WOMEN ONLY! --- What are your thoughts of circumcisi

[H. Franklin Layne]

I have kept out of this thread for the most part. The only thing I would really like to add, is that under most circumstances, you actually get to know the man somewhat BEFORE discovering if he is cut or uncut. So I think the man is more important than the presence or absence of a foreskin.

[Khalin]

This is late, but I felt I had to respond to this.

Sorry Matty, I understand you liked your foreskin and washed it (and good for you) but your foreskin is still dirty even if washed and still leaves you open to disease. I’m sorry but your foreskin was in fact a piece of filth and the only place for it was in the bin. That is why so many get circumcised and I believe the reason your dad wanted you to be circumcised. As Emily B said, you will have a much healthier and happier life without your foreskin.

I don't think you know very much about foreskin at all, besides what happens when you neglect simple hygiene. Yes, it can cause serious problems if you aren't a very clean or hygienic person. However, I would like to welcome you to the 21st century, where we have developed things called "showers" and "sinks". Foreskin is not dirty when you wash it [that is why we call it "washing"], and does not open you to disease when you are clean. My penis has no odd smell, nor is there anything wrong with it whatsoever. I have never caught any STD, and I never will because of how clean I am, as well as how responsible I am as far as choosing my partners and how seriously I take sex. My penis is extremely smooth, clean, healthy-looking, and nearly everyone that has laid eyes on it has loved touching, licking, sucking, playing with it, and having it inserted inside them. I actually don't recall anyone that I've encountered that didn't like the foreskin on my penis. I'm in fact very appalled and outraged at how little regard you and Emily B seem to have for his feelings as far as his own body is concerned, and the fact that he was [in a sense] violated and mutilated. I for one am glad that my penis has the heightened level of sensitivity that it does [over circumcised males, who have approximately between 55%-65% of the nerve endings on the Glans die due to being circumcised], as well as how fun it is for me or someone else to play with [all of my partners have had a lot of fun with my foreskin during sex]. I'm also glad that the Glans on my penis will not be hardening as I get older [sometimes to the degree of a crusty shell], as it would for a man who was circumcised. It will always be healthy, clean, nice-smelling, and wonderful, just as it always has been for me, no matter how much you and Emily B try and tell me it won't be [as if you two are experts on hygiene as a man like you pretend to be]. The fact that you can talk about a man's body in this way just shows how you and females like Emily B have no regard or respect for men at all, and selfishly use your own personal and shallow preferences as an excuse to try and make a man feel bad for his own intact body [whether or not it's clean].

You know nothing about what a responsible, hygienic, and clean intact man is like, which I find sad. But what's more sad is how close-minded you and Emily B are to the thought of men such as myself being able to take care of themselves properly. It almost comes across as a message saying that being circumcised gives males an excuse to not take care of themselves or take their hygiene seriously, or have to be as careful with sex [this is a VERY bad message]. I'll be upfront and say that I do not like either of you at all. I think you're both selfish, convoluted, disrespectful, pathetic, and out-dated women stuck in the mindset of ancient America. Welcome to 2008.

Please bear in mind, this child has been given anaesthetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MLtxCwdMv0

Holy F***, this is just wrong and unethical. I now hate circumcision twice as much as I did before [if that's even possible]. People are sick.

[Emily B]

But what's more sad is how close-minded you and Emily B are to the thought of men such as myself being able to take care of themselves properly. It almost comes across as a message saying that being circumcised gives males an excuse to not take care of themselves or take their hygiene seriously, or have to be as careful with sex [this is a VERY bad message].

I know that you think this thread is all about you (and your handsome 3/4 profile picture), but it's not. And we're all pleased that you spend so much time cleaning your knob. We encourage you to scrub the dear little thing to bits every evening before bed. It sounds like you're getting ready to show it to us, but we don't really need to see it, please. And, above all, we don't hate you for being the way you are. But this thread is about women's preferences, not about your lovely knob!

[Khalin]

I know that you think this thread is all about you (and your handsome 3/4 profile picture), but it's not. And we're all pleased that you spend so much time cleaning your knob.

Thankyou for your compliment, but it isn't going to soften my position on this at all. This is not about me at all. I'm using myself as an example to prove my point, being that I'm living proof. I don't think how attractive I am has any influence on my hygiene or personal experience.

The point of this is to show how cleaning your penis beats having to have it circumcised just so you can use it as a poor excuse to not practice good hygiene and have reckless, promiscuous sex thinking that you won't have to suffer the consequences of it. I'm also concerned that you think spending about 10 seconds in the sink every morning and taking a shower every day is considered "so much time".

