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Postby Koichi Ito on Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:51 pm

Of course Men do wear high heel shoes too! So Fashion Industries like Christian Louboutin, Casadei SpA., Gucci SpA., Prada SpA., Manolo Blahnink Limited, and Jimmy Choo Limited must make high heel shoes for men too! I believe in equal right about what men and women chooses to wear! If Martin Luther King Jr. is alive Today? He will say that they have to make high heel shoes for men too!

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Postby unicat79 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:43 am

Hi there,

The Martin Lothar King jr. was already here. It was Simone de Beauvoir (french feminist) that quoted: "Equality between men and women is reached, when men wear skirts". So much to the socio-institutional background. In Germany there is the discussion that womens' equity is still not ende up, because first women kept their traditional view on men (how they have to be) and men theirselves have not taken new (further female) freedom e. g. in fashion. Their hyper-masculinity led them into a so called lock-in of holding up stereotypes of manlihood by knowing the fact that traditional masculinity (industrial worker who cares for his wife and the children) is just passé! If You want to know more about these facts then read about the queer-theory and Judith Butler.
Downgrading to fashion it's time for change! Mens fashion is not individual and fitting to a guy who wants to express what he is in real and not only playing gender-roles.
So in my opinion the high-heeled men is a good way to express "his woman in him" which almost every man has. The contrast between masculine and feminine is very interesting and gender stereotypes have to be troubled! They are not fitting in global society any more.
In Germany the women "stand their man". And mow it's time for the men "to stand their woman"! Thats real equity and we all could have advantages in freedom and tolerance therefrom. Think of Richard Florida's three T's. Because of this designers will produce high heels for men in future. They won't let go such an opportunity through their fingers. Be sure!

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Postby Koichi Ito on Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:21 pm

unicat79 wrote:Hi there,

The Martin Lothar King jr. was already here. It was Simone de Beauvoir (french feminist) that quoted: "Equality between men and women is reached, when men wear skirts". So much to the socio-institutional background. In Germany there is the discussion that womens' equity is still not ende up, because first women kept their traditional view on men (how they have to be) and men theirselves have not taken new (further female) freedom e. g. in fashion. Their hyper-masculinity led them into a so called lock-in of holding up stereotypes of manlihood by knowing the fact that traditional masculinity (industrial worker who cares for his wife and the children) is just passé! If You want to know more about these facts then read about the queer-theory and Judith Butler.
Downgrading to fashion it's time for change! Mens fashion is not individual and fitting to a guy who wants to express what he is in real and not only playing gender-roles.
So in my opinion the high-heeled men is a good way to express "his woman in him" which almost every man has. The contrast between masculine and feminine is very interesting and gender stereotypes have to be troubled! They are not fitting in global society any more.
In Germany the women "stand their man". And mow it's time for the men "to stand their woman"! Thats real equity and we all could have advantages in freedom and tolerance therefrom. Think of Richard Florida's three T's. Because of this designers will produce high heels for men in future. They won't let go such an opportunity through their fingers. Be sure!


Men wore Skirt and High Heel Shoes in 17th and 18th Century. Why can we done it then why not Today? If Fashion Designers like Christian Louboutin, Casadei SpA., Gucci SpA., Prada SpA., Manolo Blahnik Limited, and Jimmy Choo Limited makes shoes and clothes in Men's Size or for Men.

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Postby Usquanigo on Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:23 pm

Koichi Ito wrote:Men wore Skirt and High Heel Shoes in 17th and 18th Century. Why can we done it then why not Today?


NO THEY F****** DID NOT!!

Get that S*** out of your head. Or at least try pulling your head out of your ass.

Look, if you want to be a freak, go right ahead. But, aside from the fact that your obsession with naming designers that nobody gives a flying F*** about is annoying as hell, you are intentionally spreading LIES.

Learn history before trying to spout off about it, so you don't look like such an ass.

