George Bush on respecting other countries

[Cambridge]

This one?

Bushwalker, You KNOW I did not delete you. There is NO "third party" that would do this, unless it was TheJudge. Member's common sense says... why would he? What happened was... you could not PM me due to me blocking you, and you found the "loop hole" in the system which was, delete me as 'friend' only to re-invite me. By this manipulation, you were then able to send me another PM. I added you back the first time you deleted me because I took you at your word.
There is a saying that goes like this... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

You overstepped the boundary of my "FemaleFirst friendship" and comfort zone and that didn't come without warning to you. Again, I did NOT delete you and you "say" that you did not delete me. Well, now that makes one of us a liar. Right? The good news is . . . fortunately, since you said you've "reported" this to "admin" then I will call your claim and raise you by asking the powers that be to address your concern in this thread or any of the other threads you have brought attention to with this foolishness. I have yet to read what principles you possess. All I've read is insults and negativity from you and lots of smiley faces. You throw blame instead of offering your stance. Think about that OR continue with Zia this and Zia that. You either want to be recognised or you want to be invisible. If your choice is the latter, block me, ignore me and leave my name out of your posts. Final David!

The "fearless foursome" .... maybe we are fearless. We don't hide what we believe or who we are. We have backbone to say it and claim it.

*piss-take is a new word for me. hope I used in right context

I don't "KNOW" that you didn't delete me - I do believe you, though, that you didn't.

When I logged in (Friday?), you were no longer a "friend" - for the second time in the past fortnight.

After you denied having deleted me, I PM'ed 'Web Monkey' yesterday, enquiring what else might have happened. I am still waiting for a reply. I also PM'ed 'The Judge' yesterday, over a separate (probably unrelated..) attack against me over in Chit Chat.
You can check on the validity of these claims, easily enough.

Principles?
I believe I have made my position clear enough on several topics over this year.
I'm not invisible.
I don't lie.
I'm not a coward.
I try to stick to a simple creed - to "be quite, kind and gentle, in everything you do..".
I always stand by what I believe in, any friends I do have, and the truth (at least as I perceive it..).

Some people may choose not to consider the notions of honesty, truthfulness, a fair go, justice, mateship, and egalitarianism as part of somebody's principles - but I believe that I still possess such qualities in at least some small measure - the only people I'm aware of possibly denying that would have been myron, and maybe Ben; and perhaps you now also want to accuse me of being a liar and unprincipled.
Neither of which is true..

I'm not playing games, being underhanded, or being tricky on here...

[myron myron]

It's all very well for people to insult me when they're simply calling me names, swearing or giving their own subjective opinions.

But in the above, and in myron's attack last week, they went as far as to call me an unprincipled liar, her grumpiness inferred that I was spineless, and moron went as far as to call me a coward - this sort of rubbish isn't only demonstrably false, but also just a bit over the top as well.

You just contradicted yourself.

Thank you for proving I was right when I observed that you talk out of both sides of your mouth so often that it's second nature to you and you don't even realize how obvious it is to others.

My other comments about you are equally accurate.

[shrimper]

Tell that to the families of the thousands of Kurds massacred by Saddam's chemical weapons and to the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis murdered and tortured under Saddam's regime and to the families of the Kuwaitis massacred and tortured during Iraq's violation of Kuwait's sovereignty by military invasion and to the families of the hundreds of Israeli civilians murdered by Arab suicide terrorists, whose families Saddam rewarded with checks for thousands of dollars.

Then come back and share with us their reactions.

I was not trying to deny that there were human rights abuses in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, nor was I denying that there were innocent people killed on his instructions. I was rather commenting on the situation we have where Bush is demanding that Putin respect Georgia's sovereignty when Bush did the exact opposite with Iraq.

And if America feels that it wants to right human rights abuses by force, why hasn't it invaded Zimbabwe? Or is it because they don't they have any oil reserves?

You may recall that Iraq formally forfeited its sovereignty to the United Nations and the coalition led by the United States as a condition of cessation of the Persian Gulf War of 1991, which you may recall was started by Iraq invading Kuwait. Among other things, Iraq formally agreed that American and coalition armed jet fighters would control Iraqi air space and fly therein at will and that UN arms inspectors would have free and unimpaired access anywhere within Iraq in order to ensure Iraq's compliance with numerous UN Security Council Resolutions Iraq had admittedly violated. Nonetheless, Iraq then expelled the UN weapons inspectors and continued to violate numerous UN Security Council Resolutions. This is why Iraq’s sovereignty was non-existent when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

Now tell us how Georgia forfeited its sovereignty.

Myron myron, I'd like you to tell me how Iraq relinquished its sovereignty. There is no such concept as voluntary servitude, slavery if you will, to the UN or anyone else. If you have any Judeo-Christian background you know this to be a fact.