It sounds like you're getting ready to show it to us, but we don't really need to see it, please.

Aside from the fact that this has very little to do with the discussion at hand, I think you completely missed the concept of my entire statement. Based on the thorough description I gave, there really isn't any need for me to show people in this thread, especially when the environment is not appropriate for it. This isn't junior high school, Emily B.

And, above all, we don't hate you for being the way you are. But this thread is about women's preferences, not about your lovely knob!

And it appears that several women have already stated their preferences it seems, so I don't see the problem with some male input [there has to be some, because a lot of these issues are important and it seems most of the females don't know enough about this subject to even think about or consider some of the things that the males know to explain or broach. After all, it's our body part, not yours].

Yes, my "knob" is quite lovely. Again, many thanks for your compliments. However, this means nothing to me and is still beyond the point. And I don't think you're in the position to be speaking as if you wouldn't hate a man for being intact, considering the manner in which you talk about foreskin.

[Nicole*]

khalin hun, dont waste your time with people like emily b or katherine, they're both self centered and sick. as a mother, im disgusted by the way emily and kathrine talked to mr mattyr, telling him that part of his body which he wanted was just a "piece of filth".

emily b and katherine do not speak for the rest of us women.

as for myself, i used to think i hated uncut cocks until i dated a couple guys that were uncut. i have to say that they had very sexy dicks! one of them is also currently my husband, and we both agree that we wont be having our children cut. we have both been married for 9 years.

it is also true that men lose a lot of sensitivity in their dick, though i didnt know they lost 65% of their nerves. thats a lot! and it is true that the head does harden with age which to me is gross. another thing bad about circumcised ones is that the head kinda wrinkles as it gets older. its not the prettiest sight in the world for sure.

my advice to you is that you dont listen to anything people like emily b or katherine say. anyone that says "it still dirty even if you wash it" is very stupid and deluded. my husband is very clean with himself and i just love his dick so much, there is nothing dirty about it. just my 2 cents.

[Guest]

Anyways, dont try to talk any sense to miss emily b whatsoever. everyone on these forums know that shes a selfish old fart from the 10s that cant be reasoned with.

LOL "the 10s"

ROFL

anyways, who cares about cut or uncut im cut so w/e but most the girls on this topic say they prefer uncut

and damn, khalin is beast

[Khalin]

Alright, thankyou for the support ladies. I would actually like to thank everyone that has supported me in the past few pages of this topic. Your support is very much appreciated. However, I don't want this to turn into a contest or a flame war against Emily B and Katherine. Let's not let this topic get out of control.

I only decided to post because of my passion on this subject, as well as providing some insight and enlightenment on a few aspects of this subject that most women here haven't discussed, or thought about.

Aside from all of that, I am actually very glad to see that so many more women here are open to and prefer uncircumcised penises than I thought there would be. Let's keep the opinions coming.

[jenny wen]

it is also true that men lose a lot of sensitivity in their dick, though i didnt know they lost 65% of their nerves. thats a lot! and it is true that the head does harden with age which to me is gross. another thing bad about circumcised ones is that the head kinda wrinkles as it gets older. its not the prettiest sight in the world for sure.

wow i didnt know any of this was true, it sounds gross! i just went to look it up _ to see if any of these were true, and it appears you and khalin are right. didnt know that happened to a circumsized penis, it certainly doesnt sound like a pretty sight at all. thanks for shedding some light on this! i guess circumzised cocks aren't so good afterall.

[The Colonel]

it is also true that men lose a lot of sensitivity in their dick, though i didnt know they lost 65% of their nerves. thats a lot! and it is true that the head does harden with age which to me is gross. another thing bad about circumcised ones is that the head kinda wrinkles as it gets older. its not the prettiest sight in the world for sure.

wow i didnt know any of this was true, it sounds gross! i just went to look it up _ to see if any of these were true, and it appears you and khalin are right. didnt know that happened to a circumsized penis, it certainly doesnt sound like a pretty sight at all. thanks for shedding some light on this! i guess circumzised cocks aren't so good afterall.

It does depend a lot on the indvidual.

One circumcision differs from another. It is hard to briefly explain how, but the different styles produce very different results all round.

I shall try and briefly explain:

If the circumcision scar is far away from the head (i.e. closer to the middle of the shaft than the head) then this preserves a lot of inner foreskin which is highly sensitive for sex.

