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Guest wrote:Regarding gym wear has he suggested you wear white lyrca leggings or told you that is what you must wear because of modesty.
I like the idea of anticipating his requirements, I hadn't though of that. That will keep him happy.
When he first gave it to me I nearly had a fit! He was kind of clever though. The bedroom is a special place but getting me into that nightie broke my resistance to dresses and skirts. Frilly pink <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'><A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>nylon</A></A> is yucky, but if it turns him on I guess it’s OK!!!
This sounds weird but when I wore a night dress my bf got me I didn't like the feel of it. It was very very frilly, pinky basically very girly. Do you wear it every time you go to bed know. It is nice to hear that you wear clothes for him.
Getting into housework - how does this connect with things. Was this his suggestion that your contribution should be through domestic chores like cooking and cleaning.
I may be a tomboy but I want a man, babies and a nice home. I’d love to be a Mrs. He’s the boss – he takes me out, he pays (I’m not complaining!), he makes the big decisions and even tells me what to wear! If I keep his place clean, wash his clothes and look after the kitchen then I’ll be making my own contribution – if I look after him in the home he’ll like having me around. You should see his clothes and state of his house – typical man! He really needs a girl to look after him.
I agree in part with what you have just said above, but the bit about he's the boss and being told what to wear is exactly like my bf. How did you come to accept being told what to wear or having your clothes chosen for you? Please, please explain this so I can understand it.
So you are going to put on a frilly apron and spend a weekend at the ironing board and the kitchen sink! Sounds like a good move! Do let me know how it goes! Is this how you see your future or is it a one-off? As a tomboy, how so you feel about housework and how do you feel about skirts? Do you wear them much already?
Guest wrote:Hi “mixed-up !”, you really seem to be getting your head around a lot of this, but I hope I can help with a little more advice from someone (although I suspect a little older) who’s has been in pretty well nothing but skirts and dresses for several years and who’s husband appears to share your boyfriends view on modesty / femininity.
Firstly on the everyday / casual front you are right to go for the fuller / more comfortable skirts and dresses with a slip if you need it and opaque <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> (or something thinner for indoor / summer). There are lots around I don’t know your style but Boden, White Stuff, Next, Laura Ashley, Monsoon etc all have lots. Fuller skirts are more comfortable and as long as they are long enough there is nothing much you can’t do and still stay decent (try protecting your modesty with two small children climbing all over you !). As I said before “Once you get used to it there is no reason why skirts and dresses should not be as practical and comfortable as your old ‘tomboy’ wardrobe.” The great thing is that as you get more used to it you will know what to choose, he will respect your decision and you will feel more in control again.
You sound like you have the work wardrobe sorted, with such a quick change it’s no surprise that you are “aware of my skirt” but in a way that’s the point, to help you feel conscious of your femininity. It also sounds like to have worked out the sports clothing issue, he will love the fact that you have thought it through. My rule is to only wear sports kit for the actual sport and to change into something more comfortable, feminine and (as my husband would say) “proper” as soon as possible afterwards. For example I wear a fairly classic swimsuit (<A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_176' target='_blank'>bikini</A>’s are a ‘no no’ and topless unthinkable !) on the beach to swim / sunbath but put on a simple dress for the beach bar !
Men always buy uncomfortable nightdresses ! They don’t have to wear them ! It sounds like the one you have bought is ideal, he will love it and the fact that you thought of it. Nice simple nightdresses are hard to find, but try Bonsoir, the White Company, the Kimono Company.
The girdle he bought you is very similar to one in the M&S “Traditional Corsetry” range. I have one and a couple of their “firm control” briefs (great for post baby tummy – not your problem – yet) . You don’t really need girdles, lots of people do suspender belts and ‘hold ups’ are lot easier anyway. Like my h you say he likes “plain white underwear” I would take advantage of this. Thongs and push up bras were never exactly comfortable and more modest things are generally more comfortable. I should get some patterned <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> / <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>stockings</A> which he will like and are a bit more fun / less heavy.
The whole modesty thing is interesting, I’m not sure if it is the fact that a skirt tends to make you feel more ‘vulnerable’ or that being more consciously feminine and devoting yourself to one man tends to make you more aware of it, but I have found that I am every more conscious of wanting to make sure I do not show too much. What it does do is make your intimate relationship more exciting which is important in the long term. If that guy was right men prefer you to take the lead in modesty, I bet you will find you do.
Aren’t you moving in this weekend and getting rid of all your old things ? How exciting, good luck let us all know how you get on. Hope that helps from a very happy, traditional wife and mother.
