*Mannifer* wrote:. wrote:The Jews were in Palestine thousands of years before the Muslims so why should they have to give up their home? They have no oil so why do folk want them to cease to exist? Israel is the only country in that area which does not mutilate women 'by law'. Is well known that in Iran and Egypt women are not allowed to keep their clitorises. How sick can that be? 6000-young girls every day are made to have their clitoris' and outer vaginal lips cut off [female circumision] without anaesthetic. I know, I work with a group who are trying to get it stopped.
OMG - you don't even know the history of Palestine - I will post an outline of that history that runs from approximately current times back to the 3 millenium BC. Read that history, absorb it, understand it - and then talk to me about the situation in Palestine.
There will be a few points that become VERY clear.
The cannanites were the original people of the land - the Palestinians of today are descended from them. The cannanites were not Muslim to begin with, because that religion only started circa 500 AD. Islam is the predominant religion of Palestinians today - but their chosen religion does not make it any less their indigenous land.
People have been f*cking with that piece of land for years - every man and his dog has tried to take over the territory. Things were pretty stable for awhile until the first world war came around and the Brits started telling the arabs one thing, the jews another and France and Russia yet another thing - all of which conflicted with one another - just to get people dancing to the tune the Brits wanted them to dance to - the The actions of the Brits back then contribute substantially to the issues that are playing out today - the same can be said for how they meddled in India and the creation of India and Pakistan when they left (and there are many many other examples throughout the world where they have left huge problems that are still trying to be worked through).
The Jews were given safe haven in Palestine after the second world war, a place those lucky enough to escape the concentration camps went in exodus from the holocaust in Europe. How did they repay the safe haven they were given? They took over and made Palestinians refugees of their own country. The Brits and Americans let it happen cos they didn't give a sh*t about the Arabs and the state of Israel gave them a 'puppet' presence in the middle east to further their own self interests (namely oil).
The BBC brings a much welcome balance to counteract the likes of Fox News.
What are you talking about? You have no concept of history at all. The Jewish immigration to Palestine was limited by the British from the 20's to 1949 when Israel was created. Jews were turned back to be slaughtered by the Nazis, only jews arriving before the 20's and illegals were in Palestine before and during WW2.
Jews have lived in Palestine for ages but the majority of the population was Arab who are not descendents from the Cannanites any more then the Jews. Palestine was controlled first by the Ottoman . then by the British. The Jews immigrated to Palestine creating there own cities and communities, the immigration started around 1900. Tel Aviv, ashdod, Ber Shava, New City Jerusalem, and many other smaller cities were all Jewish creations. From the beginning Arabs were against the Jews. They rioted and killed Jews in 1921, then massacred the entire Jewish population of Hebron in 1929, the massive inserection of 1936-1939 forced the Jews to ceate self-defense forces.
In 1948 the UN voted for a two state solution the Jewish part of the partition had a Jewish majority. The Jews before 1945 had never attacked Arabs despite many Arab attacks against Jews. When partition was announced the arabs vowed to massacre all the Jews of Palestine, the Palestinians and five Arab armies invaded Israel, but were soundly defeated. During the war the perpetuated massacres of Jews at Kfar Etzion, and killed any Jewish captives including 70 doctors and nurses on the way to Jerusalem. The jewish terrorist group Irgun did massacre Arabs at Dier Yassin but the main Jewish forces condemned them and later destroyed them. The Palestinians were both forced out and left because the believed the Jews would massacre them like they had sworn to murder all the Jews, there own leadership encouraged them to leave saying they could return as soon as the Jews had been murdered. The Jews won and these hostile palestinians could not be allowed to return because they would certainly sabotage Israel.
That is the true story.
