mens rights?

[jake360]

I think this topic could start a bit of a fierce debate but i am intrested to no peoples opinions on this. I think as a poulation in the Uk we know and have heard alot of arguments for womens rights and why we should have them and fair enough it needs to be addressed but i would really like to know how many people have rsearched or found out about mens rights and the lack of them? I look forward to hearing your veiws and i think this could open up a can of worms lol.

[yorkshiredeb]

lols mens rights haha f*ck off

[jake360]

i appreciate your opinion but i think its comments like that which show peoples naivety, if you looked further into it you would find that there are some very serious issues related to mens rights

[jake360]

actually i understand why u feel like that and it would be silly of me not too. In this day and age it is not widely understood that mens rights are in crisis becuase it has never really been mentioned to us as we grow up so i totally see why u would have that opinion. I only hope that as people learn more about it that they understand and begin to help. I also understand that over the years women have had to fight very hard to get there veiws across and change things so to have a man say that mens rights are being neglected must sound like a joke but beleive me it is happening and it does sadden me.

[mogadishu]

certainly it happens in the area of domestic abuse - it's often quite hard for a man who is being beaten up to be taken seriously by the police. often he will be arrested if he tries to report it.

but generally, I'm not sure what Jake is talking about. Could you be a little more specific?

[jake360]

it is hard to get my point across on here so i will put up this link in the hope that a few of you look. All i ask is that you have an open mind. I would also like to add that this site isnt biased and is not trying to put women down at all. anyway thanks for you time and i look forward to hearing your opinions. http://www.ukmm.org.uk/

[WiredCoffeeJunkie]

I wasn't allowed a chance to name my child when he was born. I wasn't consulted, in fact was ignored, on all the paperwork. It wasn't my child afterall.. it was hers. As a single father I'm both pitied as a poor helpless man and watched by the school system as a potential liability to my children's development.

I had no say whatsoever in where my children went to school when I was separated, in fact she got custody by fiat and without recourse on my part, despite a history of severe mental illness and a legal document and expensive test stating I was boringly sane and she was very sick.

I was expected to pay her parents $1000 a month in rent (for a spare room and a converted walk-in closet for the two children in an area where the whole house could have been rented for less than that), plus half my gross pay and kept all the household expenses including the mortgage, while the court system slowly worked through their caseload.

Men are discriminated against and not just in divorces or just with children.

[mogadishu]

hmm.... one of my relative's cousins is basically bled dry for the sake of a son that he never gets to see. he loves the child more than anything and has to take two jobs just to keep up the payments. he treated his wife well but she just decided she didn't want him anymore. so yes, I can see where you're coming from.

[WiredCoffeeJunkie]

hmm.... one of my relative's cousins is basically bled dry for the sake of a son that he never gets to see. he loves the child more than anything and has to take two jobs just to keep up the payments. he treated his wife well but she just decided she didn't want him anymore. so yes, I can see where you're coming from.

All men have a stake in men's rights. There are only two real choices when you get poked with a sharp stake. Take away the stick, or put two blades on it.

[jake360]

thank u both for you replies. I would just like to point out that anybody who thinks that these examples are in the minority are wrong. i have researched and heard so many people with stories like this and would like to say that as a young adult i was shocked and hurt, i am scared at the fact that i could lose everything that i have ever worked for as well as somthing that i care so much about (my child or children). I would like to point out that i respect all peoples rights and have campained on the net for both female and male. I would also like to point out that these are not just the only issues which are affecting males in this country so if you would like to know more there is a link in one of my previous messages. Thank u.

[blue boys bitch]

You mean men actually have rights?

[jake360]

what do u mean b b b?

[xxintergirlxxy]

Hi Guys, sorry but your rights are being eroded. Thought you knew that. Do not believe that men are so naive as to not know what feminism is up to.

I am a teacher, a dad asked me only yesterday why girls do better than boys. Out of embarrassment, told him I did not know. The fact is that girls are doing better as a direct result of active discrimination against boys.

We all know it is going on but are powerless to do anything about it.

Ask your son, if a girl asks a teacher a question in class, we are encourage to answer but if a boy does the same, we are encouraged to scowl at him for disrupting us, blank him then carry on, leaving him in confusion and uncertainty.

Now I am not a feminist necessarily but those girls of us who are 'in the system' are powerless to challenge, else we could end up debating it at the local Job Centre.

Women in the West and particularly in Britain are getting ready to take over all areas of public life. Men are destined to become obsolete. That is a sad but true fact.

[xxintergirlxxy]

Until men get organised and get themselves into a viable 'masculinist' movement to counter feminism, they will continue on the slippery slope to oblivion.

But, truthfully, I think that men have left if too late. I think things have gone too far. I do not think men can ever pull back again.

What is needed isn't the man in the street, but academics, men getting into university professorships then arguing. That is where feminism started. As a critique against male excesses and abuses.

Now women go on about domestic violence as if it is a male on female problem, some feminists argue female on male just does not happen. It is not that it doesn't but feminism is not interested in male oppression, nor to be fair should it be.

Feminism is about women making men obsolete. If men let it happen then they cannot blame women, they can only blame themselves for being so complacent.

But like I said, I think men have let it go too far now, I do not think the situation is now reversible

[jake360]

thank u for that reply intergirl, to be honest i really dont know what to say to that, never before has somone so directly said that, that happens. im 18 and looking back at my school days i really no what your going on about, i remember being ignored very well. In reply to your (surely men arent so naive) veiws, well i myeslf was never told that these things were going on and its only since i heard the stories of other people that i realised just how bad the situation is. I mean i never suspected that we as men were treated in any way unfairly in the system because it just dident happen in our day and age and in our society, I mean after the way that women were treated unfairly in the past surely we learnt that it could not go on. i would just like to say i dont think its naivety i think that the way that it is hidden like it dosent exist by society clearely doesnt help us to realise, i mean im not naive but as a child i had no reason to think otherwise. by the way somthing is going to be done and i definatly dont think its to late. i am setting up a site that is going to change things and its for people that are being unfairly treated by the legal system and society. i believe when people are educated and actually see the wrong doings in this country things will change but we need people that understand what is happening to come forward and say.