1. Kilts are NOT skirts. What part of that do you not understand?
2. In the 16 and 17 hundreds (the "17th and 18th centuries" you are referring to), men wore knee britches and pants.
Look -> Phillip V of Spain (December 19, 1683 - July 9, 1746) - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Felipe_V%3B_Rey_de_Espa%C3%B1a.jpg
Louis XIV of France (September 5, 1638 – September 1, 1715) - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Nicolas_de_Largilli%C3%A8re_003.jpg

Knee britches and long coats. Not a "high" heel, nor skirt among them. More? Ok, Thomas Jefferson (April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826) and contemporaries at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776 -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Declaration_independence.jpg

Heels, when present, were LOW HEELS, made purely for the purpose of keeping a mounted knight in his stirrups, then transitioned into "fashion" via royalty. They were NEVER HIGH heels.

Either learn what you are talking about, or STFU.

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Postby Koichi Ito on Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:25 pm

Since Rosie O'Donnell and Ellen DeGeneres do look good in Men's Clothes and Shoes! If so some Men do look good in Women's Clothes and Shoes! I have seen some Men look beautiful in Dress and High Heel Shoes!

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Postby Tljakes on Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:25 pm

You should perhaps go look closer at those pictures you like to flaunt. As heels in the French court for men where 3" to 4" and looked more feminine than most women shoes today. Not to speak about their makeup and petticoats made of the finest silk......

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Postby Usquanigo on Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:46 pm

Koichi Ito wrote:Since Rosie O'Donnell and Ellen DeGeneres do look good in Men's Clothes and Shoes! If so some Men do look good in Women's Clothes and Shoes! I have seen some Men look beautiful in Dress and High Heel Shoes!


Those "women", if you can call them such, are disgusting, and nothing can male them look good. And your attempt to use logic failed big time.

Tljakes wrote:You should perhaps go look closer at those pictures you like to flaunt. As heels in the French court for men where 3" to 4" and looked more feminine than most women shoes today. Not to speak about their makeup and petticoats made of the finest silk......


Another "guest" too afraid to register?

I've looked that them and more, as closely as is necessary, including statues. Heels come from the stirrup, and are never so high as to impede mobility (rare exceptions do NOT prove your argument, try again). They are also wide and "chunky". And you know what? We see that elsewhere too.... like here - http://www.germes-_.com/direct/dbimage/50336595/Military_Combat_Boot.jpg Imagine that. lol

Low heels are comfortable, and let the foot rest in a natural position, and WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, IT'S CALLED PRACTICALLY EVERY MEN'S SHOE EVER MADE.

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Postby Koichi Ito on Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:50 am

Koichi Ito wrote:Of course Men do wear high heel shoes too! So Fashion Industries like Christian Louboutin, Casadei SpA., Gucci SpA., Prada SpA., Manolo Blahnink Limited, and Jimmy Choo Limited must make high heel shoes for men too! I believe in equal right about what men and women chooses to wear! If Martin Luther King Jr. is alive Today? He will say that they have to make high heel shoes for men too!


This debate on Men wearing high heel shoes will go on until day when Men start wearing Skirt or Dress with high heel shoes! Many people like me will ask question like this until the Fashion Reformation or Fashion Civil Right Movement. If someone like Martin Luther or Martin Luther King Jr. to start trend for Men to wear dress and high heel shoes or Designer Fashion Industies like Christian Louboutin, Casadei SpA., Gucci SpA., Prada SpA., Manolo Blahnik Limited, and Jimmy Choo Limited to make designer fashion shoes for men!

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Suceeded!

Postby unicat79 on Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:16 am

Hi,

When I read for example the posts of "usquanigo" then I feel that I suceeded in troubling gender-role-playing! Like Rui Leonardes does!

I made the experience that many people totally blank out new forms of fashion, when it troubles gender-roles. It is not the first question, that men in former times wore similar fashion. It is the point that many men want to wear it TODAY! And it is their right to do and to express it, so far I understand equity and democracy. If everybody would like it? No idea. Tastes are different. But everybody has to respect it!
As women fought for trousers, men can fight for high heels. Where is the difference in this case? When some people have problems with the picture of high heeled men, well it's just their problem!
Many men get it that these are also facetts of freedom - to wear what You want. Women do it in the same way. Men have the right not be always practically, they have the right for elegance and for beauty - as women have, too!
Usquanico, You are right. Heels come from stirrups, but what men make out of it now - as women do - is just their affair. You won't stop it with vulgar words! It's time to conquer womens' wardrobe for male emancipation!

