the scenes. So in effect, his actions that caused the death of millions were propagated by us.


:shock:

So, do you think he would have acted the way he did, if that had not happened?
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Postby swee on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:21 pm

Lors wrote:
swee wrote:Hitler was hoodwinked by the Allies. There were deals behind the scenes. So in effect, his actions that caused the death of millions were propagated by us.


:shock:

So, do you think he would have acted the way he did, if that had not happened?


Let me go hunting on my hard drive. If I try to recall from memory I'll just spout a load of bullsh!t :rotflmao:
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Postby Danko on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:23 pm

kinghelfer wrote::P ....not to mention that Stalin killed more of his OWN people after WW2 than Hitler killed with the Final Solution.......... :wink:


And more Jews.
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Postby swee on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:29 pm

Lors wrote::shock:

So, do you think he would have acted the way he did, if that had not happened?


Here's one theory.

Hitler didn't want a world war, and had no stomach for fighting England, according to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Louis Kilzer, author of Churchill's Deception (Simon & Schuster, 1994).
Hitler believed the future of Western civilization depended on the cooperation of Germany and her Aryan cousins: England and the United States. His territorial demands were limited to Communist Russia, which he regarded as a proxy for Jewish world ambitions. He was determined to avoid fighting a war on two fronts.

The "miracle at Dunkirk" was in fact an extraordinary peace overture to England. We don't normally associate Hitler with such magnanimity.

In May 1940, the British were on the verge of defeat. The English army was trapped at Dunkirk. Rather than take them prisoner, Hitler halted his generals for three days allowing 330,000 men to escape.

"The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to shed," Hitler said. "Our two people belong together racially and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim, even if our generals can't grasp it." (Kilzer, p.213)

This is not an attempt to exonerate Hitler. His ideology of Aryan racial supremacy and his enslavement/extermination of "inferior races" ( mainly Jews and Slavs) are abhorrent to me. (Do I need to say this?) My own grandparents were murdered by the Nazis. I believe people can take pride in their race or nationality without seeking to dominate others.

Nonetheless we should understand that our view of Hitler is influenced by propaganda. The Allies were also guilty of atrocities and war crimes. Furthermore, Hitler was created, manipulated and destroyed by the same Illuminist clique that runs the world today.

"CHURCHILL'S DECEPTION"

According to Kilzer's well-documented book, Hitler was trying to convince the English to make peace. In exchange, he was ready to retreat from Western Europe and from much of Poland.

Kilzer describes how British Intelligence (an arm of the Illuminati) took advantage of Hitler's racist ideology to divert his energies against Russia and trap him in a two-front war. They convinced him that a large pro Nazi (anti Communist) "Peace Party" was prepared to unseat the "war monger" Churchill.

This party consisted of the Duke of Windsor (the former King Edward VIII) and appeasement-minded elitists known as the "Cliveden Set." The Nazis had longstanding social ties with this group and confided in them. Hitler seemed to overlook the fact that Windsor went to stay at the Rothschild castle in Austria after he abdicated.

Rudolph Hess, the Deputy Leader of Nazi Germany, was in contact with the Cliveden group and flew to England May 10, 1941 to negotiate peace. According to Kilzer, Hess had Hitler's blessings.

Coincidentally this was the worst night of the Blitz. Afterward, there was a long lull in both Nazi and British bombing raids. It appears the Nazis thought they had an understanding with the British and turned their attention to the invasion of Russia the following month (June 22, 1941.)

Hitler didn't understand that the Anglo American elite was (and still is) intimately connected with international (i.e. Rothschild) finance. Anglo American imperialism is in fact a front for the families that own the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve. These Jewish and non-Jewish families are connected by money, marriage and Lucifer worship (i.e. Freemasonry). Both Roosevelt and Churchill were their flunkies. (All our "leaders" are.)

In 1776 Meyer Rothschild financed the Illuminati, a Masonic secret society that in turn spawned the major revolutions of the modern era including the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917. The ultimate aim is to establish the banker world dictatorship, which is at an advanced stage today.

In the 1930's their purpose was to incite a two-front war that would leave the great nation states (England, Germany and Russia) prostrate. Like all wars, the purpose was to kill millions of people, traumatize humanity, increase public debt and private profit, and make "world government" (the future UN) seem essential for "peace."

