Reasons to elect Obama.

[DanMc]

One cannot help illness.

If one has an ill child, why should that child not be treated?

Yes. But not by me.
I'm not responsible for a child just because two individuals irresponsibly brought into the world one they cannot themselves take care of.
If, as ADULTS, you cannot afford to care for a child... you shouldn't be having sex to begin with!
Am I right or wrong there?

Why not by you? As a proclaimed Christian would it not be your duty not to let the child die because you would rather keep the money and spend it on yourself? Sounds a bit like "am I my brother's keeper".

Are you right or wrong there? You are very wrong indeed.

Your thinking charity/altruism can be forced via taxation.
It cannot be.
Simply because you end up in jail for not being "charitable"!

You end up in jail for not obeying the law. We've been through this so many times it's tedious, but I didn't agree with Blairs decision to spend our money and risk the lives of our troops on Bushes oil war and I was always 100% sure the WMD argument was a lie (maybe you didn't see the pictures of Blair pouring with stress sweat and squirming when he was questioned about it) but I still had to pay my taxes and contribute to it.

[ZiaAries]

Reason # 4 to elect Obama - Because the people that hate Americans, the Europeans, want him to win. Yes listen to those that curse us, especially since they are so open to hear what we have to say. You got it, I'll honor you and vote Obama. When pigs fly.

[DanMc]

Reason # 4 to elect Obama - Because the people that hate Americans, the Europeans, want him to win. Yes listen to those that curse us, especially since they are so open to hear what we have to say. You got it, I'll honor you and vote Obama. When pigs fly.

Well I still think you're wrong about that. I don't want Obama to win because I hate America, but because I want it to return to what it stood for under Kennedy and Carter (OK I'm not suggesting that either were perfect) - a progressive influence for good in the world not the agent of aggression and intolerance that Bush has made it seem like.

[Fred75]

One cannot help illness.

If one has an ill child, why should that child not be treated?

Yes. But not by me.
I'm not responsible for a child just because two individuals irresponsibly brought into the world one they cannot themselves take care of.
If, as ADULTS, you cannot afford to care for a child... you shouldn't be having sex to begin with!
Am I right or wrong there?

Why not by you? As a proclaimed Christian would it not be your duty not to let the child die because you would rather keep the money and spend it on yourself? Sounds a bit like "am I my brother's keeper".

Are you right or wrong there? You are very wrong indeed.

Your thinking charity/altruism can be forced via taxation.
It cannot be.
Simply because you end up in jail for not being "charitable"!

You end up in jail for not obeying the law.

So then you think those not charitable should be jailed?

[Fred75]

Reason # 4 to elect Obama - Because the people that hate Americans, the Europeans, want him to win. Yes listen to those that curse us, especially since they are so open to hear what we have to say. You got it, I'll honor you and vote Obama. When pigs fly.

Well I still think you're wrong about that. I don't want Obama to win because I hate America, but because I want it to return to what it stood for under Kennedy and Carter (OK I'm not suggesting that either were perfect) - a progressive influence for good in the world not the agent of aggression and intolerance that Bush has made it seem like.

You honestly think Kennedy wouldn't have retaliated somewhere after 911?
Because I think any president that failed to do anything along those lines would have gone down in history as the biggest coward ever!

[DanMc]

One cannot help illness.

If one has an ill child, why should that child not be treated?

Yes. But not by me.
I'm not responsible for a child just because two individuals irresponsibly brought into the world one they cannot themselves take care of.
If, as ADULTS, you cannot afford to care for a child... you shouldn't be having sex to begin with!
Am I right or wrong there?

Why not by you? As a proclaimed Christian would it not be your duty not to let the child die because you would rather keep the money and spend it on yourself? Sounds a bit like "am I my brother's keeper".

Are you right or wrong there? You are very wrong indeed.

Your thinking charity/altruism can be forced via taxation.
It cannot be.
Simply because you end up in jail for not being "charitable"!

You end up in jail for not obeying the law.

So then you think those not charitable should be jailed?