Mixed_up_Miss wrote:Let’s take a look at your relationship. First and most important, you love being with him. Secondly, he is honest and straightforward. Thirdly he wants to look after you. Fourthly he has a good job and a nice house. So you’ve a lot going for you that most other girls would envy!
Being in a relationship means that you have to exchange some of your freedom and independence for all the good things it gives you. If you insist on an absolutely perfect relationship you’ll probably end up on your own! Sadly, real life isn’t a fairy story!
I’m a tomboy at heart just like you. Unfortunately, what I and lots of other women have found is that many men just don’t like girls wearing trousers. Most men like to take charge and most girls enjoy this; we expect the man to take us out and look after us and pay for everything. Maybe then it is a simple courtesy to wear a skirt. Sorry, but to insist on trousers – as I did – would be a little bit rebellious – I think you realise this.
You don’t seem to object in principal to dresses or skirts, but you don’t like him telling you that you HAVE to wear one and you don’t like him telling you to wear <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A>, high heals, frilly <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/' target='_blank'>knickers</A> and frilly nightdresses. This is very natural and normal. Try to see the positive aspects though – if he wanted to parade you in public in a miniskirt I’d be worried, but telling you to keep your legs covered shows that he respects you and is concerned for your modesty. Many men don’t even notice what their girls are wearing – you should regard his interest as a compliment. Keep things in perspective – he only wants you to wear normal girl’s clothes, doesn’t he?
I don’t want you to make the mistakes I did. I messed up several relationships by trying to stay very independent and insisting on wearing trousers. I made a big issue of it with my current boyfriend – this led to him coming down very heavy and bringing in all the rules that I’m now starting to obey.
I have 2 suggestions; first, when he takes you out, start wearing dresses and skirts of your own choice, and don’t make a big thing of it. He’ll be pleased, you’ll feel more in control, and you’ll probably retain more freedom to go on wearing your jeans the rest of the time. If he still wants to control how you dress, simply give in to him and again, don’t make a big thing of it. You WILL be uncomfortable for a while, but you’ll probably get used to it and I bet that after a short while he’ll start to lose interest, and you can start to make your own choices again. This is what I very much hope will happen in my own case.
I do sympathise with your dislike of <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A>, I don’t like them much myself, but once again I want you to get things in perspective. Millions and millions of girls and women all over the world happily and willingly wear <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> every day. I reckon you dislike them so much because of your strong self-image as a “tomboy who doesn’t wear girly <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A>” and because of bad memories of nasty, itchy, saggy school <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A>. Just FORGET all that and remember that they keep your legs warm, they make your legs look pretty and you are pleasing your boyfriend. Ask your boyfriend to buy you some traditional seamed <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>stockings</A> and a good, solid suspender belt or girdle (NOT some flimsy thing from Ann Summers) – I admit tat the garter clips are fiddly and annoying but I think you’ll find the <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>stockings</A> more comfortable than <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A>.
On to your questions!
Do you think your bf will let you wear jeans or do you think you will not be allowed to wear jeans again?
I don’t think he’ll allow me to wear jeans any time soon.
Please explain how you got used to <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> (or do you wear <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>stockings</A>). The first pair I put on I just laddered and then when I wore them they really annoyed me. Does you bf tell you what hosiery to wear or do you chose what to wear with each skirt or dress?
Keep a spare pair handy to change into when you ladder them.
So long as I keep my legs covered he’s not greatly bothered. I’m currently shopping for <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> / <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>stockings</A> that match my various skirts and dresses.
You said you choose your own clothes. Do you go shopping together or do you choose everything? Would he tell you not to wear something if he didn't like it?
To start with he took me out and chose some dresses and skirts for me. I’m now buying a whole lot more – on my own – so I’ll have enough to stop wearing trousers.
He tells me if I wear something he doesn’t like, so I’m trying to choose things he will like (and that I think are OK of course).
What sort of clothes do you wear at the weekend? Do you think that skirts and dresses are too much for housework and cleaning? I can't see why trousers are a problem with cleaning.
I’m currently shopping for some full-skirted, below-the-knee dresses and skirts. They should be practical and comfortable for housework and for wearing around the house at weekends.
Very last question, when you are staying in the house and not planning to go out, do you still wear hosiery or does he let you go bare legged around the house?
Currently he’s being a bit heavy about it, but I wouldn’t go bare-legged in this freezing weather anyway. I’m betting that if I wait he’ll allow it because insisting on <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> in the house doesn’t make sense!
Don’t get me wrong – just like you I wish my boyfriend did like me wearing trousers, but, just like yours, he doesn’t! I really, really sympathise, but I think it may help you to be told, quite firmly and by a fellow tomboy, that wearing dresses, skirts and <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> isn’t the end of the world!
