Right - I have had enough!

[A Man]

I'm not anti-women. Don't judge me in such a sweeping manner. I'm more anti-me than anything.

[Guest]

Short, mousy brown hair, big nose, greasy skin, no muscles etc.

My greatcousin is a short man and has a lovely wife.
Do you have a decent hair cut ?
How big is big ?
Have you been to a dermatologist ?
Work out ?

[KitBowman]

I was directing that more at the other guy. Anyway, like I said, what about work friends? Or do you do anything outside of work where you could try and make female friends?

I mean come on, you must be approaching women who are completely out of your league if they all shrug you off. You've got to be realistic, there's no point going for the club hottie cos she's probably already got a boyfriend and a long list of admirers. You need to look in places where there's women who are more 'real life', and less likely to be rude to you, which is why I'm suggesting work and outside interests.

And or gods sake stop with all the 'I'm so ugly' stuff, you'll just put women off and it ruins your own self-confidence to keep repeating it. You might have been rejected a few times but I think you're looking at the wrong women.

[Paulos]

Though you could be wasting your breath trying to explain this to a woman

Ooh great, more bitter men. Is it possible to post pictures of yourself on this site? Because since you're both so anti-women I'd be interested to see if you're spot on or not about your appearances.

If my advice is worth little though because I happen to be a woman then just say, I can stop replying if you'd rather just swap rejection stories with another guy.

Sorry KitBowman, you're opinion is really appreciated and i always enjoy hearing a womans point of view. I think some of us men come on here to let off steam! Its just that when us guys write on these boards and say hiw they're intimidated by women a lot of women are surprised and it seems a revelation to them that men lack confidence when approaching them. This really bugs me, as it seems that women still have a lot to understand about men but they think they have them all clued up as they fit them into boxes labelled either 'w*nker', 'nice so has to be gay', 'good looking so has to be nice' etc without really understanding what its like from a guys perspective.

[KitBowman]

Sorry KitBowman, you're opinion is really appreciated and i always enjoy hearing a womans point of view. I think some of us men come on here to let off steam! Its just that when us guys write on these boards and say hiw they're intimidated by women a lot of women are surprised and it seems a revelation to them that men lack confidence when approaching them. This really bugs me, as it seems that women still have a lot to understand about men but they think they have them all clued up as they fit them into boxes labelled either 'w*nker', 'nice so has to be gay', 'good looking so has to be nice' etc without really understanding what its like from a guys perspective.

Guys for the most part don't understand women either. And we don't all stereotype men into little boxes like you said, there are some women like that but we're not all the same anymore than all men are the same. We do know that men are nervous about approaching women, and we get nervous about approaching them too! Men seem to put women into boxes as well, hot girls are desirable, average girls are second best, a girl who isn't interested must be a lesbian, a girl who is must be easy. Is that how all men think? No, of course not, but sometimes it seems that way to women.

Men and women think a lot of the same things about each other, we're all too shy to ask each other what we're thinking or too dense to notice that we're all just human.

[Guest]

Though you could be wasting your breath trying to explain this to a woman

Ooh great, more bitter men. Is it possible to post pictures of yourself on this site? Because since you're both so anti-women I'd be interested to see if you're spot on or not about your appearances.

If my advice is worth little though because I happen to be a woman then just say, I can stop replying if you'd rather just swap rejection stories with another guy.

Sorry KitBowman, you're opinion is really appreciated and i always enjoy hearing a womans point of view. I think some of us men come on here to let off steam! Its just that when us guys write on these boards and say hiw they're intimidated by women a lot of women are surprised and it seems a revelation to them that men lack confidence when approaching them. This really bugs me, as it seems that women still have a lot to understand about men but they think they have them all clued up as they fit them into boxes labelled either 'w*nker', 'nice so has to be gay', 'good looking so has to be nice' etc without really understanding what its like from a guys perspective.

From what i've seen, you label women, too. What you whining, guvner ?

[Paulos]

From what i've seen, you label women, too. What you whining, guvner ?

I think i do label women on these baords, though its generally only to help make a point. I'll try boxing and labelling a little less and try a few more generalisations.

[KitBowman]

I think i do label women on these baords, though its generally only to help make a point. I'll try boxing and labelling a little less and try a few more generalisations.

Boxes and labels ARE generalisations! Its putting people into one sweeping category and not allowing for individual differences.

[Guest]

From what i've seen, you label women, too. What you whining, guvner ?

I think i do label women on these baords, though its generally only to help make a point. I'll try boxing and labelling a little less and try a few more generalisations.

Cool

[Paulos]

From what i've seen, you label women, too. What you whining, guvner ?

I think i do label women on these baords, though its generally only to help make a point. I'll try boxing and labelling a little less and try a few more generalisations.

Cool

I'm confused now, i'm going for a lie down now in another room where its cooler.

[Fangia]

I'd say stop obsessing about women and self-image, find somewhere else to focus your attentions. If you become really dedicated towards a good cause (a charity, a hobby), and really make something of it, then women will admire you for that. Not all will, I'll grant you that, but the nice women would who presumably are the ones you'd want to be with anyway.

And don't let past experiences make you bitter or reclusive. A guy with a bad attitude is the most unnatractive.

[A Man]

I just wish I could like myself, not be hung up on my low placing in the 'man's attractiveness league table' and find the confidence to chat and joke with women like they were normal human beings, rather than some kind of Pop-Idol judge that needs to be impressed first.

[swee]

And don't let past experiences make you bitter or reclusive. A guy with a bad attitude is the most unnatractive.

that's what scares me, that i'll end up a bitter horrible person i'm already fairly reclusive as it is

[A Man]

Yep. Because I hate myself, I often get bitter at the world for 'not letting me in' so to speak/ All I want is to be a happy, funny, confident person who people want to be around and who one day could find a woman who fancied him!!!

[Paulos]

Yep. Because I hate myself, I often get bitter at the world for 'not letting me in' so to speak/ All I want is to be a happy, funny, confident person who people want to be around and who one day could find a woman who fancied him!!!

You sound like a pretty decent guy A Man, i know its hard no to be bitter when you see guys who aren;t particularly nice, amazingly intelligent or whatever go from one girlfriend to the next yet you're always single yourself. Its true that a negative outlook will only make things worse, and its a real test of character to stay positive or keep your head above the water at least. Though i've got to say that even being a positive and happy person won;t necesarily hand you a girlfriend, you may be promoted to the leagues of 'good work colleague'; 'really nice guy', 'a really good friend', to 'like a brother', yet if you don;t have the looks its hard to jump from being viewed like this to someone women really want to be with, its a tough life.