Should I have been jailed if I had refused to pay my taxes because I didn't want to support the Bush/Blair oil war?

[Fred75]

One cannot help illness.

If one has an ill child, why should that child not be treated?

Yes. But not by me.
I'm not responsible for a child just because two individuals irresponsibly brought into the world one they cannot themselves take care of.
If, as ADULTS, you cannot afford to care for a child... you shouldn't be having sex to begin with!
Am I right or wrong there?

Why not by you? As a proclaimed Christian would it not be your duty not to let the child die because you would rather keep the money and spend it on yourself? Sounds a bit like "am I my brother's keeper".

Are you right or wrong there? You are very wrong indeed.

Your thinking charity/altruism can be forced via taxation.
It cannot be.
Simply because you end up in jail for not being "charitable"!

You end up in jail for not obeying the law.

So then you think those not charitable should be jailed?

Should I have been jailed if I had refused to pay my taxes because I didn't want to support the Bush/Blair oil war?

That's not the same subject.
Until you understand that I'm wasting both our time.

[The Colonel]

DanMc's points are perfectly valid - you must answer them Fred.

If a person wasn't paying for a war through their taxes - maybe they would have the cash to pay for medical care.....no?

[ZiaAries]

Reason # 4 to elect Obama - Because the people that hate Americans, the Europeans, want him to win. Yes listen to those that curse us, especially since they are so open to hear what we have to say. You got it, I'll honor you and vote Obama. When pigs fly.

Well I still think you're wrong about that. I don't want Obama to win because I hate America, but because I want it to return to what it stood for under Kennedy and Carter (OK I'm not suggesting that either were perfect) - a progressive influence for good in the world not the agent of aggression and intolerance that Bush has made it seem like.

George Bush is not running for office. A huge fact that idiots refuse to acknowledge.

I am weary of Obama because of issues that has been brought up by non-Americans and the ugliness that is a constant on the board. Come on, you don't care about Americans or America.

I didn't know who I was going to vote for until Bushwalker and ToG helped me with my decision. All of the reasons they pointed out to vote for him, had nothing to do America. You all keep talking about what's good for you and the rest of the world. Hey, we vote for the President of the United States, not a President of the world. I want attention paid to my country.

As for thinking I'm wrong about my posts, Dan.... go back and read how others posts and the vile sarcasm with no respect given that these words are written by another human of the world too. Yall post like it's your election and what you do write is enough to change many votes. My decision was made 100% by you guys.

I put America first and foremost. I will take care of myself. I wish others would do the same. I'm like Fred (in a small way), I'm tired of all the crying and pouting by adults that need to get off their tuffs and do something and stop expecting someone else to do it for them.

If you think the last 8 years have been bad.... we haven't seen nothing yet if Obama is put in office.

Why don't you check out how much money is public record the Obama pocketed from the fall of the financial institution. He is not walking away poor. I haven't heard one word about him giving any back. BTW, it was NOT money earned.

[Fred75]

DanMc's points are perfectly valid - you must answer them Fred.

If a person wasn't paying for a war through their taxes - maybe they would have the cash to pay for medical care.....no?

Valid????
Then explain to me how CHARITY comes into play with his BS?

[Ivan Diederhoff]

One cannot help illness.

If one has an ill child, why should that child not be treated?

Yes. But not by me.
I'm not responsible for a child just because two individuals irresponsibly brought into the world one they cannot themselves take care of.
If, as ADULTS, you cannot afford to care for a child... you shouldn't be having sex to begin with!
Am I right or wrong there?

Why not by you? As a proclaimed Christian would it not be your duty not to let the child die because you would rather keep the money and spend it on yourself? Sounds a bit like "am I my brother's keeper".

Are you right or wrong there? You are very wrong indeed.

Your thinking charity/altruism can be forced via taxation.
It cannot be.
Simply because you end up in jail for not being "charitable"!

