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[Guest27]

I come off big, do I? I'm flattered.

I've seen you talking like a half-wit in a bunch of other threads. Why on earth you crack out the thesaurus for my benefit is beyond me, but make no mistake comrade, I am grateful.

Good luck, Guest27.

I'm flattered you think I use a thesaurus.

Was using the word in its literal sense - implying your desire to come off "big". People like you often compensate feelings of personal inadequacy; and that's why I wish you luck.

[PaulineTramezzani]

I come off big, do I? I'm flattered.

I've seen you talking like a half-wit in a bunch of other threads. Why on earth you crack out the thesaurus for my benefit is beyond me, but make no mistake comrade, I am grateful.

Good luck, Guest27.

ezra, are you familiar with one euchrid pond?

[Guest]

I'm flattered you think I use a thesaurus.

I don't really. Just acknowledge that the kind of person to use a word like "ostensibly" on an internet message board, is, nine times out of ten, going to be a c-nt. If I use a word like "ineluctable", feel free to call me the same. I'm of the belief that if it can be expressed in monosyllables, it should be. We're not in the natural sciences here, comrade.

Was using the word in its literal sense..

No, you were not. You have no idea how large I am.

...implying your desire to come off "big".

"Big", like, how? I'm fascinated. From this new found fascination with all facets of the human psyche, I can only assume that you have progressed a few inches in your Psychology studies?

People like you often compensate feelings of personal inadequacy; and that's why I wish you luck.

If you weren't angry with me, you'd not take these silly little passive-aggressive jabs. If you were attempting to be the bigger person, you'd probably just say something genuinely pleasant to me, shake your head, and then sign off. You must have a full, exciting life! Go off and live it, my boy! I'll be here ranting about my prepuce.

ezra, are you familiar with one euchrid pond?

Why on earth bother signing in to post that?

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Now, if you don't mind, ladies and gentlemen, I'd be most appreciative if we could get back to the original subject; not Guest27 and his armchair psychology.

Merci.

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[Guest]

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/

There were studies conducted beforehand that showed that circumcision actually increased risk of HIV transmission. Not surprisingly, that wasn't published. Why would it be?

The "study" was full of holes - the biggest and most obvious being that the circumcised men were Muslim, and so, only had sex after marriage, and only with the one person.

The U.S., the most circumcised nation in the industrial world, also has the highest rate of HIV and other STDs.

other than that links obvious bias, america doesn't hold the highest rates of hiv/aids infections. of the estimated 40 million hiv/aids suffers worldwide, 5.3 million of those live in south africa, making it the world's highest hiv/aids suffering country. over half - 26 million - of the world's hiv/aids suffers live in sub-saharan africa.

so, less hyperbole, please.

[sexy sana]

i have been with quite a few guys, even though im a Muslim family is fairly westernized, i even started my own daughters on the pill when they hit puberty.
I am able to feel the difference when having intercourse

[Guest27]

Ezra, you're right about me not being a big enough man to just ignore your jabs. I do have a life that should exclude coming here; it truly is a waste of my time. The mere fact I've been kept from the gym because of spending too much time on here on a number of occassions is evidence of that.

I hope you can eventually come to the same conclusion.

Additionally, not everybody who decides to speak formally with an extended vocabulary beyond a single syllable, when writing, is a c-nt. I write as the situation calls for, and in this case, I felt it was best to keep formal and passive; and when I do this, I write with the words that sound best or flow easiest. If I ever use a thesaurus, it's because I either have writer's block (something I only get on school assignments) or I can't think of the word I want. I've never once used it when posting here.

"Literal" as in the size of your messages/posts. You dissect every sentence methodically and unnecessarily, sometimes twice, often only to attempt belittling or humiliating people you've never met. It makes me believe you're compensating for something internal (call it armchair psych if you want) and looking for validation.

I don't claim to know enough about psychology to properly diagnose anything. I just don't feel like saying "this is just a lay opinion" whenever I say something. I've only just begun my studies and, if I come off as a pretentious wannabe hack psychologist, then it's because I'm passionate about what I've learned so far and eager to start hypothesizing and using what I know. I'm proud of what I've set out to do and what I've managed to do already (I've recently finished a term where I scored third highest in all of my Psych professor's classes for which I missed one extra credit assignment and made a perfect score on the final exam).

That's all I can think to say about it and this typing is annoying the sleeping beauty a few feet away, so I'm turning in.

Again, good luck.