[Fred75]

Myron myron, I'd like you to tell me how Iraq relinquished its sovereignty. There is no such concept as voluntary servitude, slavery if you will, to the UN or anyone else. If you have any Judeo-Christian background you know this to be a fact.

If you commit murder do you keep your sovereignty?
If you commit genocide do you have a right to your sovereignty?

Try harder, next time.

[myron myron]

Tell that to the families of the thousands of Kurds massacred by Saddam's chemical weapons and to the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis murdered and tortured under Saddam's regime and to the families of the Kuwaitis massacred and tortured during Iraq's violation of Kuwait's sovereignty by military invasion and to the families of the hundreds of Israeli civilians murdered by Arab suicide terrorists, whose families Saddam rewarded with checks for thousands of dollars.

Then come back and share with us their reactions.

I was not trying to deny that there were human rights abuses in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, nor was I denying that there were innocent people killed on his instructions. I was rather commenting on the situation we have where Bush is demanding that Putin respect Georgia's sovereignty when Bush did the exact opposite with Iraq.

And if America feels that it wants to right human rights abuses by force, why hasn't it invaded Zimbabwe? Or is it because they don't they have any oil reserves?

You may recall that Iraq formally forfeited its sovereignty to the United Nations and the coalition led by the United States as a condition of cessation of the Persian Gulf War of 1991, which you may recall was started by Iraq invading Kuwait. Among other things, Iraq formally agreed that American and coalition armed jet fighters would control Iraqi air space and fly therein at will and that UN arms inspectors would have free and unimpaired access anywhere within Iraq in order to ensure Iraq's compliance with numerous UN Security Council Resolutions Iraq had admittedly violated. Nonetheless, Iraq then expelled the UN weapons inspectors and continued to violate numerous UN Security Council Resolutions. This is why Iraq’s sovereignty was non-existent when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

Now tell us how Georgia forfeited its sovereignty.

Myron myron, I'd like you to tell me how Iraq relinquished its sovereignty. There is no such concept as voluntary servitude, slavery if you will, to the UN or anyone else. If you have any Judeo-Christian background you know this to be a fact.

See my post of August 12, 2008, 10:31 am, on page 1 of this thread.

Sovereignty and voluntary servitude are totally different concepts and are wholly unrelated in this context.

[Cambridge]

Myron myron, I'd like you to tell me how Iraq relinquished its sovereignty. There is no such concept as voluntary servitude, slavery if you will, to the UN or anyone else. If you have any Judeo-Christian background you know this to be a fact.

If you commit murder do you keep your sovereignty?
If you commit genocide do you have a right to your sovereignty?

Try harder, next time.

If you commit murder do you keep your sovereignty?
If you commit genocide do you have a right to your sovereignty?

Are you talking about Saddam or the millions of innocent Iraqi people?

[boingo]

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Bushwalker, You KNOW I did not delete you. There is NO "third party" that would do this, unless it was TheJudge. Member's common sense says... why would he? What happened was... you could not PM me due to me blocking you, and you found the "loop hole" in the system which was, delete me as 'friend' only to re-invite me. By this manipulation, you were then able to send me another PM. I added you back the first time you deleted me because I took you at your word.
There is a saying that goes like this... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

You overstepped the boundary of my "FemaleFirst friendship" and comfort zone and that didn't come without warning to you. Again, I did NOT delete you and you "say" that you did not delete me. Well, now that makes one of us a liar. Right? ......

No... We both now know how it happened - automatically, (and therefore unbeknownst to each of us..) when I was blocked a couple of times over the previous two weeks - so, neither of us were lying last weekend.

I have yet to read what principles you possess. All I've read is insults and negativity from you and lots of smiley faces. You throw blame instead of offering your stance. Think about that OR continue with Zia this and Zia that. You either want to be recognized or you want to be invisible. If your choice is the latter, block me, ignore me and leave my name out of your posts. .....

You already knew what some of my values, principles and beliefs are. You conveniently choose to ignore that. You would know where I would stand on various topics, if you only wanted to think about it for a moment. I thought I was already recognised on here; I have never been invisible. I may sometimes be considered inappropriate or unacceptable in certain quarters, but I wouldn't say I've exactly been backwards in putting myself forward, and letting it be known where I stand.

You're quoting from a post that was done a week ago; to which you have already replied. Why must you continue to harass the poor lady? Please, just give Zia a f*cking break!

I know it's hard to just step back and let things settle. I've had to do this myself on occasions. A lot of us here have had to just take a break from the place when things have got out of hand, myself included.

