Western Civilisation is at war.

[The-Prophet]

lena its spelt muslim, at least i assume thats what you meant.

oh and the best stratagy is to do nothing about it, and i am serious about that, they pose no threat to the people of our nation as a whole taking notice of them only makes their impact bigger, think about it would you be talking about it if it wasn't on the news so much

[Lena]

Thanx Prophet , nothing like the opinion of someone 16 ( who probably just put down his game boy ) to add to the conversation . I have seen plenty of hate and fear along with likely more violence than any other poster here and know that while there is a war with the terrorists we just can't turn against all moslems .

[The-Prophet]

Thank you lena, nothing like someone who decides to stereotype me as a gamer, if you would like to know what i just put down it would be Advancing Physics which i was reading up on my work for next lesson so as to get more from that lesson, not my game boy, mainly thats because it is a singly word "gameboy" just for the future the lastest one from nintendo is the DS and the one i would be most likely to be using would be the PSP. I have delt with hate and fear myself although i'd sure not as much as you, i don't say this because it doesn't affect me, my aunt who i get on with very well travels using the underground quite often and we couldn't get in touch with her after the bombing, it is merely my opinion.

Furthermore you seem to prefer calling muslims moslems, i myself didn't know that such an alternative exsisted and for that lack of knowledge i'm sorry, however there isn't a war with terrorist, there is a war with freedom fighters, the initail bombing of the twin towers is believed to be because of the US involvement in the middle east, namely providing money which was then used for weapons and those weapons then used. The attack was made and america overreacted. The iraq was invaded, this wasn't particually a good idea tactically, politically or ethically. The people who now you call terrorists are fighting on their own land against what they see as oppression, if this is to be resolved then the us needs to keep its big nose out of other countries business.

[Lena]

OK prophet , can you ever forgive me ? I see your folks let you stay up late on week-ends , wow is that cool ..................!!!!!!!!!!

[The-Prophet]

whats the time i get to stay up till have to do with the price of fish? great come back lena especially at 10pm

[Lena]

Now don't get too upset or your folks may cut back on your use of the pc . Sorry , can't be your sitter anymore tonite I have to get back to work and all those big people , you know how those grown-ups are !!!!!

[The-Prophet]

lena, is there any reason why you feel the need to make completely pointless comments based on my age? fyi tonight is spelt night not nite. and for future refence you shouldn't have used the comma after sorry, the space between the fullstop and pc, which should be capitalised, or a space between sorry and its comma. Furthermore you also have a misplaced space space after people before its comma and are before its excessive exclamtion marks.

Moving over your post with an even finer tooth comb i find that you refered to being my sitter; As you haven't been my sitter, as you put it, then you shouldn't have used the anymore although the link between it and this topic is quite amusing.

Finally your last post had absolutly no tangeable connection to my last post.

[lowery]

I can't speak for all the moslems . There are some terrorists who are out to kill Americans and people in the UK but thats not all moslems .The terrorists are the ones like the klan and nazis . Hating all moslems as a result wud be wrong since it wud be nothing more then bigotry and also help the terrorists get new members . Some civilians at the defense department more loyal to israel then America got us in the war in iraq for israel and have plans for wars with syria and iran for israel . Does that mean all the jews are bad ? NO !. Some catholic priests molested alota kids but does that mean all Catholic priests and Catholics are bad ? NO !Lets use our heads and fiight the bad guys not turn into bigots against a whole religion .

Who said anything about hate? Who said anything about "all Muslims"? And who said anything about the U.S.? Certainly not me. Neither the word "hate" nor any word derived therefrom appears in my posts.

My analysis and opinions addressed the war of civilizations specifically with respect to Western Europe and the UK in light of the London bombings and the mass violence in France. It is in Western Europe that the socioeconomics and demographics of Muslim minorities have created figurative powder kegs capable of exploding at the slightest spark, with consequences resonating to the very core of each society.

The United States is inapposite because the circumstances of Muslim minorities are materially different than those in Western Europe. The Muslim terrorists responsible for 9/11 and the previous terrorist attack on the World Trade Center were not "homegrown," i.e., they were not born and raised in the United States. The Muslim minorities in America are miniscule and insignificant compared to Western Europe.

I would add that my opinions are neither racist nor even radical but are echoed by respected politicians, academics and other knowledgeable commentators within each respective European country. Of course not everyone shares my views, but that does not make me a racist.

I note your inability or unwillingness to refute a single factual statement upon which I base my opinions. If you lack sufficient knowledge to address a topic in an intelligent, reasoned manner based on facts, then you should not swim in water clearly too deep for your capabilities. In avoiding the issues by resort to irrelevancies, generalizations based on second-hand anecdotes from random sources, and elementary logical fallacies, you only invite embarrassment.

And you haven't answered a single one of the pertinent questions I posed to you in my prior post, which are set forth below for your ease of reference:

Do you know anything about Islam? Do you know what the Koran is? Have you ever read a single word of the Koran? Have you ever been to an Islamic country? Have you ever even met a Muslim? Do you have a clue about the socioeconomic and demographic circumstances of Muslim minorities in Western European countries? I would bet your (honest) answer to every question is "no."

