can a man be a feminist?

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antifeminist
 

Postby antifeminist on Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:28 pm

http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2005/0406.html
An interesting article on the subject... hmm...

antifeminist
 

Postby antifeminist on Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:30 pm

On March 10, an event titled "Patriarchy Slam" was held by the radical Feminist Action League in a room reserved by a second and recognized student group. (The significance of this is that the free room was used in violation of UNH policy.) Posters across the campus advertised the meeting as a public event, with no indication of "Women Only."

Patriarchy Slam expressed radical anti-male feminism. For example, some FAL members wore scissors around their necks as they sang in praise of castration. One member, who identified herself as Mary Man-Hating-Is-Fun, told the gathering, "Ever since I learned to embrace my feminist nature, I found great joy in threatening men's lives...because I see them for what they are: misogynistic, sexist, oppressive and absurdly pathetic beings who only serve to pollute and contaminate this world..."

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Guest
 

Postby Guest on Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:03 pm

Yes, a certain group of feminists. I don't agree with their attitude, i find it repulsive, but i agree with the attitude of the feminists who seek equality for both genders.

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:11 pm

I have never seen any of those...
Can you show me some links maybe?

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:27 pm

. wrote:I have never seen any of those...
Can you show me some links maybe?


I already quoted a few. Didn't you read the thread ?

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:40 pm

Individualist, or Libertarian Feminism

Individualist feminism is based upon individualism or libertarian (minimum government or anarchocapitalist) philosophies. The primary focus is individual autonomy, rights, liberty, independence and diversity. Individualist Feminism tends to widely encompass men and focuses on barriers that men and women face due to their gender.


http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Individualist-Feminism&btnG=Suche&meta=
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Libertarian-Feminism&btnG=Suche&meta=

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:42 pm

There are various forms of feminism. If you are so interested in putting it down, you should atleast know the different school of thoughts and that there are branches that seek equality for both genders. Ignorance is unbecoming.

Good day

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:44 pm

You would be able to find various links, if you weren't so fixated on only the ''man hating'' feminists. That is only one side.

antifeminist
 

Postby antifeminist on Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:48 pm

Individualist feminist and libertarian feminism is equivalent to anti-sexist anti-feminism (as I see it) and from what I have read of it, it's mostly like my own views. If you bothered to notice, the link from which I quoted is from www.ifeminists.com...
I am speaking about real feminism, which is mainstream feminism that is being taught in universities and promoted by organisations like www.now.org, and has a strong influence on media directed towards women, teaching them the so-called "victimhood mentality".
The kind of feminism that is based on the oppressor/victim model.
(Individualist feminism isn't based on the oppressor/victim model, it's actually similar to my own views that I tried to explain here in a limited way.)

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:16 pm

antifeminist wrote:Why is it bad logic?


Simple, your logic is faulty. A good place to start - Introduction to Logic
by Gensler & Gensler "

On the other hand

http://www.debunker.com/texts/noblelie.html
A good essay on femminism
http://www.menweb.org/throop/falsereport/sources/fabian-refute.html
A good rebuke to critics (Ie. read before arguing for or against the first link)

-wcj

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:43 pm

antifeminist wrote:Individualist feminist and libertarian feminism is equivalent to anti-sexist anti-feminism (as I see it) and from what I have read of it, it's mostly like my own views. If you bothered to notice, the link from which I quoted is from www.ifeminists.com...
I am speaking about real feminism, which is mainstream feminism that is being taught in universities and promoted by organisations like www.now.org, and has a strong influence on media directed towards women, teaching them the so-called "victimhood mentality".
The kind of feminism that is based on the oppressor/victim model.
(Individualist feminism isn't based on the oppressor/victim model, it's actually similar to my own views that I tried to explain here in a limited way.)


And i've been saying different branches of feminism exist and others have been saying it doesn't. It's not a basis to have a discussion where facts are denied. I won't take any woman serious who thinks all men are evil and i won't take any man serious who says all feminists are anti men (which isn't true). Female male bashers and male female bashers are equally dumb, imo.

Inequality is a huge topic. I think we are naturally unequal, due to people having different abilities, one is better communicating thoughts, than the other, another is faster than the other, and so forth. I also accept that men are, in general, physically stronger than women etc, natural inequalities, as i call them.