[ZiaAries]

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Bushwalker, You KNOW I did not delete you. There is NO "third party" that would do this, unless it was TheJudge. Member's common sense says... why would he? What happened was... you could not PM me due to me blocking you, and you found the "loop hole" in the system which was, delete me as 'friend' only to re-invite me. By this manipulation, you were then able to send me another PM. I added you back the first time you deleted me because I took you at your word.
There is a saying that goes like this... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

You overstepped the boundary of my "FemaleFirst friendship" and comfort zone and that didn't come without warning to you. Again, I did NOT delete you and you "say" that you did not delete me. Well, now that makes one of us a liar. Right? ......

No... We both now know how it happened - automatically, (and therefore unbeknownst to each of us..) when I was blocked a couple of times over the previous two weeks - so, neither of us were lying last weekend.

I have yet to read what principles you possess. All I've read is insults and negativity from you and lots of smiley faces. You throw blame instead of offering your stance. Think about that OR continue with Zia this and Zia that. You either want to be recognized or you want to be invisible. If your choice is the latter, block me, ignore me and leave my name out of your posts. .....

You already knew what some of my values, principles and beliefs are. You conveniently choose to ignore that. You would know where I would stand on various topics, if you only wanted to think about it for a moment. I thought I was already recognised on here; I have never been invisible. I may sometimes be considered inappropriate or unacceptable in certain quarters, but I wouldn't say I've exactly been backwards in putting myself forward, and letting it be known where I stand.

You're quoting from a post that was done a week ago; to which you have already replied. Why must you continue to harass the poor lady? Please, just give Zia a f*cking break!

I know it's hard to just step back and let things settle. I've had to do this myself on occasions. A lot of us here have had to just take a break from the place when things have got out of hand, myself included.

Boingo, Thanks sweet man. Let him continue to make a fool of himself. I don't think he realizes, or cares, how low of a person he has portrayed himself to be... to ME. I haven't a clue what his mission is by this post nor does it make any difference to me in the way I view him other than he keep going lower than I thought he could possibly go.

I do not know what his values or principles are. He can list them all day and night if he wants, but it is his posts on the forum that I judged what kind of a person he was shown himself to be. I find him obnoxious and I don't want anything to do with him. He could opt to show a shred of pride in himself, and just back off me and and the others that he continues to toy with. No one is doing to him what he is doing to others. And no, myron is not doing it to BW either. BW claims to have myron blocked but continues to tail myron's every post and even post dirt about myron in threads that myron hasn't even been in.

BW, take note; on myron's best (or worst) days of coming across as an asshole, he still displays high intellect and a coolness that you can't complete with. AND.... If you for one second think he's not a NYC lawyer, then the joke is on you.

I not trying to be myron's cheerleader here. We all know he doesn't need my help or anyone else to back him up, however, I can read and clearly see what is going on and who is doing what to whom. Bushwalker, try to have some dignity in yourself man. If you ever want to be in my good graces again, you've gotta do better than this. Drop the "teapot" stuff too. Do your realize how infantile that silliness is?

[boingo]

You're welcome, Zia. I'm just as tired of the bullying as you are.

[Sharon den Adel]

Tell that to the families of the thousands of Kurds massacred by Saddam's chemical weapons and to the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis murdered and tortured under Saddam's regime and to the families of the Kuwaitis massacred and tortured during Iraq's violation of Kuwait's sovereignty by military invasion and to the families of the hundreds of Israeli civilians murdered by Arab suicide terrorists, whose families Saddam rewarded with checks for thousands of dollars.

Then come back and share with us their reactions.

Don't forget the innocent Iraqi's killed by the US. They are important too.

[Cambridge]

Tell that to the families of the thousands of Kurds massacred by Saddam's chemical weapons and to the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis murdered and tortured under Saddam's regime and to the families of the Kuwaitis massacred and tortured during Iraq's violation of Kuwait's sovereignty by military invasion and to the families of the hundreds of Israeli civilians murdered by Arab suicide terrorists, whose families Saddam rewarded with checks for thousands of dollars.

Then come back and share with us their reactions.

Don't forget the innocent Iraqi's killed by the US. They are important too.

+1

[ZiaAries]

Tell that to the families of the thousands of Kurds massacred by Saddam's chemical weapons and to the families of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis murdered and tortured under Saddam's regime and to the families of the Kuwaitis massacred and tortured during Iraq's violation of Kuwait's sovereignty by military invasion and to the families of the hundreds of Israeli civilians murdered by Arab suicide terrorists, whose families Saddam rewarded with checks for thousands of dollars.

Then come back and share with us their reactions.

Don't forget the innocent Iraqi's killed by the US. They are important too.

Sharon, This war (the US and the allies, England included) has not killed the number of innocent Iraqis as Saddam did and would have killed if he was still alive. That man killed his daughters husbands. He executed men by firing squad. Double check your current events and weigh what you will. Saddam killed more innocents by holding back medical supplies just to despite the west. He lived in palaces and let his own people go without necessities. Don't forget the many innocent Iraqis he brutally murdered.