Knife Crime in UK - Solution?

[Guest]

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While I would be more than capable of exacting appalling revenge on someone that I knew had hurt or killed a member of my family, state sponsored revenge belongs to the dark ages.

Very noble point of view, but personal, mob rule or vigilante killing definately belongs to the dark ages, even if it is well justified. It has to be done, but with a measure of control acceptable to the majority of the populace.

Let's take the hypothetical situation where someone became the National Lottery executioner for the week, did the deed and later found that the person executed was innocent after all. Could you live with that? I don't think most people could.

There's no escaping that one. If the proper procedures were followed, then personally, I wouldn't have a problem with this even if I had actually carried it out. Its the nature of the beast and our judicial system would need to be more robust to reduce this, but even in the best system, it will happen. How many innocent people are in jail right now? ..Do the juries care when people are set free after years of being wrongly imprisoned by them? Do they f*ck!!!

I would rather face any punishment the state cared to devise than press that button.[/quote]

Well, a man has to know his limitations, and there's nothing wrong with that, but sometime we just have to take a leap of faith..

[Guest]

Murderers should have a trial, one appeal within 3 months, if that fails, then its an immediate death sentence.

In ideal world, the death sentence is the ideal solution, but we dont live in an ideal world ime afraid, so just how many innocent people have executed wrongly?

If a innocent man gets life, and then they find our he was innocent, hes lost some years, but at least he will be able to live the rest of his life out, but a death sentence is finale. Until there is away of finding proof positive, then there should be no death sentence, or at least thats the way i think.

Let me ask you a question, if it were your son or Daughter convicted and sentenced to death, and you believed they were innocent, would you still recommend the death sentence?

[Guest]

Murderers should have a trial, one appeal within 3 months, if that fails, then its an immediate death sentence.

In ideal world, the death sentence is the ideal solution, but we dont live in an ideal world ime afraid, so just how many innocent people have executed wrongly?

If a innocent man gets life, and then they find our he was innocent, hes lost some years, but at least he will be able to live the rest of his life out, but a death sentence is finale. Until there is away of finding proof positive, then there should be no death sentence, or at least thats the way i think.

Let me ask you a question, if it were your son or Daughter convicted and sentenced to death, and you believed they were innocent, would you still recommend the death sentence?

[Guest]

[quote
Let me ask you a question, if it were your son or Daughter convicted and sentenced to death, and you believed they were innocent, would you still recommend the death sentence?[/quote]

If they were guilty, thats what they'd deserve. I couldn't wish this on another persons child and not mine.

Of course I wouldn't want them to die wrongly convicted, and I'd use every second of the appeal time to try and prove their innocence, but when the times up, that's it. One law for all. Its the only way.

[ozi]

Education is the answer in my opinion. Teach them discipline and management. Send them to self-help/confidence boosting classes.

After all they stab people and kill them because the other person offended them somehow and hurt their self-importance. They think the remedy is to lash out and put that person in place to show them how tough and strong they are and how wrong their victim was for doing it. If they had self-confidence they wouldnt feel the need, couple the confidence with discipline and you have restraint. Many employers have such a system in place for their employees (the police force comes to mind), why not put it in schools as well?

[NoLies]

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Let me ask you a question, if it were your son or Daughter convicted and sentenced to death, and you believed they were innocent, would you still recommend the death sentence?

If they were guilty, thats what they'd deserve. I couldn't wish this on another persons child and not mine.

Of course I wouldn't want them to die wrongly convicted, and I'd use every second of the appeal time to try and prove their innocence, but when the times up, that's it. One law for all. Its the only way.

[NoLies]

Education is the answer in my opinion. Teach them discipline and management. Send them to self-help/confidence boosting classes.

After all they stab people and kill them because the other person offended them somehow and hurt their self-importance. They think the remedy is to lash out and put that person in place to show them how tough and strong they are and how wrong their victim was for doing it. If they had self-confidence they wouldn't feel the need, couple the confidence with discipline and you have restraint. Many employers have such a system in place for their employees (the police force comes to mind), why not put it in schools as well?

I don't think you understand the situation, its a case of playing Gangsters, its got nothing to do with lack of confidence, they are copying their sick rap hero's, its cool to be a murderer.

The murderers hero's, are the rap nutters, that talentless bunch of w-nkers that cant sing so they have to talk to music, oh and go out shooting people of course. A bunch of useless talentless tossers, leading a bunch of useless wanna be's.