You must be a real delight for your neighborhood! Do you call the police on a dog barking at a squirrel, because "your tax dollars pay civil servants," like police? Those same tax dollars also pay for rescue and paramedic services, so you are funding into the social benefit! Don't want higher taxes? Cut your police and fire! Throw out your city council and mayor, that'll save you a lot of money. Want more small businesses? Open a couple more fast food joints where people can't afford to apply for a mortgage let alone make an offer on one of those new houses that aren't selling. Maybe you can entice the chinese to open a baby formula factory and give them tax breaks to poison and pollute your water table! There ya go Fred, you can solve your money woes just like that! I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you grandchildren need to go to school but the conservatives that consistently vote down millages have to pony up their own blood money to pay for it!

[The Chairman]

Reason # 4 to elect Obama - Because the people that hate Americans, the Europeans, want him to win. Yes listen to those that curse us, especially since they are so open to hear what we have to say. You got it, I'll honor you and vote Obama. When pigs fly.

The word according to ZiaAries is that a reason to elect Obama is because europeans hate Americans....! If europeans hated Americans then none of you would be able to step off a plane onto european soil.

Its the eight years of a Republican government that europe has an issue with and not Americans.... Its the conflicts that America expects european countries to take part in and suffer the loss of its citizens fighting American wars without an apology and thats just the start of it.

The way Americans go on about being an American makes it sound as if being an American is something to aspire to... Take the word " freedom "... theres more freedom in europe than America and there always will be. In America "freedom" comes at a price and in europe "freedom" is a human right...!

[Ivan Diederhoff]

I think it goes deeper than that, Chairman. Consider this, of the last 28 years, 20 have been under republican rule. Why does it come as such a mystery that the conservative platform is flawed? You simply cannot look after the interests of a select few at the expense of the great many and sustain a healthy domestic economy! All the wars, and foreign affairs blunders, and failed domestic policy will have to be cleaned up, and now that the tab is beginning to be talied, the conservatives are arms are shrinking from their wallets. They refer to liberals as "tax and spend;" yet they themselves are spend and spend, without consideration for where the money comes from. It's amazing, scary, but amazing.

[ZiaAries]

Reason # 4 to elect Obama - Because the people that hate Americans, the Europeans, want him to win. Yes listen to those that curse us, especially since they are so open to hear what we have to say. You got it, I'll honor you and vote Obama. When pigs fly.

The word according to ZiaAries is that a reason to elect Obama is because europeans hate Americans....! If europeans hated Americans then none of you would be able to step off a plane onto european soil.

Its the eight years of a Republican government that europe has an issue with and not Americans.... Its the conflicts that America expects european countries to take part in and suffer the loss of its citizens fighting American wars without an apology and thats just the start of it.

The way Americans go on about being an American makes it sound as if being an American is something to aspire to... Take the word " freedom "... theres more freedom in europe than America and there always will be. In America "freedom" comes at a price and in europe "freedom" is a human right...!

Chairman, I can't think of any valid reason to vote for him so... I'm just trying to answer the topic question with some sort of an answer. Sorry, but if you want me to give any real reasons I would vote Obama.... sweetie, I can NOT think of one.

Do you want the truth OR do you want me to say he is a great man sent by the almighty to heal the world? Again, I can not think of ONE reason to vote for him. Health care can be achieved with out putting him in the role of Commander-in-Chief. He will be a disgrace to that title.

Your written bile about America hasn't given me any reason to take your posts in the political section too serious. Sorry. Why do you care? You don't care about America. Okay? Should I post a few of maxaceraspire's venom? BTW, You haven't even posted a good reason for an American to vote for him.

Chairman, You have posted so much filth about America, most of which you posted under your member's name of maxaceraspire, before you changed over to the one you use now. I haven't forgotten about max/her/you. So... yeah, If I hated America, I'd vote for Obama.

As for Dan Mc.... Dan, your written word carries more weight with me. You post within reason and until you show a disrespect and ugliness, I will take your word as written from good intent and you will receive my consideration. Thanks Dan. X

[Cambridge]

And don’t forget, Chairman. You keep cheering for these scary socialist republicans.