Political Question: Brits opinions of Americans

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Political Question: Brits opinions of Americans

Postby WK on Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:35 am

I want to break the tempo if I can o fhte Just for Men forum and include some political talk for the moment. (Really the whole penis/breast discussions are too damn juvenile as of late).

I had opportunity to study in Cambridge and travels throughout the UK. I love the people and land--but really disliked the food (too bland for my taste)!

Most seemed very agreeable to Americans and if anything I found alot of the UK girls taking to an American bloke like me, which is fine by me as I was a sucker for that delightful English accent.

But I've not been in England now for several years, and given all that has happened, sadly, I am wondering what the average English man and woman's view of Americans are?

In particular do you make the distinction between the current government and Americans? I know a few pigheaded French and Germans over here who so naively cannot separate current administration policy from the common American sentiment.

In many ways, I think Tony Blair though is much more ballsy with his current move to deport those preaching hate. Here in the US a bunch of morons can slap a swastika on there ass and drape a hood over their head and burn a cross and say kill all the blacks and jews, and it is a constituionally protected right. Even the largely jewish-run ACLU will come and defend their "right."

That disgusting Egyptian "blind cleric" who finally was arrested for his involvement with the first bombing of the world trade center back in 1993, actually was preaching hatred for years at a nearby mosques in New Jersey. The mosque was notorious for this and was never closed (freedom of relgion and speech, you see).

Some of the terrorits of 9/11 had actually attendced the mosque before flying off to Allah's eternal land of vrigin brides. The mosque still exists. Insane!

I think your PM has it quite right. This is not an instance of free speech and should rightfully have a end put to it. This mosque should be closed and everyone in it put on a close government watch list and those that preached hate deported back to the mole hill they crawled out of before coming to places such as the US and UK where the freedoms we offer have been so horrifically abused by them.

So, what is your view on Americans and in particular our concept of this sort of "tolerance" of allowing such mosques and hateful speeches to continue?

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Postby you have male on Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:14 pm

It's starting to look like we (British) don't give a shĂ­t about what you think what we think about what you think. I think! :lol:

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Postby The-Prophet on Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:29 pm

hmm i see them as sheep ready for the slaughter, in a purely business sense of course.

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Postby thinker on Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:34 pm

For reasoned debate join up and post in members section. The guests section is polluted with acned youths.
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Postby tamachant on Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:28 am

I am not british, however I do think that America (cans) have to much Freedom, Of coarse I can only speak from TV, news and what people say. The sueing that seems to go on in America can be really excessive and stupid.

The only other thing, and this is not intended to offend, but when watching the amazing race I notice many of the contestant where very rude and obnoctious especially when in foreign countries and couldnt speak the local language. Now I dont mean all americans, but allot who I have met seem to come across as thinking they are superior to people from other countries.

Otherwsie I have met nice americans and spoken to many nice ones on this site.
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Postby pheromoaner on Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:07 am

Well I managed to resist this carrot of a question for a couple of days. quite a dangerous thing to ask. but it keeps coming back to haunt me. and well, ive got a bit of time to kill so it may make me clarify some very mixed opinions.

so what do I think of americans.
well... firstly I must point out that I am only talking about the U.S.
Canadians, mexicans and all those down south often get lumped in to this subject but they are of course different from U.S. citizens.

now in the rest of the world we tend to come across the U.S. in 5 ways so to give a clear idea of what i think I must seperate them out as my opinions differ wildly.

1 the individual citizens in the U.S
In my visits to the U.S. the people that I have met have been absolutely delightful, almost without exception. you could put this down to only meeting people that are within a particular mileu. but on a recent trip to L.A. I met with people as diverse as the management of the Ghetty centre, cal arts, ex-convict hispanic muralists, and some projects in Watts, oh and O. J. Simpson too. hehe
they were all great, full of compassion and focus (perhaps with the exception of OJ) the shocking thing to me however was how little they understood of the people from the other group/status/class (call it what you want). I really did sense some big divisions that all seemed to revolve around income or lack of it.
Another striking thing that is almost too obvious to mention, is the astoundingly limited world view that one often encounters.

2 U.S. citizens abroad
pretty much like individuals anywhere americans are usually alright when you meet them one to one. possibly with the exception of those that can be found in paris - often they are working out some weird literary dream and seem to think that they are obliged to behave 'the american author in europe' similar to a strange cross fertilisation of truman capote, henry miller and jackson pollock.

Now when things can get bad is when the encounter is with groups.
to be in the trail of a U.S. tourist group is a bit like being raped, or rather like being a party to rape. if youve ever seen a cruise ship disembark in a small italian port you will understand what i mean. but then that is probably true of any nations wealthy letting their hair down.

An encounter with U.S troops abroad is far, far worse. but is often a very good way to bond with the locals once you can convince them that you aren't american and that you are as shocked as they are - this has happened to me twice, once in germany and once on crete.


3 corporate U.S.A. abroad.
the impact of corporate america on the rest of the world cannot be overstated. in the U.S. it is ok, even positively encouraged to exploit an opportunity. unfortunately the US corporate ethos sees the world as an opportunity and cant imagine why anyone would mind being exploited. this is a misconception almost as big as the widely held belief that, given half a chance, everyone would like to be american.
the corporations seem to forget that everyone went to the new world in the first place, to escape exploitation.
corporate america is largely responsible for the hostility that most people feel towards the U.S.A. It seems to be incapable of taking national differences into account, the very thing that gives all nationalities a sense of identity and self worth. a lot of people resent the imposition of an ill fitting culture.

