Stretch Marks!!

[Guest]

To the male guest who posted with the unusual stretchmark location,
That sounds serious. No way is that just a cosmetic problem. You need to see a derm about that. Even if you had lasering done it would take a while to see results. Like 6 months. Thats too long to wait. Surely there is something your dermatologist can do for you now. Good Luck, dude.

[Guest]

There has been alot of discussion weather needling works or not. I've read where one dermatologist believes that the reason needling can work to some degree is mostly because of the massaging of the skin not because of the needle piercing the skin. That could also be why Jean Wu's method worked for some. Interesting how the one common thing we're all doing is rubbing the skin...

Shoo

[NatashaRae]

what about tattoos or henna? does that work to cover up stretch marks?

[NatashaRae]

where can I buy a derma roller??

[sk 81]

Natasha I bought my dermaroller from a clinic in Australia called NovaClinic or something... You can also try ebay.

By the way, I'm going shoping today to get a new stretch marks cream, and I was also thinking of getting the Murad program. It includes some kind of supplements and they claim they can improve marks and cellulite in 8 weeks by almost 50%. The bad thing I'd need to spend 99 pounds for a month's program and I was wondering if it is worth it or not?? Here's the link: http://www.muraduk.com/index.php

[johnny9]

i cant help but feel most of you here are missing the point with skin needling. The major benefit is the increased depth at which the creams used can penetrate. I have seen a number of studies on CIT (collagen induction therapy) showing how it increases collagen production dramatically. Having said this, this is not the most beneficial factor. Olny a tiny percentage of creams used actually penetrate the skin at all deep enough to make any effect whatsoever. I cant remember the exact percentage but it was less than 3% that actually penetrates and even that small amount doesnt penetrate deep enough. Skin needling allows for much much greater percentages of absorption. We are constantly hearing that all these creams dont work but it is not that they dont necessarily work, its that they simply cannot penetrate the skin anywhere near deep enough to take effect so these creams are never given a fighting chance. Also, these studies you see with various pictures, i agree that the link posted showing pictures after CIT showed little to no improvement, put this is purely because only needling was performed. There were no creams, peptides, etc, used in conjunction with the therapy and the therapy wasnt performed every single day like we have the ability to do. Also, the pictures shown were a matter of weeks after the therapy. Since CIT (needling) alone takes months to take effect, the study didnt even leave enough time to see any significant results. That study showing CIT means little to nothing for me as the procedure they carried out is completely different to the ones others are doing and that i am going to do. I will not just be needling my skin once, then waiting a couple of weeks to see results like most studies do. I will be needling to a depth of 2mm everday to every other day whilst adding various creams, peptides etc, before, after and during the procedure.

As to bohemus saying to use more proven procedures, what more proof do you need than hearing from people you trust that this method works. And we are talking about stretch marks here --------> there are no proven procedures. No laser comes close to satisfying my needs and the prices are quite simply disgraceful. Some of us on this forum are covered in stretch marks, i myself have them on my shoulders, biceps, triceps, armpits, entire back, entire area of thighs and my arse. Anyone care to work out how much that would cost me for re:repair treatment considering some people are quoted at 4000 for the area of someones face. 20000, 30000, who knows maybe more, im covered in the things. So as far as concentrating on more proven methods -----> not a chance in hell. Even if i did have the money (lol who does have that kind of money) i wouldnt have this treatment done as its simply not worth it for the results you see. Until theres a laser that is cost effective, and for that kind of money cost effective = a complete cure, i will never have laser surgery.

I would love to sit back and consolidate myself in the knowledge that there is a proven stretch mark "CURE" out there but there ISN'T one bohemus. We have nor the time or the money to invest in these ludacrisly expensive treaments or sit back and wait for a cure to come along. We therefore have to find our own.

[sk 81]

Hey johhny, I have a question. How are you going to numb your skin for your needling? I have a 1.5 mm dermaroller but I can only do it once every 2 or 3 weeks as i can't tolerate the pain, even with Emla cream. I'd love to do it every day as I apply my creams, as this would be ideal, but I can't see how I could manage...

[Guest]

Hi All

Just thought I would mention that there was an interesting article regarding pigs bladder (acell) in the national press, I think it was the Mail. Anyway, time will tell if it really is a cure. I hope it is, ok it will come too late for me and many others on here, but for all those teenagers pulling their hair out over stretch marks, just sit back and wait, there is hope.

J

[NatashaRae]

I'm hoping by the time I am 30 there will be a cure. My dream is to wear a tube top or spaghetti strap top for the summer. Sounds like a rather tame dream but it's a BIG one for me.

[NatashaRae]

Natasha I bought my dermaroller from a clinic in Australia called NovaClinic or something... You can also try ebay.

By the way, I'm going shoping today to get a new stretch marks cream, and I was also thinking of getting the Murad program. It includes some kind of supplements and they claim they can improve marks and cellulite in 8 weeks by almost 50%. The bad thing I'd need to spend 99 pounds for a month's program and I was wondering if it is worth it or not?? Here's the link: http://www.muraduk.com/index.php

thanx for the info. I'll be buying one. I'll be using it in conjuction with my retin a cream:) I have one small new stretch mark on my stomach, it'll probably help fade that. I started to panic when I seen it because my stomach is an area I can show off during the summer beause it hasn't been cursed with stretch marks

[Guest]

Hey johhny, I have a question. How are you going to numb your skin for your needling? I have a 1.5 mm dermaroller but I can only do it once every 2 or 3 weeks as i can't tolerate the pain, even with Emla cream. I'd love to do it every day as I apply my creams, as this would be ideal, but I can't see how I could manage...

