THE O'Bumma Thread - Original Vintage Edition

[ZiaAries]

Zia for President, with Cambridge on the ticket for Vice-President

I prefer Paris Hilton. I believe together she and I could bring world peace.

[myron myron]

A Catholic Case Against Barack

by Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted 08/12/2008 ET

In the Pennsylvania primary, Barack Obama rolled up more than 90 percent of the African-American vote. Among Catholics, he lost by 40 points. The cool liberal Harvard Law grad was not a good fit for the socially conservative ethnics of Altoona, Aliquippa and Johnstown.

But if Barack had a problem with Catholics then, he has a far higher hurdle to surmount in the fall, with those millions of Catholics who still take their faith and moral code seriously.

For not only is Barack the most pro-abortion member of the Senate, with his straight A+ report card from the National Abortion Rights Action League and Planned Parenthood. He supports the late-term procedure known as partial-birth abortion, where the baby's skull is stabbed with scissors in the birth canal and the brains are sucked out to end its life swiftly and ease passage of the corpse into the pan.

Partial-birth abortion, said the late Sen. Pat Moynihan, "comes as close to infanticide as anything I have seen in our judiciary."

Yet, when Congress was voting to ban this terrible form of death for a mature fetus, Michelle Obama was signing fundraising letters pledging that, if elected, Barack would be "tireless" in keeping legal this "legitimate medical procedure."

And Barack did not let the militants down. When the Supreme Court upheld the congressional ban on this barbaric procedure, Barack denounced the court for denying "equal rights for women."

As David Freddoso reports in his new best-seller, "The Case Against Barack Obama," the Illinois senator goes further than any U.S. senator has dared go in defending what John Paul II called the "culture of death."

Thrice in the Illinois legislature, Obama helped block a bill that was designed solely to protect the life of infants already born, and outside the womb, who had miraculously survived the attempt to kill them during an abortion. Thrice, Obama voted to let doctors and nurses allow these tiny human beings die of neglect and be tossed out with the medical waste.

How can a man who purports to be a Christian justify this?

If, as its advocates contend, abortion has to remain legal to protect the life and health, mental and physical, of the mother, how is a mother's life or health in the least threatened by a baby no longer inside her -- but lying on a table or in a pan fighting for life and breath?

How is it essential for the life or health of a woman that her baby, who somehow survived the horrible ordeal of abortion, be left to die or put to death? Yet, that is what Obama voted for, thrice, in the Illinois Senate.

When a bill almost identical to the one Barack fought in Illinois, the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, came to the floor of the U.S. Senate in 2001, the vote was 98 to 0 in favor. Barbara Boxer, the most pro-abortion member of the Senate before Barack came, spoke out on its behalf:

"Of course, we believe everyone should deserve the protection of this bill. ... Who could be more vulnerable than a newborn baby? So, of course, we agree with that. ... We join with an 'aye' vote on this. I hope it will, in fact, be unanimous."

Obama says he opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act because he feared it might imperil Roe v. Wade. But if Roe v. Wade did allow infanticide or murder, which is what letting a tiny baby die of neglect or killing it outright amounts to, why would he not want that court decision reviewed and amended to outlaw infanticide?

Is the right to an abortion so sacrosanct to Obama that killing by neglect or snuffing out of the life of tiny babies outside the womb must be protected if necessary to preserve that right?

Obama is an abortion absolutist. "I could find no instance in his entire career," writes Freddoso, "in which he voted for any regulation or restriction on the practice of abortion."

In 2007, Barack pledged that, in his first act as president, he will sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would cancel every federal, state or local regulation or restriction on abortion. The National Organization for Women says it would abolish all restrictions on government funding of abortion.

What we once called God's Country would become the nation on earth most zealously committed to an unrestricted right of abortion from conception to birth.

Before any devout Catholic, Evangelical Christian or Orthodox Jew votes for Obama, he or she might spend 15 minutes in Chapter 10 of Freddoso's "Case Against Barack." For if, as Catholics believe, abortion is the killing of an unborn child, and participation in an abortion entails automatic excommunication, how can a good Catholic support a candidate who will appoint justices to make Roe v. Wade eternal and eliminate all restrictions on a practice Catholics legislators have fought for three decades to curtail?

And which Catholic priests and prelates will it be who give invocations at Obama rallies, even as Mother Church fights to save the lives of unborn children whom Obama believes have no right to life and no rights at all?