Love,
Karen xxx
Guest wrote:Hi “mixed-up !”, you really seem to be getting your head around a lot of this, but I hope I can help with a little more advice from someone (although I suspect a little older) who’s has been in pretty well nothing but skirts and dresses for several years and who’s husband appears to share your boyfriends view on modesty / femininity.
Firstly on the everyday / casual front you are right to go for the fuller / more comfortable skirts and dresses with a slip if you need it and opaque <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> (or something thinner for indoor / summer). There are lots around I don’t know your style but Boden, White Stuff, Next, Laura Ashley, Monsoon etc all have lots. Fuller skirts are more comfortable and as long as they are long enough there is nothing much you can’t do and still stay decent (try protecting your modesty with two small children climbing all over you !). As I said before “Once you get used to it there is no reason why skirts and dresses should not be as practical and comfortable as your old ‘tomboy’ wardrobe.” The great thing is that as you get more used to it you will know what to choose, he will respect your decision and you will feel more in control again.
You sound like you have the work wardrobe sorted, with such a quick change it’s no surprise that you are “aware of my skirt” but in a way that’s the point, to help you feel conscious of your femininity. It also sounds like to have worked out the sports clothing issue, he will love the fact that you have thought it through. My rule is to only wear sports kit for the actual sport and to change into something more comfortable, feminine and (as my husband would say) “proper” as soon as possible afterwards. For example I wear a fairly classic swimsuit (<A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_176' target='_blank'>bikini</A>’s are a ‘no no’ and topless unthinkable !) on the beach to swim / sunbath but put on a simple dress for the beach bar !
Men always buy uncomfortable nightdresses ! They don’t have to wear them ! It sounds like the one you have bought is ideal, he will love it and the fact that you thought of it. Nice simple nightdresses are hard to find, but try Bonsoir, the White Company, the Kimono Company.
The girdle he bought you is very similar to one in the M&S “Traditional Corsetry” range. I have one and a couple of their “firm control” briefs (great for post baby tummy – not your problem – yet) . You don’t really need girdles, lots of people do suspender belts and ‘hold ups’ are lot easier anyway. Like my h you say he likes “plain white underwear” I would take advantage of this. Thongs and push up bras were never exactly comfortable and more modest things are generally more comfortable. I should get some patterned <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> / <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>stockings</A> which he will like and are a bit more fun / less heavy.
The whole modesty thing is interesting, I’m not sure if it is the fact that a skirt tends to make you feel more ‘vulnerable’ or that being more consciously feminine and devoting yourself to one man tends to make you more aware of it, but I have found that I am every more conscious of wanting to make sure I do not show too much. What it does do is make your intimate relationship more exciting which is important in the long term. If that guy was right men prefer you to take the lead in modesty, I bet you will find you do.
Aren’t you moving in this weekend and getting rid of all your old things ? How exciting, good luck let us all know how you get on. Hope that helps from a very happy, traditional wife and mother.
Guest wrote:Reading this has made me think, are we really such tomboys ? I for one loved skirts and dresses as a child and would often refuse to wear anything else. Then a combination of peer group pressure and rebelliousness in your teens, followed by laziness later on, tends to lead a lot of us into jeans, combats and (for work) the ubiquitous ‘black trousers’. I’m not sure if that makes you a tomboy, but for sure you tend to regard skirts etc as ‘dressy’ uncomfortable and not really practical for everyday life. As a result we spend 95% of our time in trousers and start to act in a far more masculine way.
It seems to me that it takes something like a special boyfriend (or discussion like this) to get you thinking. Certainly what is obvious is that whatever the rather excessive demands of some, loads of women / girls get on perfectly well wearing skirts and dresses (which are, let’s face it, perfectly normal ‘women’s wear’) the whole time and either enjoy it or at least don’t find it a problem. There’s also no doubt that most men like their women to be more feminine and whether or not you want a very traditional relationship with “the one” or just a half decent boyfriend, it can’t do any harm to. We are lucky to have the choice and I suspect (especially from the speed of transition) that you are actually rather enjoying it !
Anyway you have spurred me on, I can’t change overnight (sadly lacking the wardrobe and the necessary sugar daddy) but I have resolved to wear a skirt as much as possible (good excuse for a bit of retail therapy). I started a couple of days ago, which caused a bit of surprise in the office initially, but is already forgotten. I wasn’t planning to end up like a nun, but there’s no doubt that a bit of modesty and “feminine mystery” wouldn’t be a bad thing, so let’s hope I can remember not to sit like a bloke ! Have to admit that <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> are a bit of a surprise when you haven’t worn them all day for years !