Hey sk81 my initial plan was just to use the EMLA cream and because i havent had the chance yet to try out needling im unsure how painful its going to be so i dont really have any other plans. I have a pretty high tolerance to pain and so im hoping to just push through and take the pain if it comes to that. As i got my stretch marks through working out im quite used to putting my body through extreme amounts of stress so ill just have to see how it goes and what i can handle.

I did a quick search in google and found this info: http://arthritis.about.com/od/topicalanesthetics/Topical_Anesthetics_Medications_that_Numb_Anesthetize_the_Skin.htm

Also in there it stats that "To be fully effective, EMLA should be applied at least 90 minutes before the procedure". I heard 2 hours is preferably. I dont know if you've been doing this already but it might help if not.

I hope the link helps, sorry i couldnt be of more help.

[Bohemus]

Well Johnny9, only time will show if needling is effective and becomes number one tretment for....who knows what.. It will not hurt you to keep rolling and sprinkling with potions but I suggest you add few drops of common sense.

MD from TN

i cant help but feel most of you here are missing the point with skin needling. The major benefit is the increased depth at which the creams used can penetrate. I have seen a number of studies on CIT (collagen induction therapy) showing how it increases collagen production dramatically. Having said this, this is not the most beneficial factor. Olny a tiny percentage of creams used actually penetrate the skin at all deep enough to make any effect whatsoever. I cant remember the exact percentage but it was less than 3% that actually penetrates and even that small amount doesnt penetrate deep enough. Skin needling allows for much much greater percentages of absorption. We are constantly hearing that all these creams dont work but it is not that they dont necessarily work, its that they simply cannot penetrate the skin anywhere near deep enough to take effect so these creams are never given a fighting chance. Also, these studies you see with various pictures, i agree that the link posted showing pictures after CIT showed little to no improvement, put this is purely because only needling was performed. There were no creams, peptides, etc, used in conjunction with the therapy and the therapy wasnt performed every single day like we have the ability to do. Also, the pictures shown were a matter of weeks after the therapy. Since CIT (needling) alone takes months to take effect, the study didnt even leave enough time to see any significant results. That study showing CIT means little to nothing for me as the procedure they carried out is completely different to the ones others are doing and that i am going to do. I will not just be needling my skin once, then waiting a couple of weeks to see results like most studies do. I will be needling to a depth of 2mm everday to every other day whilst adding various creams, peptides etc, before, after and during the procedure.

As to bohemus saying to use more proven procedures, what more proof do you need than hearing from people you trust that this method works. And we are talking about stretch marks here --------> there are no proven procedures. No laser comes close to satisfying my needs and the prices are quite simply disgraceful. Some of us on this forum are covered in stretch marks, i myself have them on my shoulders, biceps, triceps, armpits, entire back, entire area of thighs and my arse. Anyone care to work out how much that would cost me for re:repair treatment considering some people are quoted at 4000 for the area of someones face. 20000, 30000, who knows maybe more, im covered in the things. So as far as concentrating on more proven methods -----> not a chance in hell. Even if i did have the money (lol who does have that kind of money) i wouldnt have this treatment done as its simply not worth it for the results you see. Until theres a laser that is cost effective, and for that kind of money cost effective = a complete cure, i will never have laser surgery.

I would love to sit back and consolidate myself in the knowledge that there is a proven stretch mark "CURE" out there but there ISN'T one bohemus. We have nor the time or the money to invest in these ludacrisly expensive treaments or sit back and wait for a cure to come along. We therefore have to find our own.

[Guest]

Did you see on the news last week about the finger that grew back using acell. Really freaky. Fingers crossed its the miracle for stretch marks that we crave.

[Guest]

Hey Johnny9,
Obviously you've done quite a bit of research on CIT. Have you priced your creams and derma roller? Where do you plan on buying them? And what creams will you use with it?

Thanks for sharing your info!
Shoo

[Guest]

hey pj
thanks for posting your routine. just one more thing to ask though. everyone talks about all these ingredients but i have not idea where to get them. if it is not too much trouble could you let me know where you get each product you use.

Hi CC,

I have used most of these things before but never put them all together in a routine to target my marks consistently. It wasn't until I found this forum again a little while ago and reread all the posts - particularly from the lady who healed her marks with castor oil in 9 weeks, that I decided to really go for it.

So far I'm getting great results quickly but will add more to the routine if my progress grinds to a halt.

morning
dry skin brushing
skin needling (dermaroller .75mm)
30% buffered glycolic acid (every second day)
skin oil (avocado, calendula, olive, rosehip, arnica and vit e)
emu oil

midday
pure vit e (apply mixed tocopherol capsules)

night
dry skin brushing
castor oil wrap (30 mins alternate days to glycolic)
copper peptide (trireduction with retinol)
emu oil


I also take a good quality multivitamin, extra vit c and zinc and an enzyme supplement called vitalzym which digests damaged collagen when taken on an empty stomach.