[Ezra]

Cheers for the contribution, SexySana.

Let's keep to the subject.

[Guest]

Guest27.
Old man, words cannot express just how violently I detest you. Everything I have ever seen you post makes me want to vomit. The fact that you would use the word "ostensibly" speaks volumes about you. Hahaha.

All I want to say is why not be civil?

Was I not civil, comrade? Some idiot brought up abortion, of all things, and I dealt with him swiftly. What would you prefer me to do? Allow the thread to degenerate into an argument between relgious fundamentalists and those of us who actually have two brain cells to rub together? It may shock you, my dear boy... It may even cause you to spontaneously combust, but I do not undertake every action with the intent to please you. In fact, I have been known to make a decision or two with little to no regard for how the consequences will affect you, and how you will feel about it. Shocking, I know. I hope you were sitting down.

For which you shouldn't post such a misleading subject line.

"Would you circumcise your son(s)?" is a "misleading" subject line? I don't believe it is, comrade. I ask a question, people answer it. If you are referring to other threads, go and post in other threads, and if that is not to your satisfaction, and you demand even more of my attention, send a PM. Just please don't seek me out, since I would struggle to value your opinion less than I do presently.

You're trying to change minds, right? Well what's going to work best: amiable discussion or terrorism?

Actually, I'm not. Would I like people to stop circumcising their children? Yes. I would also like people to put an end to capitalism, but, unfortunately, it seems people are profoundly stupid, and no amount of argument is going to achieve either end. I'm just learning the motivations of these nincompoops. I am unlikely to learn anything new.

"Terrorism"? I can tell you're an American. You yanks are awful fond of throwing the word around.

"Amiable discussion"? You think I should be reasonable? An impossibility. Circumcising a child is completely unreasonable, particuarly for religious/"cultural" reasons. To entertain the possibility that those are legitimate, morally acceptable reasons for violating a child is to completely surrender reason. Surprisingly enough, once someone has surrendered reason, they are beyond reasoning. It follows. Try "reasoning" with a Neo-Nazi and see where it gets you - The principle is the same.

"Guest".
People only use "smilies" when they're frustrated, and scared of losing an argument.

you sound desperate to sound right.

I'm terribly sorry if that's how it came off, but I assure you that is not the case. Apparently you are entirely ignorant of the foreskin and the role it serves. It's role in intercourse is actually exceptionally important. The reason such a thing is difficult to measure is because, to conduct such a study scientifically, all other potential variables have to be kept constant, which of course is an impossibility. Not only that, but there are dozens of psychological factors to take into consideration.

On the foreskin and its gliding mechanism, look here for a helpful diagram:
http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/interc02.gif

And here is the written information:
http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/

Here's another helpful diagram:
http://www.circumstitions.com/Works.html

and no, i dont post a username or care about spelling or give a chunky nugget what you think.

Thank you for being civil. Now smarten up, or Guest27 will yell at you.

girls will always like seeing a face on their cocks, its simple stats.

You do realise that intact penises have heads, too, right? Point me to your "stats". You are painfully ignorant, and I have no reason to believe the people you claim to have asked are any different. Why do you find it so hard to accept that other people may possibly be a tad more knowledgeable than you? Are you angry with your parents?

every girl i ever talked to about it says skin there is like suckin down a worm or shoving a small elephants in her snatch.

Charming. I'm sure the 80+% of women in the world who frequently engage in acts of a sexual nature with intact males feel the exact same way. They're just waiting for studs like you to come along and show 'em how it's done!

medically i don't give a crap unless yur my doc.

I know far more about this than most (American) doctors do. The fact that many babies are circumcised for "phimosis" (which all medial authorities acknowledge cannot be diagnosed until adulthood), pretty much proves my point. Circumcision is a billion dollar business in the U.S., as is artificial <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/23_64_255/products_id/563' target="_blank">Lubricant</A>, which millions of men use to aid <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_64' target='_blank'>masturbation</A>, and millions of women use to ease penetration. The doctors are likely circumcised themselves. The doctors are not legally allowed to attempt to "influence" the parents, only to offer information, if asked. Think about it, buddy.

the way you bash other practices is xenophobic and closeminded

Oh puh-lease. We're not talking about different cuisine here, we're talking about, violating a child's rights, verus not violating a child's right. Tough call.

elliegirl.

Not really. Not really much difference for me at all as far as penetration is concerned. If anything, now that he is circumcised there seems to be slightly more friction, but not hugely noticeable.