Give them machine guns and hand grenades, dump them in on uninhabited island some where, and let them blow each other to bits, the worlds a better place with out them

If they kill each other off, thats one thing, but how many innocent decent people have died through the scumbags not being good enough to shoot straight. They are not fit to live among decent people, they have forfeited that right, by carrying knives and even worse, guns.

ANY ONE who use's knives or guns, are not fit to live in a civilized society.

[The Colonel]

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Let me ask you a question, if it were your son or Daughter convicted and sentenced to death, and you believed they were innocent, would you still recommend the death sentence?

If they were guilty, thats what they'd deserve. I couldn't wish this on another persons child and not mine.

Of course I wouldn't want them to die wrongly convicted, and I'd use every second of the appeal time to try and prove their innocence, but when the times up, that's it. One law for all. Its the only way.

If the death penalty was brought back, then it would have to be used where there was certainty, not just a balance of probability.

For example, if there was doubt (even if they were convicted guilty) then the death penalty would not be used. If for example, CCTV clearly saw the person do it - then the death penalty should be used.

However, it would be difficult to bring back.

We would have to repeal the Murder (Abolition of the Death Penalty) Act 1965, and would somehow have to "unsign" the 6th and 13th Protocols of the European Convention on Human Rights.

[ozi]

....its a case of playing Gangsters.... they are copying their sick rap hero's...

Often times it's children, not gangsters. I wasnt aware of any connection been made between rap music and the recent knife attacks.

[NoLies]

We would have to repeal the Murder (Abolition of the Death Penalty) Act 1965, and would somehow have to "unsign" the 6th and 13th Protocols of the European Convention on Human Rights.

I think your wrong Colonel, snidely written in to the Euro treaty in very small print, is the law that says, any one convicted of rioting can suffer the death penalty.

So that tells us that, we don't have to repeal the law, as its already been overwritten BY the Euro agreement, so it would now be easy to bring in the death penalty for anything the Euro Ruling elite think necessary.

[NoLies]

We would have to repeal the Murder (Abolition of the Death Penalty) Act 1965, and would somehow have to "unsign" the 6th and 13th Protocols of the European Convention on Human Rights.

I think your wrong Colonel, snidely written in to the Euro treaty in very small print, is the law that says, any one convicted of rioting can suffer the death penalty.

So that tells us that, we don't have to repeal the law, as its already been overwritten BY the Euro agreement, so it would now be easy to bring in the death penalty for anything the Euro Ruling elite think necessary.

[NoLies]

We would have to repeal the Murder (Abolition of the Death Penalty) Act 1965, and would somehow have to "unsign" the 6th and 13th Protocols of the European Convention on Human Rights.

I think your wrong Colonel, snidely written in to the Euro treaty in very small print, is the law that says, any one convicted of rioting can suffer the death penalty.

So that tells us that, we don't have to repeal the law, as its already been overwritten BY the Euro agreement, so it would now be easy to bring in the death penalty for anything the Euro Ruling elite think necessary.

[NoLies]

We would have to repeal the Murder (Abolition of the Death Penalty) Act 1965, and would somehow have to "unsign" the 6th and 13th Protocols of the European Convention on Human Rights.

I think your wrong Colonel, snidely written in to the Euro treaty in very small print, is the law that says, any one convicted of rioting can suffer the death penalty.

So that tells us that, we don't have to repeal the law, as its already been overwritten BY the Euro agreement, so it would now be easy to bring in the death penalty for anything the Euro Ruling elite think necessary.

[NoLies]

We would have to repeal the Murder (Abolition of the Death Penalty) Act 1965, and would somehow have to "unsign" the 6th and 13th Protocols of the European Convention on Human Rights.

I think your wrong Colonel, snidely written in to the Euro treaty in very small print, is the law that says, any one convicted of rioting can suffer the death penalty.

So that tells us that, we don't have to repeal the law, as its already been overwritten BY the Euro agreement, so it would now be easy to bring in the death penalty for anything the Euro Ruling elite think necessary.

[NoLies]

We would have to repeal the Murder (Abolition of the Death Penalty) Act 1965, and would somehow have to "unsign" the 6th and 13th Protocols of the European Convention on Human Rights.

I think your wrong Colonel, snidely written in to the Euro treaty in very small print, is the law that says, any one convicted of rioting can suffer the death penalty.

So that tells us that, we don't have to repeal the law, as its already been overwritten BY the Euro agreement, so it would now be easy to bring in the death penalty for anything the Euro Ruling elite think necessary.