[Lena]

War of civilizations ? Sorry , sounds too much like my dead granddaddy talking about the white Christians being attacked by the jews , Catholics , and blacks . I don't know anything about the moslems who live in Europe so I can't talk about them . Do know having a job keeps people happy though so hope the kids get work for everyone's sake over there . I do know though if we start seeing ALL or even MOST moslems as enemies it wud be bigoted and only provide recruits for the terrorists .BTW , your signature that you try to show off with says about the same thing as DL Menard a cajun singer's NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE , THATS WHERE YOUR AT .................

[lowery]

War of civilizations ? Sorry , sounds too much like my dead granddaddy talking about the white Christians being attacked by the jews , Catholics , and blacks . I don't know anything about the moslems who live in Europe so I can't talk about them . Do know having a job keeps people happy though so hope the kids get work for everyone's sake over there . I do know though if we start seeing ALL or even MOST moslems as enemies it wud be bigoted and only provide recruits for the terrorists .BTW , your signature that you try to show off with says about the same thing as DL Menard a cajun singer's NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE , THATS WHERE YOUR AT .................

With respect to my use of the terms "war of civilizations" and "western civilization is at war," kindly refer to the title of this thread - which I did not start.

Your dead grandfather who was in the Ku Klux Klan is irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

If you admittedly "don't know anything about the moslems who live in Europe," then you admittedly have nothing relevant to say in reply to my original post.

The quote from Confucius in my sig has a different meaning than "NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE , THATS WHERE YOUR AT." It is possible, however, that Confucius stole his quote from the Cajun singer.

[Lena]

Gee lowrey you sound like Mr. N who I always liked . I know western civilization and a whole lot of moslems are at war with some radicals. Then again we have to be careful to avoid falling in the trap of hating the group for the actions of a few and also avoid being suckered by traitors among us to fight other countries wars . D L Menard took the Confucious saying ? How do I know ? But I do know Confuscious was not the only one with common sense in history.

[lowery]

You knew my identity by my writing style when you replied to my first post and called me a racist. I haven't tried to conceal it. And if you were not certain, I'm sure your friends gave you the heads up.

[Lena]

You knew my identity by my writing style when you replied to my first post and called me a racist. I haven't tried to conceal it. And if you were not certain, I'm sure your friends gave you the heads up.

No you are wrong , never called you a racist at all .My whole point is not to tar all moslems do to the actions of a few radicals .Don't know what friends your talking about but these are my ideas . I alwys thought my independant thinking here was one of the reasons you liked me ?

[lowery]

As noted in my first post, the violence has spread to Belgium and Holland:

France calmer, but violence hits other European countries

Last Updated Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:31:12 EST
CBC News

France was largely spared overnight Saturday from the violence that has wracked the country for 17 nights, but arson and violence have spread to other European countries.

There were fears that Paris would be a target Saturday after reports that a co-ordinated assault was being planned, but it didn't materialize.

An additional 3,000 police were mobilized to ensure calm over the Armistice Day long weekend, with increased security around noted landmarks like the Eiffel Tower and transportation centres such as train stations.

National police Chief Michel Gaudin said the relative calm on Saturday night represented a "major lull" in the turmoil. At a media briefing Sunday, he suggested "things could return to normal very quickly."

France reported only two major incidents on Saturday, one in the centre of Lyon southeast of Paris and the other in Carpentras in the south.

Reports from around the country said 374 vehicles were set on fire. That is down from about 1,300 overnight on Saturday and Sunday, Nov. 5 and 6.

FROM NOV. 8, 2005: State of emergency declared in France

President Jacques Chirac's government announced emergency measures on Tuesday, including curfews aimed at stopping the violence.

29 vehicles torched in Belgium

But Belgium had its worst night in a week and the Netherlands also reported violent incidents, although they are minor in comparison with the situation in France.

In Belgium, 29 vehicles were set on fire around the country. There are no reports of injuries and 50 people have been arrested.

In the Dutch city of Rotterdam, four cars were torched and a Molotov cocktail was thrown at a home.

Back in France, Lyon police used tear gas to break up a crowd of about 50 young men who were throwing stones.

The clash began at about 5 p.m. local time Saturday in Place Bellecour square, where riot police had been deployed to head off possible disturbances.

Police said two people were arrested in the violence.

In Carpentras, youths drove cars into a school and retirement home. No injuries were reported.

The unrest has mainly hit poor suburbs around large towns and cities as black and Arab youths rebelled against poverty, the lack of opportunities, and perceived harassment by police based on skin colour.

Violence erupted Oct. 27 after the accidental electrocutions of two teenagers hiding out in a power substation to evade police.

Copyright ©2005 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - All Rights Reserved

[mogadishu]

perhaps someone is deliberately trying to contrive a world war between the moslem/muslim and the western world.

who stands to gain?