Friction is undesirable. Women become lubricated so as to cut down on friction. It is the movement of pressure that stimulates, and friction is just something that may or may not go along with it.

"Not really" much of a difference. Hmm...

Anyway, may as well forget it. It's impossible to test these things. One can just go on good sense. I'm guessing you're emotionally attached to your boyfriend? Well that will be more than enough to cloud judgement.

F*** man im not reading all that. you must have WAY WAY too much time of yur hands. :/

what you said about what i said though...cuisine or w/e, it's being closeminded. the practice started with select groups but it doesnt mean it isnt different from other forms of surgery. the babies ive seen have it done cry but are fine and back to normal in days. no long term effects (besides having skin removed), only adult babies who want attention bitch about something done to them when they were babies. i got my tonsils removed and they aid in digesting food, and i knew a guy who got his pancreas taken out which helps do something i forget. points that skin is skin and organs are organs, but we evolve do where we don't need things but out bodies haven't evolved to the point of not having it. with what you call propaganda garbage with the smegma thing could be nature saying we don't want this thing crappin' up our downstairs or "constricting" the parts we do need. those dudes with the fancy scissors are just cuttin away then so we dont have to worry bout it later. if my bro says he doesn't feel any difference from when he had it, why should i think some mouthy guy on the net preachin crime and travesty without real experience tell me different

and you think you know more than a medically licensed professional whose been studying about a decade longer than you have? puh-lease yourself man, yur full o S***.

i aint gonna use these guys bc im scared. i dont get scared of words bro. fists maybe if yur bigger than me, but im using them to "emote" what i can't emote on here. which is why they made them.

im also not arguing with you. im telling you how it is.

speakin of which: i dont know or care what you and this guest 27 guy are about but if yur callin him on using cheap, bogus buzz words then you need to wake up and smell the nincompoops bud. yur vocab is chalked full of em.

speakin of you two, what he said bout you makes sense. validation and all that. though maybe you already know that too since yur comeback wasnt too snappy.

that is all. (<-almost forgot xD)

[Guest]

No, I'd get a doctor to do it.

[Guest]

No, I'd get a doctor to do it.

[Guest27]

You pathetic, obsessive asshole.

I don't have trouble listening; I have trouble agreeing with your attitude.

I'm not bothering with you though, because now I see you're just a small man behind a screen looking to feel big. Damn sad. So much so that it pains me to consider the reality.

Oh, and wrong again: 8.5 percent bodyfat at 165 Ibs with a max bench of 320. If you met me in a dark alley you'd be shitting yourself. Believe it.

[Guest]

F*** man im not reading all that.

Yes, yes. All that pesky reading! Far too strenuous an activity. Go back to your beer bongs and crack pipes.

you must have WAY WAY too much time of yur hands. :/

You're not wrong there.

what you said about what i said though...cuisine or w/e, it's being closeminded.

Close-minded? You really are a buffoon. Over 80% of the men in the world are not circumcised. It is only in the U.S. that circumcision is ever claimed to be medically "beneficial" or, even more amusingly, "necessary." It's also worth noting that this is no longer their view.

Here's just one link:
http://www.nocirc.org/position/ama2000.php

Circumcision is practiced in the U.S. because the parents want it. They are not entitled to it, but you have a sort of tyranny of the majority going on - that is, if the majority of people are doing something, no matter how insane and unreasonable, it is considered "normal".

Women are circumcising their sons because they are ignorant of the uncircumcised. Men are circumcising their sons because they want them to be the same as they are. One could spend years getting into the psychological reasoning behind it.

the practice started with select groups but it doesnt mean it isnt different from other forms of surgery.

Re-prase that. Is English your first language?

Jews circumcised because they didn't want to upset their irrational, wrathful God. Muslims circumcise as a "tribute" to Mohammed, who, according to legend, was born circumcised.

Now, why did circumcision spread to the U.S.? The truth may shock you!

http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=8&id=73&Itemid=52

And why has it stayed? Herd mentality. Look at yourself.

the babies ive seen have it done cry but are fine and back to normal in days. no long term effects (besides having skin removed)

I'm not going to dignify that. Do you think it's acceptable to sexually molest babies and children? No? Why not? A child has a right to integrity of body, yes? You could molest a child and they wouldn't remember it. You protect their rights. Circumcision is a violation of human rights.