Link: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27992

As I stated when Cambridge quoted a piece by Pat Buchanan earlier in this thread, Buchanan is a modern-day American combination of Enoch Powell, John Tyndall and Nick Griffin. I disagree with almost all of Buchanan positions.

But Pat Buchanan is by no means stupid. His observations on certain issues and dynamics in American society are often valid and insightful.

Interestingly, Buchanan's views on particular issues resonate with divergent sectors of the political spectrum. Many on the left share Buchanan's unabashed isolationism (he is anti-Israel, against the Iraq war, and broadly opposes American military involvement abroad) and his vocal opposition to the defining military interventionism of neo-conservatives. Segments of both the right and the left share Buchanan's economic protectionism (he is anti-globalization and anti-NAFTA).

Buchanan is a product of Catholic parochial schools and earned his undergraduate degree from Georgetown University, America's most prominent Jesuit Catholic university (he also earned a master's degree in journalism from secular Columbia University). His positions on the most contentious social/cultural issues, such as abortion, are shared by most American Catholics and religious Christians generally.

There are some 64 million Catholic voters in the United States. If Obama loses the Catholic vote nationally to McCain by anywhere near the 40% gap between Obama and Hillary Clinton among Catholics in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary -- or even by 20% -- Obama's candidacy may become a late-term abortion itself.

But it is not only Catholics or even religious Americans who strongly oppose partial-birth abortion. The overwhelming majority of all Americans oppose it.

And virtually all Americans would be repulsed at legalization of killing a living newborn outside the womb, whether by action or inaction. This is evidenced by the bipartisan 98-0 U.S. Senate vote favoring passage of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which Obama opposed.

McCain would be well-advised to take heed of the Catholic demographic and to pound on Obama's radical opposition to any and all restrictions on abortion and Obama's support of infanticide of living newborns outside the womb.

[Big Ben]

Religion and abortion shouldn't be a campaign issue. There is supposed to be separation of church and state. However, it is what it is.

obama's opposition to legislation that would prevent the killing of babies outside the womb is an illustration of how dangerous he is. When he is not waffling on issues for political gain, he is passionately defending his core, far-left beliefs. He so strongly believes in those liberal to radical positions that he will sacrifice the real good in order to promote them. In this case, he is willing to sacrifice human life in order to protect abortion. In other cases, who knows what he will sacrifice in real terms, whether it be national security, incentives to work and produce (read: taxes), etc. to protect his social programs to the death? obama has the potential to do profound damage to America if he is elected.

[Black&Bold]

Hmm... it's quite possible a risky strategy, but you can see a certain logic to what he's doing.... the democrats are trying to raise the arguments re. Obama's lack of experience and nix them before the convention. I think.

clark attacked McCain's strong suit, experience. How does that help obama, for whom experience is his second weakest attribute, with only about one and a half years of national experience in the Senate before he began to run for president?

What is the logic that you see in that?

I think the logic is that experience is not McCain’s strong suit. He has had no experience as an executive at all. He’s as weak in this area as was GWB, and we've all seen what was the result of that fiasco. The truth in Clark’s words is in the distinction between being a war hero and being an experienced and world-wise executive. McCain lacks the latter.

I have to say I don't care about John McCain being a POW. Few of our presidents have had military experience and our last two presidents had no military experience and beat opponents who did. McCain can't even out raise Obama in campaign contributions amound active duty military. Obama is beating him 6 to 1. This military thing is way overrated as a qualification for being president if you look at how rarely we have elected veterans to the presidency in the past.

If Obama picks Clark as his VP and the Rethugs try to tear down a four star general all that will do is open the door for attacks on McCain. And from what I've read, they don't want to go there. At least Wesley Clark, unlike McCain has proven that he really does know how to win wars. I'm sure Powell will endorse Obama after the conventions. He and Clark campaigning with Obama will be powerful and I don't think that the Rethugs will dare impune Powell. He knows where too many bodies are buried.

[Cambridge]

Religion and abortion shouldn't be a campaign issue. There is supposed to be separation of church and state. However, it is what it is.

obama's opposition to legislation that would prevent the killing of babies outside the womb is an illustration of how dangerous he is. When he is not waffling on issues for political gain, he is passionately defending his core, far-left beliefs. He so strongly believes in those liberal to radical positions that he will sacrifice the real good in order to promote them. In this case, he is willing to sacrifice human life in order to protect abortion. In other cases, who knows what he will sacrifice in real terms, whether it be national security, incentives to work and produce (read: taxes), etc. to protect his social programs to the death? obama has the potential to do profound damage to America if he is elected.

