The Declaration of RE-Independence: S.O.S.

[Guest]

[jojo22]

I agree that capitalism has swung past the healthy point of the pendulum - I'm not advocating communism - which has shown itself to also swing past the healthy point of the pendulum. (Mix idealistic theories with the collective locust nature of humans and viola!).

There is a need to get things in healthy balance and somehow we devolved into rampant consumerism that is threatening the health of our families and also the health of the planet that sustains us. This is not least because of the pursuit of greed and widening profit margins - funnelling into the pockets of the few off the backs of the many.

[Guest]

Capitalism is predicated on human behavior being motivated by self-interest/greed. Wealth and income are retained by the producers of the wealth and income.

Socialism and communism are predicated on human behavior being motivated by altruism. Wealth and income are redistributed from those according to their abilities to those according to their needs.

History confirms that capitalistm has human nature right and socialism and communism have it wrong. Humans are most productive when motivated by self-interest/greed.

That said, a purely capitalistic society is tantamount to Social Darwinism. Those less able to compete in the marketplace will perish.

In my opinion, the system most conducive to maximum human achievement is a capitalist but with strong social safety nets to protect those unable to compete.

[jojo22]

That sounds like a reasonable proposition - but I think we also need to be aware that there is a saturation point with competitiveness. It can result in far too many people wanting to get into people's pockets, and maybe duping people or allowing them to overextend themselves in order to do so - what we need to have is increased financial literacy in such a competitive environment so people don't get lulled into serious financial harm to themselves and their families. Part of the excess competition is also this drive towards widening profit margins - so employers want cheap labour but high returns - however by a whole bunch of employers jipping their employees of reasonable wages then there is less consumer ability to engage in the products and services they are offerred.

I think a number of countries have been experiencing a sustained economic upswing for a while now but the strain and saturation point is starting to show, which means that a shift is likely to occur (already being seen in the housing market - which went ape). But maybe this is a natural part of the ebb and flow of the market - although it seems that there have been instances that instead of heeding the warning signs and trying to consolidate or regulate better, the greed of the market shoves it into a recession.

[Guest]

Better than Democracy and better than Capitalism is Meritocracy. It ensures the best in your society are allowed to become the best and everyone can be the very best they can be. The USA thinks it is a Meritocracy and in fact it's the best at it in the world, but it's still stuck with the old theories of Democracy which state "everyone" "deserves" the same in everything and Capitalism which states "very few" "deserve" the best in life. The cognitive dissonance when people try to make capitalism and democracy work together leads to socialism, taking the worst of both along with any hope of a Meritocracy. Just read the news in Europe and the hatred they have for anyone that get's too much above their "place" and you'll see it in action.

In my opinion, the system most conducive to maximum human achievement is a capitalist but with strong social safety nets to protect those unable to compete.

If you subsidise inaction you get more inaction. If you subsidise waste you get more waste. Social nets do both of the above.

Gross violations of a fair start to life, for instance education and prenatal care and childcare are not a social net, but rather efficent ways to ensure that a meritocracy can really be a meritocracy. Once you get your majority you should be on your own to make or break your place in society. No social net... for any but the damaged.

[CaptainChurch]

So far, I haven't seen one, and CaptainChurch is all over the planet....just type that in on google search, or even just the address line to see how internet "spiders", who are programmed for "equality", have a much higher regard for me then you folks.........and no "woman" has the guts to really compete in Love!
They believe that that they are "better" than the male humans, look down on them & can't see the tragedy above them.......even this country was based on Equality between people, and the lack of that is killing us all!

[Guest]

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So far, I haven't seen one, and CaptainChurch is all over the planet....just type that in on google search, or even just the address line to see how internet "spiders", who are programmed for "equality", have a much higher regard for me then you folks.........and no "woman" has the guts to really compete in Love!
They believe that that they are "better" than the male humans, look down on them & can't see the tragedy above them.......even this country was based on Equality between people, and the lack of that is killing us all!


captchurch (at) yahoo.com

But everyone isn't equal.

Jane spent 40 hours a week working while putting herself through law school.

John spent 40 hours a week working for a few months, but was fired and hasn't worked for 6 months because his benefits haven't run out on unemployment yet.

Should John be given a new car by Jane because it's unequal for her to have one and not him?

The "Rights" in the Declaration of Independance have nothing to do with addressing "unfairness". Life is unfair.

As far as your rant above. I'm laughing at you.

[CaptainChurch]

Because you "laugh", you are a fool who poisons everyone around her!
Women look down on men, keep them immature "little boys" so that they can control & manipulate them for $$$ & security....if your friend was really a 'help-mate', helping the man to be the best he can be, wise/mature and loving, we could ALL have a life {"Equality" is possible when practiced}, but you & others purposefully KEEP men un-equal, no matter where on the ship you are or your current condition, even in homeless shelters among the poor!

Jim Sorrell

[Guest]

Because you "laugh", you are a fool who poisons everyone around her!
Women look down on men, keep them immature "little boys" so that they can control & manipulate them for $$$ & security....if your friend was really a 'help-mate', helping the man to be the best he can be, wise/mature and loving, we could ALL have a life {"Equality" is possible when practiced}, but you & others purposefully KEEP men un-equal, no matter where on the ship you are or your current condition, even in homeless shelters among the poor!

Jim Sorrell

you talk a lot, but you're not saying anything

[jojo22]

Because you "laugh", you are a fool who poisons everyone around her!
Women look down on men, keep them immature "little boys" so that they can control & manipulate them for $$$ & security....if your friend was really a 'help-mate', helping the man to be the best he can be, wise/mature and loving, we could ALL have a life {"Equality" is possible when practiced}, but you & others purposefully KEEP men un-equal, no matter where on the ship you are or your current condition, even in homeless shelters among the poor!

Jim Sorrell

Wow - men really are victims by your argument, where is their self determination? So what do you prepose us women, who don't have the guts to compete in love(?!?!), do? In what ways should women be supporting their partners and really letting them shine and is this a reciprocal arrangement, because it would be lovely if we all have the support to shine - anything less would be, well, unequal.