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Re: Suceeded!

Postby Guest on Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:08 am

unicat79 wrote:Hi,

When I read for example the posts of "usquanigo" then I feel that I suceeded in troubling gender-role-playing! Like Rui Leonardes does!

I made the experience that many people totally blank out new forms of fashion, when it troubles gender-roles. It is not the first question, that men in former times wore similar fashion. It is the point that many men want to wear it TODAY! And it is their right to do and to express it, so far I understand equity and democracy. If everybody would like it? No idea. Tastes are different. But everybody has to respect it!
As women fought for trousers, men can fight for high heels. Where is the difference in this case? When some people have problems with the picture of high heeled men, well it's just their problem!
Many men get it that these are also facetts of freedom - to wear what You want. Women do it in the same way. Men have the right not be always practically, they have the right for elegance and for beauty - as women have, too!
Usquanico, You are right. Heels come from stirrups, but what men make out of it now - as women do - is just their affair. You won't stop it with vulgar words! It's time to conquer womens' wardrobe for male emancipation!


I agree with you!

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Postby unicat79 on Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:26 pm

Hi to all fans of hyper-masculinism,

Here is something to think over for You, because obviously You get mad by the imagination of high heeled men respectively Your own positions of the masculine.

It is very easy but also very sad. Women have got it when they take the freedom to style them as they want to. Men do not, because they are sooo masculine and don't want to appear feminine at all. In this case, masculinity is a stumpling block for gaining new freedom. Men need not to wear feminine things, but they have the freedom to do it. That's a difference! Having the freedom improves individualism and creativity instead of uniformity and an actual phantom called the stereotypical man, which can only show his masculinity by clothes and tuned cars and being macho, because the supplier with wife at home and one child is dead. If You think that is male performance, then I start laughing loudly. This masculinity everyone can buy, also women. Men that do not react of female empowerment and continue being just "a hard guy" will have the same fate as dinosaurs. I promise You!
Another aspect is that in every man is something feminine - call it adjectives, as well as all women have male facetts. Women use them proudly to reach something in society. What do men? Hiding it behind a haired chest and heterosexisms - congratulations! So there rises the question: is feminity worth less than masculinity. Is it embarrassing to show? Is in a sociological view a man the norm and all others just sideshow (called heteronormativity)? Is this the case why You get mad by men in high heels? Be ashamed when You think so. That vs. every equity!!!
Well, when You think of two diametric oppositional sexes which opposite in gender in the same way, then let me say: that is the view of either an idiot unable to look or the view of the forelast century. Even science said Good bye to this imagination. When this opposition between men and women is not existing anyway, so where is Your legalization for the silly stereotypes You defend? It would be better to read about it in a scientific way instead of repeating the zeitgeist of the fifties.
Well, dear men, you have to learn a lot. Perhaps women are actually the more intelligent being in this respect. But Your great masculinity seems to be a cause to turn off brains and feeling so masculine with not walking on high heels and in skirt. But the real masculinity You obviously lost: not hiding behind stereotypes and feeling well by self-piss-take but do it!

Sincerely Yours

André, which has got the right balls in his trousers for not needing to express his masculinity in an intrusive and silly old-traditioned and self-bordering way! Which is just emancipated and still a man who is attractive to intelligent women - or just because of this?

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Re: Suceeded!

Postby Usquanigo on Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:28 pm

unicat79 wrote:Hi,

When I read for example the posts of "usquanigo" then I feel that I suceeded in troubling gender-role-playing! Like Rui Leonardes does!

I made the experience that many people totally blank out new forms of fashion, when it troubles gender-roles. It is not the first question, that men in former times wore similar fashion. It is the point that many men want to wear it TODAY! And it is their right to do and to express it, so far I understand equity and democracy. If everybody would like it? No idea. Tastes are different. But everybody has to respect it!
As women fought for trousers, men can fight for high heels. Where is the difference in this case? When some people have problems with the picture of high heeled men, well it's just their problem!
Many men get it that these are also facetts of freedom - to wear what You want. Women do it in the same way. Men have the right not be always practically, they have the right for elegance and for beauty - as women have, too!
Usquanico, You are right. Heels come from stirrups, but what men make out of it now - as women do - is just their affair. You won't stop it with vulgar words! It's time to conquer womens' wardrobe for male emancipation!


