Rowan Williams says no to the Da Vinci Code

[xxintergirlxxy]

The latin vulgate is as valid today as it was 2000-years ago, but to cross reference we have the Greek. We also have the Sacraments of the Church that are as valid today as they were 2000-years ago. The Mass has been celebrated since apostolic times. Meeting for the 'Breaking of Bread is as relevant now as it was then.

But we do not need to rely on canonical scripts, since Christ promised to send the Advocate,the Holy Spirit who is here as much now as we speak and will be until the end of time. The Advocate is eternal and therefore not constrained by or controlled by time. He 'speaks today for today.

Unless you have heard and witnessed the Holy Spirit you cannot possibly 'know' the truth'.

It is not a matter of belief, though belief is necessary before one can witness the Holy Spirit, then it ceases to be mere belief and becomes a matter of faith and personal witness.

Having 'seen' the Christ, and having been taught by the Holy Spirit, I am more certain of the existence of God than I am of you. Since I have seen God in Christ and His Spirit, but I have not seen you.

[mogadishu]

I thought you were entering serious dialogue but now realise that like the Da Vinci Hoax it is all a wind-up! You are trying to get me at it and I bit and took the bate.

Either you are on a wind-up or your knowledge of the Bible and biblical events and biblical ontology is seriously lacking. You are mis-placing names in the wrong order, ages, people and events out of context. Your exegesis is wholly incorrect to the point of being farcical. Any self-respecting theologian would die with laughter!

Please intergirl, refrain from your instinct to attack me personally. like i said, these are the views of one laurence gardner, to which i don't necessarily subscribe. so if you must attack someone's exegesis, attack his.

hugs and kisses

[Sugar]

Absolutely, mogadishu cannot be blamed--she only posts the ideas of others. If she ever graces us with an independent thought, then you can criticize her, intergirl.

[WW]

xxintergirlxxy wrote-

Any self-respecting theologian would die with laughter!

the·o·lo·gi·an - n : someone who is learned in theology or who speculates about theology (especially Christian theology)

Or more correctly, one who thinks within very narrow parameters, whose limited boundaries of speculation prevent any concept or comprehension of the true nature of being.


xxintergirlxxy wrote-

It is not a matter of belief, though belief is necessary before one can witness the Holy Spirit, then it ceases to be mere belief and becomes a matter of faith and personal witness.

Faith = Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Or more correctly - The narrow parameters which make impossible true understanding

[WW]

Absolutely, mogadishu cannot be blamed--she only posts the ideas of others. If she ever graces us with an independent thought, then you can criticize her, intergirl.

The ‘tolerance’ of the believer always equates to intolerance.

[mogadishu]

Absolutely, mogadishu cannot be blamed--she only posts the ideas of others. If she ever graces us with an independent thought, then you can criticize her, intergirl.

Bollocks. I'm posting the ideas of someone else on this occasion.

You follow me round. You try to claim I have another username. Now you're trying to swipe at me on a phoney basis. What's your problem?

[WW]

You are all in ‘the Dark’ – you argue as to which is the correct path to follow, yet none of you can see the way

Open your eyes, Forget what you believe and begin anew

Behold the Man!

[mogadishu]

wtf?

[mogadishu]

I thought you were entering serious dialogue but now realise that like the Da Vinci Hoax it is all a wind-up! You are trying to get me at it and I bit and took the bate.

Either you are on a wind-up or your knowledge of the Bible and biblical events and biblical ontology is seriously lacking. You are mis-placing names in the wrong order, ages, people and events out of context. Your exegesis is wholly incorrect to the point of being farcical. Any self-respecting theologian would die with laughter!

intergirl - both sides in this debate clearly think it's the other who has all the knowledge and events wrong. It may make one side feel better about itself to dismiss the position of the other as "farcical", but it doesn't make for interesting conversation. I'm not trying to "get you", although I find your reaction to be unduly defensive.

If you want to engage with the facts, say what you think is wrong and I'll give explanation. If not, it's just boring and dogmatic to say "The Bible and I are right and you're wrong" and leave it at that.

[mogadishu]

The ‘tolerance’ of the believer always equates to intolerance.

that seems to me to be a very concise way of putting it, with all the superciliousness, condescension and wilful ignorance masquerading as charity.

[WW]

If not, it's just boring and dogmatic to say "The Bible and I are right and you're wrong" and leave it at that.

The bible is one of the three false scripts of the Unholy trinity.

Like the other two false scripts it has enslaved untold millions over generations within the gaol of ignorance.

Following the path of the Unholy trinity will always lead to ignorance and superstition.

Forget what you believe and begin anew

[Sugar]

Bollocks. I'm posting the ideas of someone else on this occasion.

*cough*

You follow me round.

:lol: If it pleases you to think so, then go ahead.

You try to claim I have another username.

Yes.

Now you're trying to swipe at me on a phoney basis. What's your problem?

In truth, I don't see my statement as being phoney at all. You, on the other hand, posted an obvious (and rather childish) insult directed at me in your signature. An FF moderator also found it offensive, and he was forced to remove it on multiple occasions...and you accuse me of having a problem?

What's your problem, mogadishu??

[mogadishu]

Sugar -

-you accuse me of never posting independent opinions. (Not true)
-you presumably know that i like to think for myself, because you once went so far as to drag a comment I made in 'just for men' back here and list it, in order to bounce me into justifying my theistical beliefs
-you make out i have another username. Not true. You keep bugging me with the same old tired phoney claim, i keep telling you you are wrong, and still you don't drop it. Do you think I'm MM6?

you did most of the above well before I posted this link click here to visit sugarland. and as you'd done it, i thought you'd appreciate a light-hearted rib in return. He removed it once, he didn't mention anything or indicate that anything was wrong, so i thought it was a computer blip and re-did the signature.

immediately Oroshi pm'd me and said you'd written to him complaining that you found it 'very offensive' I removed it, and said "please pass on my apologies" (for the sake of argument). sorted. no problem. and if you'd pm'd me, i'd have removed it then.

simple

[xxintergirlxxy]

LG, Brown and Co etc and the Da Vinci Hoax are not authorised to interpret either the Sacred Scriptures.

You talk a load of bollicks.

You think as men think not as God thinks.

Jesus said:of Brwon and the likes of him: 'pervert's. He 'will be given up to the power of evil men and they will kill Him but on the third day He will rise from the dead Mat 17:23 'and He will come again in the glory of God with all His angels' Mat 16:27

Brown LG Bullshit Mogadishu etc do not know the sacred scriptures. Nor are they empowered to, or custodians to interpret the Bible. Only the Church that Christ founded are authorised to interpret the Scriptures.

All else is bollicks and bullshit

Mogadishu, you are really 'off the wall' and 'out of your tree'. Whoever has been interpreting for you, they are talking a load of crap as they cannot interpret or know the truth. They are the blind leading the blind.

Dan Brown is a tosser, making a fast buck, there is not a university history dept on the planet that will be citing Brown's new theology.

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself said 'imposters will come and make claims abou the Messiah, but believe them not, for where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather' Mat 24:23

When it comes to the Messianic Kingdom, LG and Brown don't even know what day it is.

The Da Vinci Hoax, that is all it is, just a hoax

[xxintergirlxxy]

WW you are off the wall, there can be no answer to that,

Have you thought about joining LG and the Da Vinci Hoax? You will feel at home I promise you