The 1930's British Policy of Appeasement was probably designed to encourage Hitler's expansionist tendencies and to provoke war. Douglas Reed, the (London) Times Correspondent in Berlin, was first tipped off to something fishy when his newspaper suppressed his warnings of the Hitler menace. (See his Controversy of Zion)

ROTHSCHILD CONDUCTS RED SYMPHONY

Why would the financial elite also want to destroy Russia, which they created?

The transcript of the 1938 NKVD interrogation of C.G. Rakowsky (a.k.a Chaim Rakeover) provides the answer. Rakowsky was an intimate of Trotsky's and former Soviet ambassador to Paris.

Rothschild's agent Leon Trotsky was supposed to succeed Lenin but got sick at the critical moment. Stalin was able to assume power and divert Russia from Rothschild control.

In order to control Stalin, international finance was forced to build up Hitler and the Nazi party. Rakowsky confirms that Jewish financiers backed the Nazis although Hitler was not aware of this.

"The ambassador Warburg presented himself under a false name and Hitler did not even guess his race... he also lied regarding whose representative he was... Our aim was to provoke a war and Hitler was war...[the Nazis] received...millions of dollars sent to it from Wall Street, and millions of Marks from German financiers through Schacht; [providing] the upkeep of the S.A and the S.S. and also the financing of the elections..."

Unfortunately for the bankers, Hitler also proved intractable. He started to print his own money!

"He took over for himself the privilege of manufacturing money and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones; he took over the untouched machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the state... Are you capable of imagining what would have come ...if it had infected a number of other states and brought about the creation of a period of autarchy [absolute rule, replacing that of the bankers]. If you can, then imagine its counterrevolutionary functions..."

Hitler had become a bigger threat than Stalin, who had not meddled with money. The British were not going to make peace with Hitler because he had stopped the banker's racket. Furthermore, the Illuminati wanted an extended war, the ruin of Europe and the expansion of the USSR.

HITLER'S SECRET BACKERS

The book "Financial Origins of National Socialism" (1933) by "Sydney Warburg" provides another glimpse of how the Illuminist clique supported Hitler. This 70-page booklet was suppressed for many years but was republished in 1983 as "Hitler's Secret Backers."

"Warburg" describes a July 1929 meeting with "Carter," the President of J.P. Morgan's Guarantee Trust, the Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks, "the young Rockefeller" and "Glean from Royal Dutch." These are all Rothschild dominated.

It was determined that Warburg who spoke German should travel to Germany and ask Hitler how much money he needed to overthrow the state. The only stipulation was that Hitler adopts "an aggressive foreign policy."

"Warburg" details five meetings with Hitler between 1929 and 1933. The first took place in a beer cellar and Hitler calculated his needs on the back of a paper plate. About $25 million was transferred. This was extremely important in the depth of the depression because the Nazis provided food and shelter to many of their supporters.

Hitler wasn't told the reason for this support and did not ask. On two occasions, he wondered out loud if "Warburg" was himself Jewish but dismissed the idea before "Warburg" could reply.

There is no "Sydney Warburg" but the internal evidence suggests the author could be James Warburg, son of Federal Reserve founder Paul Warburg. Many people dismiss this monograph as yet another fraud but the wealth of accurate detail and anecdote suggests otherwise.

One wonders why anyone would go to this much trouble to alienate the most powerful people in the world if he weren't sincere. The only people with the power to suppress it are the ones it incriminates, and they have a record of suppressing similar works.

See also Antony Sutton's Discussion of this book.

CONCLUSION

"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." George Orwell

The winners write history. Our view of Hitler and the Second World War is largely a Jewish view. I am only beginning this research and will happily admit my errors. These are my tentative conclusions:

While I utterly reject Hitler's racist ideology and atrocities, he may have represented the last serious resistance to the Illuminist agenda.

Paradoxically Hitler was created and manipulated by the bankers he railed against. He lost the war because he didn't appreciate their larger agenda. He naively failed to recognize that they controlled England and the United States. It's as if he didn't believe his own propaganda.

Blinded by racist zeal, he made a fatal blunder (from his point of view) of not neutralizing England by seizing the Middle Eastern oilfields. He made another fatal error by not promising to liberate the Russian people from oppression. Nazi brutality turned the Slavs into implacable fighters.

