The De-Valuing of women by women.

[elliott20]

Drinker, do you honestly care if a woman dresses modestly or not? Again, rape notwithstanding.

If I were Elliot... No.
But I am a NORMAL man, contrary to what others may think.
I am attracted to visual cues.

And you know this better than anyone here BAG! (referencing your avatar)
You could go up to any man with a low cut blouse and pick out the gay men from the straight ones in an instant!

you ignored the question already.

[Drinker]

and allow me to repeat myself:

STILL trying to justify rape, huh?

And you clearly forgot the "amoral" descriptor in that post. But I kind of expected as much.

Teaching women that there are NO prudent measures to be taken what so ever in protecting themselves is by far the most irresponsible thing a man can do.
That would be immoral to mislead young women in favor of politically correct agendas that help women only after the fact!

there are prudent measures. It's just that, there are ones that are more effective that you ignore.

telling woman the WRONG prudent measures to take and ignoring the more viable options makes them more vulnerable and is even MORE irresponsible than that.

The ones that are black and white on the subject are the women here that place motivatione SOLELY on power motivations.

That's not the injustice you are REALLY accusing me of.
For I think education for both sex's is necessary to help bring down the instance of rape.

The power women don't want that PERIOD.
For they cannot live with the implications that go contrary to what the counsellors have told them.
It means they were lied too!

[Drinker]

Drinker, do you honestly care if a woman dresses modestly or not? Again, rape notwithstanding.

If I were Elliot... No.
But I am a NORMAL man, contrary to what others may think.
I am attracted to visual cues.

And you know this better than anyone here BAG! (referencing your avatar)
You could go up to any man with a low cut blouse and pick out the gay men from the straight ones in an instant!

you ignored the question already.

I ignored it because you and BAG are women!
You want the world to work the way you FEEL it should work.
Not the reality of how it actually does!

[elliott20]

okay, you want to attribute rape to provocative clothes, let's run with that. A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. Congrats, you've taken care of 4.4% of that.

okay, so what about women who WEREN'T dress povacatively and got raped? i.e. the other 95.6% of them? what do you have to say about that?

[Drinker]

Drinker, do you honestly care if a woman dresses modestly or not? Again, rape notwithstanding.

If I were Elliot... No.
But I am a NORMAL man, contrary to what others may think.
I am attracted to visual cues.

And you know this better than anyone here BAG! (referencing your avatar)
You could go up to any man with a low cut blouse and pick out the gay men from the straight ones in an instant!

you ignored the question already.

I ignored it because you and BAG are women!
You want the world to work the way you FEEL it should work.
Not the reality of how it actually does!

You want to be sexy but you don't want that prowess to be your downfall.

And that's how I get into so much trouble here.
I tell you you can't have it both way's!

[elliott20]

Drinker, do you honestly care if a woman dresses modestly or not? Again, rape notwithstanding.

If I were Elliot... No.
But I am a NORMAL man, contrary to what others may think.
I am attracted to visual cues.

And you know this better than anyone here BAG! (referencing your avatar)
You could go up to any man with a low cut blouse and pick out the gay men from the straight ones in an instant!

you ignored the question already.

I ignored it because you and BAG are women!
You want the world to work the way you FEEL it should work.
Not the reality of how it actually does!

That or maybe you realized that you can't answer the question without hurting your position. It's okay. It's not your fault that you're a retarded moron who can't tell the difference between men and women. That's really your parents fault.

[Drinker]

okay, you want to attribute rape to provocative clothes, let's run with that. A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. Congrats, you've taken care of 4.4% of that.

okay, so what about women who WEREN'T dress povacatively and got raped? i.e. the other 95.6% of them? what do you have to say about that?

I say an eduactaion for both men and women as to what drives men and what women can do (prudence/self respect) would lower that number even more!

[elliott20]

okay, you want to attribute rape to provocative clothes, let's run with that. A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. Congrats, you've taken care of 4.4% of that.

okay, so what about women who WEREN'T dress povacatively and got raped? i.e. the other 95.6% of them? what do you have to say about that?