I think it's very easy to find things in two humans that aren't equal, question is, when do i start making a fuss about the inequalities ?
I find many, men and women alike, cry murder over little things, just like brats. I also wonder, if we enjoy the powerplay games, us humans.

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:50 pm

Women in the UK must think of us in the US and Canada as strange birds when we argue about feminism. We're still working out what it even means.

-wcj

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Re: can a man be a feminist?

Postby markie on Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:50 pm

goodguy wrote:As a young boy I often fantisized of being superman and coming to the rescue of my mother who suffered (in mind, body and spirit) and the hands of my father who was nothing short of a tyrant (it's a very long story) but I said that to say this: As a defender of my mother, brother of three sisters, best friend to my wife, father of five daughters, I just have to say that I despise a chauvinist man, I despise a woman beater, control freaks and playboy wannabe's (womanizer) while on the other hand I also despise the spinless, gutless, the selfish, needy, jealous and insecure man. It's my opinion that a lot of men (if not most) have no business being in a relationship with a woman. I will teach my daughters to strive for higher education, self reliance and being independant (in need of no man), to have self respect (to love who and what they are). I will teach them that men are just accessories to be discarded if they don't match or measure up. I pity the fool who gets in the way. My gosh! am I a feminist?
These are some quotes from some of they're leaders,
"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig."

"Only when manhood is dead - and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it - only then will we know freedom.
Do you still want to be a feminist?

Guest
 

Re: can a man be a feminist?

Postby Guest on Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:18 pm

markie wrote:
goodguy wrote:As a young boy I often fantisized of being superman and coming to the rescue of my mother who suffered (in mind, body and spirit) and the hands of my father who was nothing short of a tyrant (it's a very long story) but I said that to say this: As a defender of my mother, brother of three sisters, best friend to my wife, father of five daughters, I just have to say that I despise a chauvinist man, I despise a woman beater, control freaks and playboy wannabe's (womanizer) while on the other hand I also despise the spinless, gutless, the selfish, needy, jealous and insecure man. It's my opinion that a lot of men (if not most) have no business being in a relationship with a woman. I will teach my daughters to strive for higher education, self reliance and being independant (in need of no man), to have self respect (to love who and what they are). I will teach them that men are just accessories to be discarded if they don't match or measure up. I pity the fool who gets in the way. My gosh! am I a feminist?
These are some quotes from some of they're leaders,
"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig."

"Only when manhood is dead - and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it - only then will we know freedom.
Do you still want to be a feminist?


Read through the thread. There are feminists who hate men and feminists who love men.

Education is good.

Guest
 

Postby Guest on Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:39 pm

. wrote:I actually don't agree with Goodguy.


Liar. You outted yourself and didn't respond to my message. You defended "him" and attacked me.

. wrote:I don't particularly ''love'' men or women,


That's right. You can't love. You don't even like yourself. You can only hate and be abusive to others. Feminists like yourself hate men more than you even love women.

. wrote:I don't have an issue with gender.
That's hiLARIOUS!! :mrgreen:

. wrote:Wrong. If someone says, for example, Hitler was German, i'd correct them and say Hitler was Austrian, just like i know that there are different feminist groups,


WRONG! You just become abusive towards non-femininsts, deny that your a feminist, then defend feminism. It's always the same old sh*t with you.

. wrote:
. wrote:Actually, "skinhead" originally meant simply a person with a shaved head or very short hair. Talk about "unknowledgable". You know exactly which skinheads I was talking about, and what it generally means today.


I explained to you what it means through simple facts you can find on ''skinhead'' and the skinhead history on the net. Learn the facts or shut up.


Great advice for YOURSELF. Do what your compatriot Andrea Dworkin finally did and shut up! Look at a dictionary for the most generic meaning of Skinhead. You might actually learn something. You are akin to the current racist meaning of skinhead. You're a Feminist Skinhead. It's also interesting that you chose to bring up Hitler in this discussion. Both of you have similar tactics...and hatred.

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. wrote:This is another brilliant example of your feminist intellect, fairness and "love" of men.


No, i don't care, if you are male of female, you're an idiot either way.


Keep telling more about YOURSELF. Next time, use one of your registered usernames, or even the one with the privs. :o

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