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[Guest]

I think Fred has yet to work out that there are in fact, as many conservative gay politicians as liberal.

[Fred75]

What about the spread of AIDS and HIV amongst straight people? The virus spreads at a far greater rate though straight people than it does through gay people.

Care to give us a link proving gay men in the WESTERN WORLD are not the highest risk for getting AIDS & HIV?

I did not say a gay person is not at a higher risk of contracting the virus than a straight person. I said it spreads at a greater rate through straight people. I was trying to highlight that most HIV and AIDS sufferes are not gay, but straight based simply on the number of straight people in comparison to gay people. (I have read before that 10% of people in the world are gay). It is an assumption based on numbers.

You just have to consider the problems in Africa, where I doubt Africa has any more gay people than the rest of the world. You hear of babies being born with AIDS! Now not even someone as ignorant as you Fred75 can say that is the product of homosexual activity!

You may want to take a read of this website from the National Health Service.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=196&sectionId=34

If you read that link I posted then you will see it says that gay men are most at risk. However this just highlights the fact that the virus is spread easier through Anal sex and a culture that existed when people did not know of the risks they were exposing themselves to when not using a condom. However that culture has changed.

Also, why do you only care about the West? Do you not care what happens in Africa, the Middle East and the Far East?

Also Fred75, why don't you be honest with us? Your argument here is not based on a crusade to rid the world of AIDS and HIV. Otherwise you would be championing the use of contraceptives, educating people, providing medicine to those who can't afford it and research into curing the disease. From what I can see, the point of your argument is actually about riding the world of homosexuals am I right?

You need to learn how to READ!

HIV most commonly affects gay men. However, this does not mean that the condition is only a concern for the gay community. In the UK, it is estimated that one in ten cases of HIV are acquired during heterosexual sex.

Guess who the other 9 are, numb nut?

[Fred75]

What about the spread of AIDS and HIV amongst straight people? The virus spreads at a far greater rate though straight people than it does through gay people.

Care to give us a link proving gay men in the WESTERN WORLD are not the highest risk for getting AIDS & HIV?

I'm not sure that there are verifiable statistics from a recognised authority, but the UN report on those living with HIV at the end of 2006 gave the combined figure for North America and Europe as 2,140,000,

That's all very nice.
But it doesn't break it down by sexual preference.
You get an F.

[The Colonel]

What about the spread of AIDS and HIV amongst straight people? The virus spreads at a far greater rate though straight people than it does through gay people.

Care to give us a link proving gay men in the WESTERN WORLD are not the highest risk for getting AIDS & HIV?

I did not say a gay person is not at a higher risk of contracting the virus than a straight person. I said it spreads at a greater rate through straight people. I was trying to highlight that most HIV and AIDS sufferes are not gay, but straight based simply on the number of straight people in comparison to gay people. (I have read before that 10% of people in the world are gay). It is an assumption based on numbers.

You just have to consider the problems in Africa, where I doubt Africa has any more gay people than the rest of the world. You hear of babies being born with AIDS! Now not even someone as ignorant as you Fred75 can say that is the product of homosexual activity!

You may want to take a read of this website from the National Health Service.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=196&sectionId=34

If you read that link I posted then you will see it says that gay men are most at risk. However this just highlights the fact that the virus is spread easier through Anal sex and a culture that existed when people did not know of the risks they were exposing themselves to when not using a condom. However that culture has changed.

Also, why do you only care about the West? Do you not care what happens in Africa, the Middle East and the Far East?

Also Fred75, why don't you be honest with us? Your argument here is not based on a crusade to rid the world of AIDS and HIV. Otherwise you would be championing the use of contraceptives, educating people, providing medicine to those who can't afford it and research into curing the disease. From what I can see, the point of your argument is actually about riding the world of homosexuals am I right?

You need to learn how to READ!

HIV most commonly affects gay men. However, this does not mean that the condition is only a concern for the gay community. In the UK, it is estimated that one in ten cases of HIV are acquired during heterosexual sex.

Guess who the other 9 are, numb nut?

Utter bollocks.

There are drug users, prostitutes and so on.

[The Colonel]

By the end of 2005, 63,500 adults aged 15 to 59 were estimated to be living with HIV in the United Kingdom. This figure includes diagnosed people and 20,100 who were unaware of their infection. In 2005, 7,450 new HIV cases were diagnosed. This was nearly double the number diagnosed in 2000.

In contrast, the numbers of AIDS diagnoses and deaths in HIV-infected individuals declined after the introduction of effective combination therapy in 1996. In more recent years AIDS diagnoses and HIV-related deaths have remained relatively constant, with 730 reports of AIDS and 503 deaths during 2005.

Infections acquired heterosexually have accounted for the much of the rapid rise in the numbers of new HIV diagnoses (4,049 in 2005 compared to 840 in 1996) although there has also been an increase in the number of diagnoses among gay and bisexual men (2,356 in 2005 compared to 1555 in 1996). Since 1999 the number of new HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals have outnumbered those among gay and bisexual men. However, due to increased testing and continued transmission, the 2,356 new diagnoses of HIV infection among gay and bisexual men reported in 2005 was the highest ever.