I say an eduactaion for both men and women as to what drives men and what women can do (prudence/self respect) would lower that number even more!

so you're saying there are NOTHING more a woman can do to protect herself? None what so ever? It all now rests on the men shoulders if women were to cover up?

man, now THAT is naive.

[Drinker]

okay, you want to attribute rape to provocative clothes, let's run with that. A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. Congrats, you've taken care of 4.4% of that.

okay, so what about women who WEREN'T dress povacatively and got raped? i.e. the other 95.6% of them? what do you have to say about that?

Ok, smart boy....
Do the math

Rapes each day in the USA = X
4.4% of X = Y


then I can say
Y = the number of women Elliot could care less about!

[elliott20]

okay, you want to attribute rape to provocative clothes, let's run with that. A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. Congrats, you've taken care of 4.4% of that.

okay, so what about women who WEREN'T dress povacatively and got raped? i.e. the other 95.6% of them? what do you have to say about that?

Ok, smart boy....
Do the math

Rapes each day in the USA = X
4.4% of X = Y


then I can say
Y = the number of women Elliot could care less about!

hey, by your argument you seem to not care about 96% of them, Kettle.

[Drinker]

okay, you want to attribute rape to provocative clothes, let's run with that. A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. Congrats, you've taken care of 4.4% of that.

okay, so what about women who WEREN'T dress povacatively and got raped? i.e. the other 95.6% of them? what do you have to say about that?

Ok, smart boy....
Do the math

Rapes each day in the USA = X
4.4% of X = Y


then I can say
Y = the number of women Elliot could care less about!

hey, by your argument you seem to not care about 96% of them, Kettle.

No... I am saying that the 96% are more than likely the POWER based rapes that you cannot protect yourself against.
What seperates you and I is that you do not care about the 4.4%!

[elliott20]

okay, you want to attribute rape to provocative clothes, let's run with that. A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. Congrats, you've taken care of 4.4% of that.

okay, so what about women who WEREN'T dress povacatively and got raped? i.e. the other 95.6% of them? what do you have to say about that?

Ok, smart boy....
Do the math

Rapes each day in the USA = X
4.4% of X = Y


then I can say
Y = the number of women Elliot could care less about!

hey, by your argument you seem to not care about 96% of them, Kettle.

No... I am saying that the 96% are more than likely the POWER based rapes that you cannot protect yourself against.
What seperates you and I is that you do not care about the 4.4%!

Hehe, I give you an inch of silk and you try to construct an entire suit out of it. It's so funny to watch.

Maybe I do care about them, but I just enjoy watching you leap upon any tiny morsel of information I give you. Quite frankly, I just think you're being plain inefficient in your "crusade" to rid the world of rape.

But meh, whatever. Not like you're actually going to do anything about it other than stand there and scream at women for wearing tank tops.

[Blond Adult Girl]

Drinker, do you honestly care if a woman dresses modestly or not? Again, rape notwithstanding.

If I were Elliot... No.
But I am a NORMAL man, contrary to what others may think.
I am attracted to visual cues.

And you know this better than anyone here BAG! (referencing your avatar)
You could go up to any man with a low cut blouse and pick out the gay men from the straight ones in an instant!

you ignored the question already.

I ignored it because you and BAG are women!
You want the world to work the way you FEEL it should work.
Not the reality of how it actually does!

Correct me if I'm wrong Drinker, but I don't think you care if we dress modestly or not.

However, add rape to the equation, and you DO care.

Am I right?

[Drinker]

Let's do the math the smart boy was not man enough to do....

Ok, smart boy....
Do the math

Rapes each day in the USA = 1871
4.4% of 1871 = 82


then I can say
82 = the number of women Elliot could care less about!

[elliott20]

Let's do the math the smart boy was not man enough to do....

Ok, smart boy....
Do the math

Rapes each day in the USA = 1871
4.4% of 1871 = 82


then I can say
82 = the number of women Elliot could care less about!

right. and now let's talk about the other 1789 that you've painstakingly ignored. good job on that.