Do you really want to advertise that McCain opposes abortion? Do you really want to go there?

[Big Ben]

Religion and abortion shouldn't be a campaign issue. There is supposed to be separation of church and state. However, it is what it is.

obama's opposition to legislation that would prevent the killing of babies outside the womb is an illustration of how dangerous he is. When he is not waffling on issues for political gain, he is passionately defending his core, far-left beliefs. He so strongly believes in those liberal to radical positions that he will sacrifice the real good in order to promote them. In this case, he is willing to sacrifice human life in order to protect abortion. In other cases, who knows what he will sacrifice in real terms, whether it be national security, incentives to work and produce (read: taxes), etc. to protect his social programs to the death? obama has the potential to do profound damage to America if he is elected.

Do you really want to advertise that McCain opposes abortion? Do you really want to go there?

I don't see McCain mentioned above, do you?

In Illinois, a downs syndrome baby survived an abortion and was born outside the womb. It was thrown in the garbage can. A nurse found the baby and held it in her arms for 45 minutes while the baby fought for breath and its life before dying.

Legislation was introduced in the Illinois State legislature to insure that babies born outside the womb who survived abortion attempts would have some protection and right to life. The only person who opposed this legislation was obama.

I don't see how he can live with himself.

[mogadishu]

In Illinois, a downs syndrome baby survived an abortion and was born outside the womb. It was thrown in the garbage can. A nurse found the baby and held it in her arms for 45 minutes while the baby fought for breath and its life before dying.

Dreadful.

[Cambridge]

Religion and abortion shouldn't be a campaign issue. There is supposed to be separation of church and state. However, it is what it is.

obama's opposition to legislation that would prevent the killing of babies outside the womb is an illustration of how dangerous he is. When he is not waffling on issues for political gain, he is passionately defending his core, far-left beliefs. He so strongly believes in those liberal to radical positions that he will sacrifice the real good in order to promote them. In this case, he is willing to sacrifice human life in order to protect abortion. In other cases, who knows what he will sacrifice in real terms, whether it be national security, incentives to work and produce (read: taxes), etc. to protect his social programs to the death? obama has the potential to do profound damage to America if he is elected.

Do you really want to advertise that McCain opposes abortion? Do you really want to go there?

I don't see McCain mentioned above, do you?

In Illinois, a downs syndrome baby survived an abortion and was born outside the womb. It was thrown in the garbage can. A nurse found the baby and held it in her arms for 45 minutes while the baby fought for breath and its life before dying.

Legislation was introduced in the Illinois State legislature to insure that babies born outside the womb who survived abortion attempts would have some protection and right to life. The only person who opposed this legislation was obama.

I don't see how he can live with himself.

Yes, truly awful, Ben. Let me offer some alternative situations. Birth control and IUD devices…a woman terminates the existence of an embryonic human being by going that way. Mid-term abortions? Late-term abortions? Same thing.

[mogadishu]

I doubt it.

[Big Ben]

Fred, you posted this video about obama's solutions when he said in rather a rather harsh and condescending tone that Americans, rather than worry about Mexican immigrants, should learn Spanish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7srmHLclw

You should know that he backtracked a couple days later and said that he claims what he really meant is that Americans should learn foreign languages generally, rather than Spanish in response to immigrants:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdj7bmMsYdw&NR=1

[Fred75]

Fred, you posted this video about obama's solutions when he said in rather a rather harsh and condescending tone that Americans, rather than worry about Mexican immigrants, should learn Spanish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7srmHLclw

You should know that he backtracked a couple days later and said that he claims what he really meant is that Americans should learn foreign languages generally, rather than Spanish in response to immigrants:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdj7bmMsYdw&NR=1

Yup.
He's too young and inexperienced to LEAD this great nation.
Maybe that's why the liberals want him in so much... they think this nation sucks!

[karrin]

This thread has really showed up people for what they are

[Big Ben]

And bushwalker, the forum's quintessential hit and run poster, employs sniper fire and lobs stink bombs - the only trade he knows.

[Cambridge]

No, I think he'd be a pretty cool guy to go on a photo hike in Western Australia with. Let’s cool the rhetoric and be friends.

[mogadishu]

This thread has really showed up people for what they are