Just under two thirds (2,571) of acquired HIV infections diagnosed in 2005 were in women, and just over two thirds of the total in both heterosexual men and women (2,760) were probably acquired in Africa. However, the numbers of HIV diagnoses among heterosexuals probably infected in the UK have increased significantly (553 in 2005 compared to 130 in 1996).

TWO THIRDS WOMEN

TWO THIRDS ACQUIRED IN AFRICA

That means 6/10 are FEMALE.

Gay men don't usually have sex with women..................

[The Colonel]

Will you now be directing your hatred to WOMEN and AFRICANS Fred?

THEY ARE DISEASE SPREADERS! YA!

[Ming]

What about the spread of AIDS and HIV amongst straight people? The virus spreads at a far greater rate though straight people than it does through gay people.

Care to give us a link proving gay men in the WESTERN WORLD are not the highest risk for getting AIDS & HIV?

I'm not sure that there are verifiable statistics from a recognised authority, but the UN report on those living with HIV at the end of 2006 gave the combined figure for North America and Europe as 2,140,000,

That's all very nice.
But it doesn't break it down by sexual preference.
You get an F.

Logically, if there are ten times the number of sufferers in Africa, the risk is higher. While Kinsey claimed that 10% of the population was gay or bisexual, The 2000 U.S. Census Bureau found that homosexual couples constitute less than 1% of American households. The Family Research Report claims "around 2-3% of men, and 2% of women, are homosexual or bisexual. The population of 'The West' is around 1000m people which means that around 0.02% of the population has HIV. Clearly, not all of these will be homosexual, or indeed men, which probably takes it a good deal lower. The population of sub-saharan Africa is around 770m of whom over 3% have HIV. As they say in your fair country, 'do the math'.

I am of course making the assumption that you are better at mathematics than you are reasoned argument.

[The Colonel]

It is widely accepted that about 1 in 10 people are homosexual.

[The Maestro]

Will you now be directing your hatred to WOMEN and AFRICANS Fred?

THEY ARE DISEASE SPREADERS! YA!

He already has! Look how he spouts off about women being wh0res, or how they should be at home barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

The AIDS/HIV spread info he offers is about african studies with circumcision.

Women, gays, blacks. I'm surprised the Jews have survived his rants. Or the Native American tribes.

[Fred75]

It is widely accepted that about 1 in 10 people are homosexual.

Accepted but not accurate according to those that actually take the data.
They put it between 5 and 7%.

Try getting your "gay" data from places other than gay sites with gay agendas.

[Fred75]

Will you now be directing your hatred to WOMEN and AFRICANS Fred?

THEY ARE DISEASE SPREADERS! YA!

Woman to woman transmission has only been documented ONCE!
That tells me that women do not pass it easily.
Which begs the question as to where these "hetero men" are getting it from???

You guessed it... they are on the DOWN LOW!

And third world countries are not the western world.

[Fred75]

What about the spread of AIDS and HIV amongst straight people? The virus spreads at a far greater rate though straight people than it does through gay people.

Care to give us a link proving gay men in the WESTERN WORLD are not the highest risk for getting AIDS & HIV?

I'm not sure that there are verifiable statistics from a recognised authority, but the UN report on those living with HIV at the end of 2006 gave the combined figure for North America and Europe as 2,140,000,

That's all very nice.
But it doesn't break it down by sexual preference.
You get an F.

Logically, if there are ten times the number of sufferers in Africa, the risk is higher. While Kinsey claimed that 10% of the population was gay or bisexual, The 2000 U.S. Census Bureau found that homosexual couples constitute less than 1% of American households. The Family Research Report claims "around 2-3% of men, and 2% of women, are homosexual or bisexual. The population of 'The West' is around 1000m people which means that around 0.02% of the population has HIV. Clearly, not all of these will be homosexual, or indeed men, which probably takes it a good deal lower. The population of sub-saharan Africa is around 770m of whom over 3% have HIV. As they say in your fair country, 'do the math'.

I am of course making the assumption that you are better at mathematics than you are reasoned argument.

A) Contraception in Africa is Anal SEX if you have no condom.
B) Sex with boys and children is not the same taboo as it is here.

Do I have to spell it out for you, NOW, as to why Africa and the like are not the same as the West?

[Fred75]

Gay men don't usually have sex with women..................

Gay "boys" do.
They experiment with their sexuality and are also called BI-sexual.
It's why the younger girls get it after learning safe sex in your schools.
Your a LIBERAL, remember? There are no rules!

[The Colonel]

It is widely accepted that about 1 in 10 people are homosexual.

Accepted but not accurate according to those that actually take the data.
They put it between 5 and 7%.

Try getting your "gay" data from places other than gay sites with gay agendas.

I am quoting HM Government.

[The Colonel]

Gay men don't usually have sex with women..................

Gay "boys" do.
They experiment with their sexuality and are also called BI-sexual.
It's why the younger girls get it after learning safe sex in your schools.
Your a LIBERAL, remember? There are no rules!

They get STD's because kids aren't educated about condoms.

Because people like you won't have it.

And, my "gay boy" has not had sex with a female - or a male.