I ask you one question: Why do you want to go out of your way to do this to a child? What is it about defenceless babies and their intact genitalia that makes you so irrational, unreasonable, and angry?

points that skin is skin and organs are organs, but we evolve do where we don't need things but out bodies haven't evolved to the point of not having it.

We can live without a lot of body parts. That doesn't mean we remove them. There are lots of parts you could cut out of a child, and choose not to. Why? Well why on earth would you.

And please don't attempt to talk about evolution. You are way out of your depth. The foreskin is a specialized part that has evolved over millions of years. It serves multiple purposes. If you are too stupid to grasp that, they we're through.

if my bro says he doesn't feel any difference from when he had it, why should i think some mouthy guy on the net preachin crime and travesty without real experience tell me different

How old was your brother? If he had been circumcised for legitimate medical reasons, then obviously, his foreskin would have been a source of discomfort for him, so he was relieved to be rid of it. Also, there are the psychological reasons. It is most likely that his circumcision was entirely unnecessary. He has two choices: He can hate his penis and his parents for the rest of his life, or, he can convince himself he's better off. People are quite good at being deluded. I don't have to tell you.

and you think you know more than a medically licensed professional whose been studying about a decade longer than you have?

One doesn't study foreskin for ten years, you idiot. One can learn all there is to learn about foreskin in just one afternoon. It happens to be a matter of fact, that in a lot of American medical schools, the doctors are not taught the functions of the foreskin, and what is lost with its removal. And, as I mentioned above, American medical associations no longer recommend circumcision for "non-theraputic" reasons, but of course they don't advise parents against it. Why is that? Because circumcision is a multi-billion dollar business, and the most frequently performed operation in the United States. Without it, the medical system would suffer some serious shocks. Disturbing, yes?

speakin of you two, what he said bout you makes sense. validation and all that.

Yes, I never tire of hearing from armchair psychology from an overweight yankee half-wit.

though maybe you already know that too since yur comeback wasnt too snappy.

Guest27 has trouble listening. We go round and round in circles. I just keep knockin' em out of the park. He has to get a little creative, but my time-tested techniques never fail. Oh well.

Nice talking to you.

yeah bro it strains me to read a guy talk about his dick for pages and pages. i dont mind reading since i usually dont put down a book once i start but to force myself to read the angry rants of a guy who i have this mental picture of as a short, fat nerd with bad acne...pfft, i couldn't be f*cked to care about that S*** man, sorry.

i read the part where you dont have anything to do though, and let me tell you, why are you doing that to yourself? big world, lots to do, and no ones gonna do it for ya. stop playin' with your dick long enough to stop thinkin about it so much and you might feel like goin out to get someone else to play with it.

i saw you called me a bunch of names man, and i gotta say why are you being that way? your dad or mom not give you enough attention or something, S***.

my bro was 22. he never had a problem with the foreskin until a few months before it was removed. he says he feels no difference and that nobody should ever go through that S***, not even your enemy. exact words. i mean, he couldnt get laid or jack off for months!

lol, seriously though, hes an honest guy and wouldnt lie about that, so whatever "armchair pyschology" yur sellin, im not buyin. im not for or against, but im against what yur sayin only bc of how you say it. think about that bro.

and i don't use crackpipes. believe it or not, im an accountant!

[Guest]

just saw that part about english not bein my first language. lol

it is actually, and i do write competently. in fact, ive always done extremely well in all my lit classes. i just dont believe in writing anything besides what i think on boards. people who critique a guys writing when the message comes off without a prob is just lookin for something.

i also feel like it shows a more laid back, casual message, which is me in a nutshell.

[Jolinar]

I'm going to pull this back to the original topic.

I'm against circumcision. I would never circ my son (who is now 2 years old). I did some research when I was pregnant and decided that it would be safer and healthier for him to leave it alone as long as there were no problems with it. If he ever needs or wants to get circ'd when he's older, he can have it done. Along with the medical reasons, I figure it's easier to do it later (with anasthesia) than to undo it.

Oh, and I'm in the USA. It's becoming more common here to not circ. People here are starting to get wise about the risks of circing.

[Truth Teller]

The very title of this thread, "Would you circumcise your son(s)? -- is most irresponsible, dangerous and even illegal.

Whether for or against circumcision, there is no doubt that a parent should never attempt to perform circumcisions on their child.

Only qualified medical doctors should be performing circumcisions.

Unless the parent is a qualified surgeon, in most civilised countries it is illegal and a serious crime for a parent to perform circumcisions on their child.