myron myron wrote:Conjecture, speculation, suspicion, rumor and gossip are not a "come-back" to evidence.
I am relying on facts based on an unambiguous public admission of guilt that was never disavowed and that is consistent with and confirmed by mountains of evidence.
Unless and until you can – at the very least – provide evidence that bin Laden has disavowed his unambiguous public admission of guilt, any "come-back" you post will only be adding to the pile of bullshit you have posted thus far.
Let's see irrefutable proof that the person in these series of videos is Bin Laden - cos just looking like him and sounding like him is not proof. What methods did they use to establish the continuity of this persona across videos released?
You would think that if the evidence was so mountainous and tight, that the FBI might have included 9/11 on their most wanted description of him - but they don't because they lack hard evidence - and that is even with this video you are referring to - so does that mean the FBI don't see it as hard evidence? If so, why do you?
Anyway, that is by the by - there is hard evidence against him for many other acts - particularly back in 1998 - and there would be good reason to believe, given that background that he was involved in 9/11. My major point is whether it has been the same person in videos across time and how well the Osama character has ended up working out for Bush.
Now it could all just be a freak coincidence that what Osama does aids Bush's plans, but if it is not a coincidence then I would question what the possibility was of a. Osama and Bush somehow having common goals and some kind of understanding, b. they found the Osama character effective for galvanising people so started to 'manipulate' things, with fake Osamas.
Just found this too - outlines the series of videos:
Bin Laden initially denied, but later admitted involvement in the incidents.[81] On September 16, 2001, bin Laden denied any involvement with the attacks by reading a statement which was broadcast by Qatar's Al Jazeera satellite channel: "I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation."[82] This denial was broadcast on U.S. news networks and worldwide.
Ok - so that was the initial denial.
In November 2001, U.S. forces recovered a videotape from a destroyed house in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, in which Osama bin Laden is talking to Khaled al-Harbi. In the tape, bin Laden admits foreknowledge of the attacks.[83] The tape was broadcast on various news networks from December 13, 2001.
This was an unscathed video tape found BY American troops in a destroyed house 
On December 27, 2001, a second bin Laden video was released. In the video, he stated "Terrorism against America deserves to be praised because it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to stop its support for Israel, which kills our people," but
he stopped short of admitting responsibility for the attacks.
So - third video, but no admission.
Shortly before the U.S. presidential election in 2004, in a taped statement, bin Laden publicly acknowledged al-Qaeda's involvement in the attacks on the U.S, and admitted his direct link to the attacks. He said that the attacks were carried out because, "We are a free people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."
Yeah, shortly before the presidential election - how TIMELY to admit responsibility directly to the public for the first time - 3 years after the initial events of 9/11.
Also, in a videotape aired on Al Jazeera, on October 30, 2004, bin Laden said he had personally directed the 19 hijackers. Another video obtained by Al Jazeera in September 2006 shows Osama bin Laden with Ramzi Binalshibh, as well as two hijackers, Hamza al-Ghamdi and Wail al-Shehri, as they make preparations for the attacks.
More on the hijackers:
Within hours of the attacks, the FBI was able to determine the names and in many cases details such as dates of birth, known and/or possible residences, visa status, and specific identity of the suspected pilots and hijackers. Few had made any attempt to disguise their names on flight and credit card records, and they were some of the few people of Arabic descent on the flights. Mohamed Atta's luggage, which did not make the connection from his Portland flight onto American Airlines Flight 11, contained papers that revealed the identity of all 19 hijackers, and other important clues about their plans, motives, and backgrounds'.
How fortuitous about the luggage and its contents being so readily available to sew it all up nice and tidy for us.
However, a few problems here - Wail al-Shehri is still alive. In addition to a number of others that were named: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
As the FBI said - In September 2002, [FBI Director Robert Mueller] told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers."
So that brings me to the point Myron – how does this fit with your statement ‘We know the names of the 19 men who hijacked those airplanes. We know the details of how, where and when they planned, prepared and trained. And we know that all 19 are dead.’ Or is there a link you can provide me with that clears this up? Or will you change your tune on this as quickly as you did about the pre-established plans for Afghanistan and give me some kind of a variation on ‘that is perfectly understandable?’
) but bin laden will still be around , maybe walking around some cave chanting '" Thank you little georgey , thank you little georgey " .......................... 