But for his demented racist ideology and consequent barbarism, Hitler might have done some good. Many Germans and even some German Jews supported him. Instead he was another pawn in the Illuminati's diabolical game.


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Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto. He welcomes your feedback and ideas at henry@savethemales.ca. Republished by permission. Originally published at: http://www.savethemales.ca/000629.html

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Now when you read through that massive article I posted, you'll see the same families involved in political movement, time and again.
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Postby swee on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:43 pm

Queen_B*tch wrote:haha there is a group of people from each country that get together each year to discuss it! I cant remember the name I will come back with it!


Found it! :)

If you've never heard the word "Bilderberg" don't feel you are uninformed. Some of the best-read people have no knowledge of this organization - formally known by its leadership and members as "The Bilderberg Meetings."

For more than 50 years, acting as a global ruling elite, Bilderberg's very name and activities have remained largely hidden in the shadows, despite its immense clout in directing world affairs.

Although in 1992, Larry Pope, the executive editor of the Citizen Times newspaper told one of its readers in a letter that "to my knowledge, such an organization does not exist and a media conspiracy to keep its existence a secret would be ludicrous," the evidence shows otherwise.

Now with the release of the Bilderberg Diary by veteran journalist James P. Tucker Jr., those who've never known of Bilderberg will get a first-hand account of its history (and its misdeeds) from the one journalist who has doggedly tailed the Bilderbergers all over the United States and Europe for the last quarter of a century.

Although mass media in the United States - both print and broadcast - has determinedly suppressed news and information about - and the very existence of - Bilderberg, Tucker has established himself as the world's foremost authority on Bilderberg, reporting on their intrigues in the pages of the D.C.-based American Free Press.

In Bilderberg Diary Jim Tucker lays out - for the first time - his entire remarkable history of covering Bilderberg, his infiltration of Bilderberg meetings, the procurement of their private documents, and the shining of the spotlight of public scrutiny on Bilderberg's shadowy affairs.

Tucker's colorful prose will introduce you to the little-known arena of the Bilderberg elite, a memorable and panoramic journey that lays bare the realities behind modern day international power politics in a way never seen before
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Postby OCTAVIOUS on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:54 pm

Quick.... someone post that landing a man on the moan was a hoax!

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Postby swee on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:55 pm

OCTAVIOUS wrote:Quick.... someone post that landing a man on the moan was a hoax!


Freudian slip there, Steve.

MAN ON THE MOAN???

That's you, for sure :lol:
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Postby OCTAVIOUS on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:57 pm

Phase III...
Phase III my arse...

Pick up a book on world history.

If it's going to happen... it already would have!

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Postby Lena on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:58 pm

I don't know anything about the new world order .I'm a little shy about talking about this since it sounds alot like a now dead granddaddy and his klan buddys talk that the Roman pope and the jews trying to take over the world . The right wing tv preachers here who I think are all fakes also talk about the New World Order alot .

Then again do know something is wrong out there. Americans are being stabbed inthe back by the rich many times with globalization .Mainly since all the good paying factory jobs are disappearing here . The American corporations who back Republicans like litle georgey and wrap themselves in the flag think nothing of closing plants and setting up new ones in foreign countrys where they don't have to pay workers much .

Also many companys are trying to cut labor costs by bring in foreign workers on contract . My hotel has waitresses here from Ireland , accountants from Pakistan , janitors from mexico who are illegal aliens a whole house keeping crew from poland . Can't blame those people for wanting work but the jobs should go to to other Americans . I hear many companys also like the idea of all these illegal aliens coming in from Mexico since they can pay them less and drive down wages for al of us . Again can't blame the Mexicans for wanting work but those are our jobs and there lowering everyone's wages . Won't even get into how in 20-30 years there may be so many Mexicans here we'll be the United States of North Mexico .
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Postby OCTAVIOUS on Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:00 pm

swee wrote:
OCTAVIOUS wrote:Quick.... someone post that landing a man on the moan was a hoax!


Freudian slip there, Steve.

MAN ON THE MOAN???

That's you, for sure :lol:



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby swee on Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:02 pm

OCTAVIOUS wrote:
swee wrote:
OCTAVIOUS wrote:Quick.... someone post that landing a man on the moan was a hoax!


Freudian slip there, Steve.

MAN ON THE MOAN???

That's you, for sure :lol:



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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