Rowan Williams says no to the Da Vinci Code

[WW]

WW you are off the wall, there can be no answer to that,

Have you thought about joining LG and the Da Vinci Hoax? You will feel at home I promise you

Off the wall? Because I journey in realms denied by the false scripts?

The Da Vinci Code is a falsehood of many falsehoods. Your ‘argument’ is without meaning.

Turn away from myth and magick

Forget what you believe and begin anew

[xxintergirlxxy]

Sugar,

I perceive in you a strength and depth of spirit. Like an eagle, you soar to the heights of the mountain.

For the sake of the mountain you beare insult and spittle, it is not wasted nor suffering in vain. Your resting place on the mountain is assured.

We rejoice in our view of the mountain, ALWAYS the SAME MOUNTAIN.

Its peak goes beyond the clouds, rising up into eternity.

Of those who look in awe, there is resting place for all and ALL ARE WELCOME for there on the mountain is our home and on the mountain all are reconciled.

Many views and cultures ages of time. But ALWAYS the SAME MOUNTAIN, It never changes, it is only our perception that changes and all perceptions are welcome all views are valid, no one is greater than another all are equal on the Mountain

In the heat of the day, soare like the eagle you are, fly up and rest on the cool of its branches, your resting place on the mountain is assured. You have earned your right to be there

[Sugar]

Sugar -
-you accuse me of never posting independent opinions. (Not true)
-you presumably know that i like to think for myself, because you once went so far as to drag a comment I made in 'just for men' back here and list it, in order to bounce me into justifying my theistical beliefs

I certainly didn't attempt to "bounce" you into doing anything. I was genuinely interested in the seemingly contradictory views:

I find that very interesting, mogadishu. You're a Christian who doesn't believe in God, and I have complete faith in God, but very little respect for religion.

-you make out i have another username. Not true.

No, I asked you in a lighthearted fashion if you had another username:

You have another username in FF, don't you, mogadishu...?

You keep bugging me with the same old tired phoney claim, i keep telling you you are wrong, and still you don't drop it.

You'll certainly have to refresh my memory on this one.

Do you think I'm MM6?

There is a huge number of people who post in here. I never mentioned MM6. You did.

you did most of the above well before I posted this link click here to visit sugarland. and as you'd done it, i thought you'd appreciate a light-hearted rib in return. He removed it once, he didn't mention anything or indicate that anything was wrong, so i thought it was a computer blip and re-did the signature.

immediately Oroshi pm'd me and said you'd written to him complaining that you found it 'very offensive' I removed it, and said "please pass on my apologies" (for the sake of argument). sorted. no problem. and if you'd pm'd me, i'd have removed it then.

simple

No apologies were passed on, and you sent none to me yourself. In fact, you recently indicated in another thread that you still see nothing wrong with your link.

I think you come in here simply to argue with people and get a rise out of them. Admirable pursuit...

[WW]

Sugar,

I perceive in you a strength and depth of spirit. Like an eagle, you soar to the heights of the mountain.

For the sake of the mountain you beare insult and spittle, it is not wasted nor suffering in vain. Your resting place on the mountain is assured.

We rejoice in our view of the mountain, ALWAYS the SAME MOUNTAIN.

Its peak goes beyond the clouds, rising up into eternity.

Of those who look in awe, there is resting place for all and ALL ARE WELCOME for there on the mountain is our home and on the mountain all are reconciled.

Many views and cultures ages of time. But ALWAYS the SAME MOUNTAIN, It never changes, it is only our perception that changes and all perceptions are welcome all views are valid, no one is greater than another all are equal on the Mountain

In the heat of the day, soare like the eagle you are, fly up and rest on the cool of its branches, your resting place on the mountain is assured. You have earned your right to be there

There is no Mountain. You are imprisoned within the gaol of ignorance. If you had the will you could throw open the bars of that prison and walk out into the light. Your will has been sapped by one face of the Unholy trinity.

Forget what you believe and begin anew

[WW]

Sugar wrote-

I have complete faith in God, but very little respect for religion.

It is truly ironic that while you observe a healthy disrespect for religion that you have succumbed to darkness. You have become trapped and cannot see because you will not see.


Forget what you believe and begin anew

[mogadishu]

Mogadishu, you are really 'off the wall' and 'out of your tree'. Whoever has been interpreting for you, they are talking a load of crap as they cannot interpret or know the truth. They are the blind leading the blind.

you're still not showing signs of being able to engage with LG and co. You're just throwing random ad hominem insults around.

[mogadishu]

There is a huge number of people who post in here. I never mentioned MM6. You did.

why do you keep claiming I have a second username when I don't, and who are you suggesting it is?

No apologies were passed on, and you sent none to me yourself. In fact, you recently indicated in another thread that you still see nothing wrong with your link.

There isn't anything wrong with it. But as I said to oroshi, if it offended, pass on my apologies for the sake of argument.