4 the U.S. state machine abroad
well in this area the U.S is much like any other country, it does its business to get the best deal for itself.
however some countries are sophisticated enough to realise that politics isnt just business. it can also involve statesmanship, a sort of etiquette for negotiation, on all levels.
Increasingly it seems that the U.S has given up on statesmanship (as has the uk) and now prefers financial threat and force. it usually gets its way, but with each encounter it appears less honourable, this way america loses respect in the eyes of the world.
Alongside this lack of statesmanship goes a peculiar deafness to the opinions of other countries, almost as though the democratic mandate form within its borders sets its agenda for the treatment of citizens outside of its borders.
In the rest of the world there is actually a concerted effort gain a concensus to tackle, human rights, trade issues, ecological imperatives and even conflict resolution. but the U.S. state machine seems to think that it needn't join in. I am continually suprised how often I hear the UN denegrated in the states, whereas it is generaly well regarded in europe, perhaps as our final hope. I suspect some heavy anti-propaganda.

5 the U.S.A as a visitor
Once you have got through customs and been made to feel that you are probably guilty. of what? it doesnt seem to matter but perhaps it is suspected that you will want to stay, or set up a comunist terror cell in your shoe, maybe.
It is a quite pretty place (in places). no only joking. To me the usa is the most foreign place that i have ever visited.
perhaps this has something to do with the common language and the unquestioned belief that the US & the UK are similar. they really are not. you really do things differently there.
this makes me very proud to be european - which is strange because I have always had a dislike for nationalistic fervour. I definately feel more like i understand the ground rules in spain, germany, france or italy, even mexico than i do in the U.S.

for brits and perhaps most other countries what seldom gets pointed out to you as an outsider, is how each state could as well be a seperate country, with different mannerisms, countryside, weather.
What this serves to highlight is just how similar the prevailing culture has made everything seem. downtown dallas has essentially the same facilities as downtown chicago and in between the human landscape is pretty much the same.
A visitor really has to search out the differences and one gets the feeling they are quickly disappearing. An ominous vision of what the federal system could do for the diversity of the states in europe.
I also find it a very lonely place, outside of the major cities there seems to be no natural way (that you dont have to pay for) to be amongst large groups of people, other than shopping or church.

but back to the question what do i think of the USA.
I love it and hate it.
On the whole the people are no better or worse than anywhere else.
I am puzzled by some of the strange morality that seems to be quite prevalent, especially the strange fascination with violence that contrasts with an disapproval of the sexual (surely it should be the other way round).
I admire its legacy of egality and basic human rights. true it is mostly historical, a fantastic experiment in creating a nation that really shone out for a long time. until, it seems, the collective identity got big headed and started to do the things that it started off opposed to.

I am glad that i do not live there, but quite enjoy to visit every now and then, because its people give me hope that the view that we get from outside isnt the true america.

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Postby xxintergirlxxy on Thu May 04, 2006 2:54 am

US what can I say but THANKS UNCLE SAM!


You see if Hitler had won the war, he planned to use Britain as the base for his master race.

To do that, he would have had to de-populate Britain. That was already in hand. They planned to build 27 supa gas chambers for the defeated British who were not fit enough to go to Europe and work as slaves.

Had our parents been liquidated, we would not have existed., None of the present or past generation would not have existed.

What can I say about America?

For all her faults, it is her doing that I exist. I owe her everything

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Postby dumbfook on Sat May 13, 2006 12:18 pm

Land of the free? MY AR.SE everything American winds me up, American express Ive had trouble with, Paypal have p!ssed me off. When I worked at a military base (us) I was shocked at how uptight some yanks are. You hve to give 6 star service or they complain, I worked in a 4 star hotel I dreaded the Americans comming in. There was 1 lady who didnt know how to play pool with red and yellow balls, she asked - and I quote 'Which ones odd and which ones even?'

Sorry but too many yanks wind me up, and the US army is a joke with the 'shoot anything that moves' policy

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Postby Now_Registered on Mon May 15, 2006 11:11 pm

Come to Detroit Dumbfook, I'll show you a good example of the best and worst of America. I can show you how many Americans are being forced to live thanks to the corporate way of doing business....so many are relegated to sub-standard housing, and then time and again, Detroiters pony up a lot of money to help others in disaster. This place can be the best and worst place in the world. Of course, I would like to see more of the world to quantify that last statement, and have every intention of doing so...first stop I have planned is the UK, then Australia..I would like to get to Japan before I die, but we'll see what happens on that one!

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Postby mogadishu on Wed May 17, 2006 4:37 pm

stephen sondheim wrote a song about a man from michigan called 'czolgos'. or somethin.

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Postby London on Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:36 pm

I am a Brit and have been back in the UK for eight months now having lived in America for five years. After the recent terrorist attack in London, an American turned to me and said 'now you know what it feels like.' I subquently quit my job and came home. On the whole I found American people to be rather nice but then there are those insufferable fools who think the world begins and ends in the continental US of A. Blah!

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Postby notastitchonme on Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:43 pm

I've met some really nice Americans... My best mate married one... They tend to be those that have travelled and seen other cultures and have a bit of an education so my opinion might be skewed...

They do get portrayed badly and I'm sure some do deserve it, but like anywhere, there are good and bad... Just ignore the gun toting tw*ts...

The UK also has a dearth of w*nkers...


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