If the circumcision scar is close to the head (i.e. around 10mm or less) then the inner foreskin has been removed up to that point and thus, the sensitive tissue has been removed.

If the circumcision is loose (which means when flaccid the skin bunches up over the head) then you may find this keeps the head more moist, protected, and less skin growth may occur (i.e. hardening).

If the circumcision is tight (which means the head is 100% visible flaccid and errect) it can be hardened, however, the look of it is much more pleasing than loose, and often it does not harden if hygiene (i.e. washing and moisture) are kept to that area regularly.

Another area is called the frenulum. This is a small membrane that keeps the foreskin over the head when flaccid and pulled back when errect - this is located on the underside of the head). This becomes functionally useless after circumcision and is often removed. Results here vary - sometimes it can be senisitive with it retained, and others find the area where the frenulum was removed from becomes very sensitive after.

Depending on how invasive the circumcision was on the area, can also produce a difference. For example the Jewish shield method and Mogen clamps are the less invasive. Other methods such as the Gomco clamp method and the Plastibell are more invasive, and thus cause more trauma - and therefore healing in different areas, at different rates and so on.

The skill of the surgeon, how you look after yourself generally, and individual differences (including any psycho-sexual problems relating to it, such as the feeling of the loss of the foreskin) also impact upon sex.

This is just some brief examples about how the style effects the results you experience.

[Khalin]

I very much appreciate the fact that you presented this information. I also didn't know how circumcision could vary so much. I think the hardening aspect of being circumcised is probably the scariest sounding for me. Losing sensitivity is the most disappointing, however. Why do styles vary? Don't doctors have a very specific procedure to follow?

[Guest]

Is the gentleman referring to <a href='www.circlist.com/instrstechs/selfcirc.html'>men doing their own circumcisons</a>?

[The Colonel]

I very much appreciate the fact that you presented this information. I also didn't know how circumcision could vary so much. I think the hardening aspect of being circumcised is probably the scariest sounding for me. Losing sensitivity is the most disappointing, however. Why do styles vary? Don't doctors have a very specific procedure to follow?

There are many different methods that are followed.

These are just three examples:

http://www.infocirc.org/methods2.htm

These are among the most common, but there are at least 10, if not 20 more methods.

They all produce different results.

So, there is no standard proceedure that is followed - except with the aim of removing the foreskin.

However, sometimes a patient can request what he wants (e.g. my son who had to be for medical reasons, said what he wanted).

I hope this answers the question.

[Khalin]

There are many different methods that are followed.

These are just three examples:

http://www.infocirc.org/methods2.htm

These are among the most common, but there are at least 10, if not 20 more methods.

They all produce different results.

So, there is no standard proceedure that is followed - except with the aim of removing the foreskin.

However, sometimes a patient can request what he wants (e.g. my son who had to be for medical reasons, said what he wanted).

I hope this answers the question.

Those pictures are difficult to look at, but thankyou for posting this. So am I to understand that the parents generally don't get a say in the type of circumcision their son will get? It sounds like the baby is just getting a random hand of cards thrust upon him.

[The Colonel]

There are many different methods that are followed.

These are just three examples:

http://www.infocirc.org/methods2.htm

These are among the most common, but there are at least 10, if not 20 more methods.

They all produce different results.

So, there is no standard proceedure that is followed - except with the aim of removing the foreskin.

However, sometimes a patient can request what he wants (e.g. my son who had to be for medical reasons, said what he wanted).

I hope this answers the question.

Those pictures are difficult to look at, but thankyou for posting this. So am I to understand that the parents generally don't get a say in the type of circumcision their son will get? It sounds like the baby is just getting a random hand of cards thrust upon him.

Depends.

In the US, most baby boys are done automatically, usually with a Gomco clamp or Plastibell. There is usually no choice.

In the UK there is a choice, especially for older children/adults.

[MattyRosenthal]

Sorry Matty, I still do not believe your story. Any time a "true story" confirms a point or counterpoint perfectly, I am skeptical. The counterpoint being "forced" circumcision.

Several other things, a) here in the US a 16 year old CAN refuse such treatment, and any urologist who detects apprehension would not do the procedure for fear of litigation; b) not trying to sound difficult, but there are so many Rosenthals in my area - they are all Jewish.

I was given no option I had no right to refuse if I did I would.

yeah yeah Rosenthal is Jewish my father is of german jewish heritage but I am not jewish. Names dont make you jewish.