I think you come in here simply to argue with people and get a rise out of them. Admirable pursuit

you seem to think rather a lot of things that aren't actually true.

[xxintergirlxxy]

I need to point out to members of this forum that my brother often post mail under my user name. He finds this very amusing. I do not

He is a self confessed atheist and member of the BNP. He is not a nice man. Like all non-believers, he sees only what he wants to see. He does not have God in his life. Nor is he capable of believing because the 'truth' will always elude people not of good-will.

All that I would ask is that if you see any mail which does not look like mine, then it probably isn't.

May the peace of the God of Hosts be with you now and for always

[RNB]

I read the book and I will see the movie.

I didn't believe it. but if the publishers and hollywood and rake up such a storm then they will sure get a lot of money, thanks to the church.

[Sugar]

Sugar,

I perceive in you a strength and depth of spirit. Like an eagle, you soar to the heights of the mountain.

For the sake of the mountain you beare insult and spittle, it is not wasted nor suffering in vain. Your resting place on the mountain is assured.

What will it be like on the mountain?

[Sugar]

I need to point out to members of this forum that my brother often post mail under my user name. He finds this very amusing. I do not

He is a self confessed atheist and member of the BNP. He is not a nice man. Like all non-believers, he sees only what he wants to see. He does not have God in his life. Nor is he capable of believing because the 'truth' will always elude people not of good-will.

All that I would ask is that if you see any mail which does not look like mine, then it probably isn't.

May the peace of the God of Hosts be with you now and for always

I would suggest you change your password, and your brother should create his own account. Otherwise, things could get pretty confusing around here really fast. Whenever we run into intergirl, we'll be wondering is it or

[tamachant]

hmmm.... it's possible that you could have something completely untrue that would upset people because it was unfair. Some claim that dan Brown is historically inaccurate with a lot of his arguments.

Dan brown did get allot of his facts wrong and dates, timelines ect..he may have done this deliberatelly , he may not have whats time when your working in Centuries anyway.

However there is some things that cannot be denied. 100 years After Jesus "rose from the tomb" there where still villages in france being wipped out by the Kings orders Because there where rumours of a blood line of Jesus, you know good catholic kind of behaviour.

Also there are 5 gosspels that where excluded from the bible... just writtings by proffets, 1 of them is by Mary... but woman are not allowed to preach the world thats just evil.

[pheromoaner]

Why does the churches reactio to this book suprise anyone?
the whole history of the christian church is about getting further and further from the original mystical idea of the mystery.

the catholic church split from the orthodox because easter was too mystical as a concept - it prefered the birth story as its central image (hence mary's elevation.
the protestants split from the catholics because the idea (transubstantiation) that the body of christ actually WAS the body of christ was too spooky to permit - and in doing so seriously curtailed all ritual.

and hey - someone comes along and adds a little bit of mystery and what happens? the church leaps to defend its old arguments - we english speakers live in a society that is largely formed out of fairly fundamentalist protestantism. protestantism has to defend its differences otherwise, hell we might all become zoroastrians and then where would we be? apart from not at odds with jews, muslims, orthodox, catholic, arian (the list is endless) In fact we would live in a world with a monotheistic faith that predated christianity Islam or even judaism - we might get on.

so to quote

The Da Vinci Code is grosely offensive to Christians, thats why people are getting their cassoks in a twist. Were Christians as fanatical a Moslems, there would have been serious troubles.

the DVC is mostly offensive to protestants, followed by catholics. its not too offensive to the orthodox. and it actually supports the Arian, Manichean, Bogomil, Kathar, and Armenian creeds.
Why aren't we familiar with all of these branches of the christian church?
because they were all subject to persecution and genocide by the western church from the beginning - and the adherents are mostly all dead or in small sect that worship in secret.
There were serious troubles. the only difference is that at the time of the persectutions the christian church was about 600 years old and going through a fundamentalist stage equal to the one Islam is in now (at 600 years old too).

[mogadishu]

fascinating pheromonaer... arians... followers of arius? the man whose doctrine was disputed at the Council of Nicea? have heard people attack the dvc on the basis that the council was constructed not to decide whether jesus was human or divine, but to decide if he was substantially identical to God, or only similar. but if he was only similar, he must have had ungodly components, so same diff. imho.

gospel of philip says something like 'christ loved mary more than all the disciples and used to kiss her often on the lips'. have heard anti-dvc's say that he was doing so platonically, but it seems unlikely to me.

[pheromoaner]

gospel of philip says something like 'christ loved mary more than all the disciples and used to kiss her often on the lips'. have heard anti-dvc's say that he was doing so platonically, but it seems unlikely to me.

agree mogadishu.
especially if you consider that abstinance was a tenet that for christianity arose out of monasticism. before then it was mainly directed at temple preistesses of the more obscure mystery cults. something early christianity was trying to distance itself from.
so it would have been laughed at as ridiculous in first century palestine. everyone would have expected even the prophet to go for it.