reverend wright interview with Bill Moyers

[ZiaAries]

But how does it help Obama to keep the thing in the news…more opportunity for news channels to run the bites over and over. I think Wright is doing this for selfish reasons, and he has no collusion with the Obama campaign.

I think Obama should rethink this man's loyalty. He all but call Obama two-faced. But then again.... maybe the same difference. As Wright said "but he's a politician."

[Cambridge]

Who among them isn’t a politician, zia? On that aspect, Wright was right on. Are McCain or Hillary not a politician? Wright was distancing himself not only from Obama, but from all of them. That’s what I said…Wright has his own agenda, and it doesn’t include the interests of Obama. He is only hurting Obama.

You keep suckering me into this debate that has me supporting Obama. He is not my candidate. But I wonder…if you can box me into this role so easily, maybe I'm missing something about my own sympathies. Nah, Nader forever!

[Lena]

Was funny when Wright said how he was in the marines for 6 years then joked about chaney never serving...............

Still think what he said about damming America was stupid especially when soldiers are fighting & dying for America.

Also still say the Democrats should raise hell about that religious entertainer Hagee supporting McCain and someone /anyone wud howl about the traitors like wolfowitz & perle who came up with the idea for attacking Iraq not to defend America but to help israel

[ZiaAries]

What is Wright's agenda? I listen to him and I'm wondering what Martin Luther King would think about this man. He is not a unifier in any form.

[Cambridge]

What is Wright's agenda? I listen to him and I'm wondering what Martin Luther King would think about this man. He is not a unifier in any form.

Well, neither, for that matter, was MLK. But no matter…Wright is a divider, as you imply. His agenda is not only to justify himself, but to underscore his message…which we’ve just learned is an anathema to middle America. I think that Obama must disavow this loose canon completely.

[ZiaAries]

I couldn't disagree with you more about King.


Next.....

[Cambridge]

Zia, if we disagree, it is one of the most interesting disagreement in history. The dialectic between the peace value and the conflict (or justice) value has become the major debate in the early 21st-ctintury. The peace value arose at the end of WWII, with the advent of the United Nations in San Francisco. Take a look at Article 2 and Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. It says, peace at all costs. That was the prevailing norm until GWB and the present neocons made the argument, at the UN, incidentally, that preemptive strikes were justified. That is the conflict value.

Now I don’t want to abstract Martin Luther King to geopolitical proportions, but he was saying the same thing. Civil disobedience was a kind of conflict value, cloaked in non-violence so that it didn’t look aggressive. But aggressive it was. I would agree that Wright does not even begin to reach the proportions of MLK, but we don’t do Dr. King justice by misunderstanding what he was doing. Change comes from conflict. That is why it is still around.

Oh, and if this looks like I support the neocons, let me state that things have to have a purpose. Have you noticed my use of the word "purposelessness”—as in this war has no “purpose?" A preemptive strike has to have a clear purpose with a definitive tactical scheme and an explicit end game. Think Nelson at Trafalgar; think Napoleon in Poland; think Israel in 1967. Now take a look at Iraq. Now do you see what a mess these idiots have made? Clearly, amateurs. And McCain, who buys in…don’t get me started.

[ZiaAries]

For Cambridge

[Cambridge]

Erm, what...? Well, it’s getting close to 8:30 pm, my bedtime. So gotta go, zia. Chat soon….

[Big Ben]

Having wright and King in the same discussion is a leading indicator of wright setting race relations back 40 years to the 60s.

wright didn't just become the guy who spoke at the national press club overnight; he's held these beliefs for decades. O'Bumma found these beliefs so objectionable that he stuck around listening to them for 20 years....

[ZiaAries]

Having wright and King in the same discussion is a leading indicator of wright setting race relations back 40 years to the 60s.

Amen to that Ben.

Why is the media giving this man so much attention? America hasn't kept him down with his 10 million dollar mansion under construction. Not bad for a church minister. Obama should purchase this guy a one way ticket to somewhere and not bring him back until after the election.

[myron myron]

Obama committed political suicide with that denigrating comment about small-town whites who favor religion and guns.

Obama's close friendship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists will hurt him badly as well.

Compared to the above, Rev. Wright is the least of Obama's problems.

[Big Ben]

The combination of a lot of things are all parts of the mosaic that reveal O'Bumma to be a radical or at the very least a radical sympathizer: reverend wright, contempt for working people who cling to religion, unrepentent terrorist william ayers, michelle o'bumma the beneficiary of affirmative action and recipient of a good life believing America is a mean country.

Now suddenly O'Bumma tries to pretend wright is suddenly a different man because of what happened Monday. wright has been that way and has espoused hatred for America, whites, etc. for a long, long time. And during that time, O'Bumma was attached to him at the hip. Nothing changed except that more people heard it.

[ZiaAries]

The combination of a lot of things are all parts of the mosaic that reveal O'Bumma to be a radical or at the very least a radical sympathizer: reverend wright, contempt for working people who cling to religion, unrepentent terrorist william ayers, michelle o'bumma the beneficiary of affirmative action and recipient of a good life believing America is a mean country.

Now suddenly O'Bumma tries to pretend wright is suddenly a different man because of what happened Monday. wright has been that way and has espoused hatred for America, whites, etc. for a long, long time. And during that time, O'Bumma was attached to him at the hip. Nothing changed except that more people heard it.

Could you repeat that?

[Cambridge]

The combination of a lot of things are all parts of the mosaic that reveal O'Bumma to be a radical or at the very least a radical sympathizer: reverend wright, contempt for working people who cling to religion, unrepentent terrorist william ayers, michelle o'bumma the beneficiary of affirmative action and recipient of a good life believing America is a mean country.

Now suddenly O'Bumma tries to pretend wright is suddenly a different man because of what happened Monday. wright has been that way and has espoused hatred for America, whites, etc. for a long, long time. And during that time, O'Bumma was attached to him at the hip. Nothing changed except that more people heard it.

Doesn't need repeating for my book, zia. The Democrats will lose in 2008, despite having all the sympathies of the public in 2006. Did you see today's headlines? The Democratic Congress is actually considering another funding bill for the Muslim American war. The Democrats don't deserve the American public's support, and they won't get it.

The only chance they have is if they go to convention with Billary and Obumma so deadlocked that the delegates turn to the truly experienced candidate, Al Gore. Edwards would be a good second choice. But these two clowns (Billary and Obumma) are an embarrassment. Democrats! Give em an opportunity to F*** up a wet dream, and they will.