Mixed_up_Miss wrote:Guest wrote:Reading this has made me think, are we really such tomboys ? I for one loved skirts and dresses as a child and would often refuse to wear anything else. Then a combination of peer group pressure and rebelliousness in your teens, followed by laziness later on, tends to lead a lot of us into jeans, combats and (for work) the ubiquitous ‘black trousers’. I’m not sure if that makes you a tomboy, but for sure you tend to regard skirts etc as ‘dressy’ uncomfortable and not really practical for everyday life. As a result we spend 95% of our time in trousers and start to act in a far more masculine way.
It seems to me that it takes something like a special boyfriend (or discussion like this) to get you thinking. Certainly what is obvious is that whatever the rather excessive demands of some, loads of women / girls get on perfectly well wearing skirts and dresses (which are, let’s face it, perfectly normal ‘women’s wear’) the whole time and either enjoy it or at least don’t find it a problem. There’s also no doubt that most men like their women to be more feminine and whether or not you want a very traditional relationship with “the one” or just a half decent boyfriend, it can’t do any harm to. We are lucky to have the choice and I suspect (especially from the speed of transition) that you are actually rather enjoying it !
Anyway you have spurred me on, I can’t change overnight (sadly lacking the wardrobe and the necessary sugar daddy) but I have resolved to wear a skirt as much as possible (good excuse for a bit of retail therapy). I started a couple of days ago, which caused a bit of surprise in the office initially, but is already forgotten. I wasn’t planning to end up like a nun, but there’s no doubt that a bit of modesty and “feminine mystery” wouldn’t be a bad thing, so let’s hope I can remember not to sit like a bloke ! Have to admit that <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'><A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A></A> are a bit of a surprise when you haven’t worn them all day for years !
Reading this has made me think, are we really such tomboys? I for one loved skirts and dresses as a child and would often refuse to wear anything else. Then a combination of peer group pressure and rebelliousness in your teens, followed by laziness later on, tends to lead a lot of us into jeans, combats and (for work) the ubiquitous ‘black trousers’. I’m not sure if that makes you a tomboy, but for sure you tend to regard skirts etc as ‘dressy’ uncomfortable and not really practical for everyday life. As a result we spend 95% of our time in trousers and start to act in a far more masculine way.
I recognise a lot of this. I wore frilly dresses as a little girl and I had to wear a skirt uniform right through to A-levels – I didn’t like it but it wasn’t one of the major issues of my teenage years! As you say, rebelliousness and laziness kick in and you start to associate trousers with comfort, convenience, freedom and independence. Skirts and dresses become something other people want you to wear for special occasions – irrelevant to everyday life. I think that wearing trousers all the time does make us behave in a more masculine manner – I always assumed I wore trousers because I wasn’t a girly girl, but I’m starting to wonder if wearing trousers day-in-day-out has actually turned me into a tomboy!
It seems to me that it takes something like a special boyfriend (or discussion like this) to get you thinking. Certainly what is obvious is that whatever the rather excessive demands of some, loads of women / girls get on perfectly well wearing skirts and dresses (which are, let’s face it, perfectly normal ‘women’s wear’) the whole time and either enjoy it or at least don’t find it a problem. There’s also no doubt that most men like their women to be more feminine and whether or not you want a very traditional relationship with “the one” or just a half decent boyfriend, it can’t do any harm to. We are lucky to have the choice and I suspect (especially from the speed of transition) that you are actually rather enjoying it!
I’ve been doing a great deal of re-assessment over recent weeks. We like men to be masculine and of course they want us to be feminine. I made such a fuss about skirts and dresses, but as you say, how could looking feminine and feeling feminine do us any harm? As a resolute trousers-girl for so many years, I’m now experiencing a weird mixture of pleasure and discomfort, excitement and apprehension at the moment.
Anyway you have spurred me on, I can’t change overnight (sadly lacking the wardrobe and the necessary sugar daddy) but I have resolved to wear a skirt as much as possible (good excuse for a bit of retail therapy). I started a couple of days ago, which caused a bit of surprise in the office initially, but is already forgotten. I wasn’t planning to end up like a nun, but there’s no doubt that a bit of modesty and “feminine mystery” wouldn’t be a bad thing, so let’s hope I can remember not to sit like a bloke! Have to admit that <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> are a bit of a surprise when you haven’t worn them all day for years!
I’m amazed that this little discussion I started has ha such a big affect! I’m sure you’ll soon get used to your skirts and <A HREF='http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/catalog/default.php/cPath/23_52' target='_blank'>tights</A> again. What people would think freaked me out a bit but they either say I look nice or don’t even notice! Your comment about “sitting like a bloke” makes me blush to the roots of my hair – that’s exactly the sort of thing you forget when you haven’t worn skirts for years, isn’t it!
Love,
Karen
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