:roll:

You are a real piece of work. How can you possibly type such crap with a straight face? (not that much of you is straight in the first place lol)

Go back, re-read this entire thread, read it slowly, and out loud if you have to. If you don't end up with a different perspecitive on it than you expressed above, ask someone to read and interpret it FOR you, as you appear to have reading comprehension issues.

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Re: Suceeded!

Postby Koichi Ito on Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:10 pm

Usquanigo wrote:
unicat79 wrote:Hi,

When I read for example the posts of "usquanigo" then I feel that I suceeded in troubling gender-role-playing! Like Rui Leonardes does!

I made the experience that many people totally blank out new forms of fashion, when it troubles gender-roles. It is not the first question, that men in former times wore similar fashion. It is the point that many men want to wear it TODAY! And it is their right to do and to express it, so far I understand equity and democracy. If everybody would like it? No idea. Tastes are different. But everybody has to respect it!
As women fought for trousers, men can fight for high heels. Where is the difference in this case? When some people have problems with the picture of high heeled men, well it's just their problem!
Many men get it that these are also facetts of freedom - to wear what You want. Women do it in the same way. Men have the right not be always practically, they have the right for elegance and for beauty - as women have, too!
Usquanico, You are right. Heels come from stirrups, but what men make out of it now - as women do - is just their affair. You won't stop it with vulgar words! It's time to conquer womens' wardrobe for male emancipation!


:roll:

You are a real piece of work. How can you possibly type such crap with a straight face? (not that much of you is straight in the first place lol)

Go back, re-read this entire thread, read it slowly, and out loud if you have to. If you don't end up with a different perspecitive on it than you expressed above, ask someone to read and interpret it FOR you, as you appear to have reading comprehension issues.


We need a Fashion Reformation or Fashion Civil Right Movement to make fashion for men and women equal. Not long ago long hair on men was unaccepted. Now many men wear long hairs! So same thing with clothes and shoes. Someday it will be okay for men to wear women's clothes and shoes!

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Re: Suceeded!

Postby Usquanigo on Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:37 pm

Koichi Ito wrote:We need a Fashion Reformation or Fashion Civil Right Movement to make fashion for men and women equal. Not long ago long hair on men was unaccepted. Now many men wear long hairs! So same thing with clothes and shoes. Someday it will be okay for men to wear women's clothes and shoes!


Stop! Take a deep breath. In through the nose, out through the mouth.

Now, slowly, read each and every post in this thread. See what you guys say, and then carefuly read my responses. See if you can notice a pattern.

You FEEL I'm talking about your desires. Look closely, is that really what's going on? It's amazing the perspective one can gain when one actually reads what is written.

And continuing - Women do NOT wear men's clothes. There is nothing in the women's section that is interchangable with men's. Sneakers, t-shirts, jeans, necklaces, rings, ear-rings, (wrist) bracelets, sunglasses..... ALL of it is made FOR WOMEN, with their unique style and structure in mind. And NONE of those items looks a thing like the men's versions.

Men will never choose to wear women's clothes, even if kilts become more predominant in society.

And yet again, you are using bullshit to fuel your twisted fantasy. Long hair was originally a fact of life, and common among nobility and warriors. Once the industrial revolution hit, it became a sign of lack of money and civilization, as well as impractical from a health standpoint (as we learned more about what living close together and being dirty brought about. So men went short haired (and as women stayed in the home, it was not the same issue that it was for men in mines, and tunnels, and railroads (and that's the only reason women kept their hair). Why did it come back? Because it was a sign of rebellion, hippies did it just to piss "the establishment" off, and bands took it up as well. But guess what.... Men still wore it in men's styles, and they still wore men's clothes.

In otherwords, you are compltely and totally wrong about THAT too, and it has NOTHING to do with what you are trying to connect it with. Stop that crap. Get your facts straight or STFU.

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Postby Koichi Ito on Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:23 am

Alf Huckham wrote:Another great thread takes shape here.


In fact some men look more beautiful in Dress and high heel shoes! I have seen them on talk shows!

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