Stretch Marks!!

[sk 81]

To the Guest above: does your 0.75 mm hurt much when you use it everyday? I have the 1.5 mm one but I can only use every couple of weeks as I said. I'd like to order one for every day use to apply with my creams, too.

[Guest]

Well Johnny9, only time will show if needling is effective and becomes number one tretment for....who knows what.. It will not hurt you to keep rolling and sprinkling with potions but I suggest you add few drops of common sense.

MD from TN

Bohemus could you try and be a little more patronising next time. I find you extremely naive and arrogant and you continue to fail to understand the situation some of us are in here. If by common sense you mean go and blow disproportionate amounts of money at machines which dont deliver i believe you've been going to the wrong type of medical congresses my friend.

There are no cures. For this reason we have to do our own research and experiment. I found your last comment to johnny9 extremeley rude. What do you suggest we do? I did my first needling procedure 2 days ago using 1.5mm roller and i believe i have seen improvement from just this one treatment. Your comment about "common sense" is extremely patronising to all those on this forum performing needling. I would like you to share with us all on here what you think we should do, since were all so incompetent with our suggestions.

[Tracy212]

In my opinion (and it's just that.....an opinion), I believe the reason you are seeing results in just one needling treatment is because you are not giving the skin time to heal. You are inflaming the skin which masks the stretch marks, so it looks like there is improvement. Once you let the skin normalize, that's when you can tell if it's really done anything or not. This goes for those doing peels and filing. Of course it looks like progress at first because the area is inflamed and red, masking the stetch marks. Once the skin is given time to heal from the treatment (several weeks, not days), often times the stretch marks are still there (often times, not always!).

I went through this when I tried microdermabrasion. At first, it looked like some progress, but then when the skin was given the appropriate amount of time to heal, my stretch marks were no better off than before the treatment.

This is not to say that needling doesn't work. I happen to believe that it probably does with prolonged use. I just don't believe you can make an assessment after just one treatment before the skin has had time to heal.

Again, just my opinion.....

Tracy

[Guest]

alright i will try posting this again. to those of you with a medical background. preferably kojiro, if he is still around. What are the collagen producing mechanisms of laser? why does it take 6 months to work (this is going on the premise that they work, period) does it just take a long time to produce collagen? For that matter, what about carboxy therapy? Is the collagen it is supposed to produce just a long time in coming?

To the last person that posted. I hate to tell you this, but as someone who has tried needling, EXTENSIVELY. it does look better the first couple days out . maybe even up to a week. But I never saw any permanent, viable results with needling. are you applying creams that would maybe change the result?

[ace243]

whats the difference between buffered glycolic & non buffered glycolic?

and where can you buy it? i found it on amazon but its not in stock.

[Guest]

alright i will try posting this again. to those of you with a medical background. preferably kojiro, if he is still around. What are the collagen producing mechanisms of laser? why does it take 6 months to work (this is going on the premise that they work, period) does it just take a long time to produce collagen? For that matter, what about carboxy therapy? Is the collagen it is supposed to produce just a long time in coming?

To the last person that posted. I hate to tell you this, but as someone who has tried needling, EXTENSIVELY. it does look better the first couple days out . maybe even up to a week. But I never saw any permanent, viable results with needling. are you applying creams that would maybe change the result?

Hey there, i am not determining the success of needling after one treatment but on the 100's of anecdotes i have read saying that it gave them great results. The statement i made about my first treatment was purely to give people an idea of what i was doing, what needle legth etc.

As to your question if you read a post made by johnny9 a page back i think about the use of needling in conjunction with creams, peptides etc you will get an idea of the benefits of needling. I did use creams and peptides on my needling procedure.

Since you asked the question im guessing that you didnt use anything in combination with the needling. This is why i believe you did not experience any results. Also needling alone (CIT) is supposed to increase collagen production, hence the name collagen induction therapy. This, as with lasers, takes months to notice any visible effects, not weeks. So if you are solely needling. You are not going to see results for a while, and personally i dont believe the results you see from only needling will be that impressive at all. Without a shadow of a doubt the greatest benefit of needling is the ability it gives us to fully penetrate the skin with various nutrients deep enough into the dermis for them to take effect. The usage of needling alone i believe is a very limiting procedure.

[marta]

the principle of fraxel lasers and needling is very similar. fraxel basically burns tiny holes into your skin. you can see it very nicely here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHvRZ-LPhW8&feature=related
if the link does not work then
type -Fraxel Re:pair CO2 laser Tissue Contraction- in You Tube.

fraxel lasers vary in diameters of spot size, the depth of penetration, density of holes per square cm etc
DEEP FX .12 mm spot size; you can change spot size with Active FX to 1.2 mm.
ablation depth > 700um /0,7mm/

needling also makes tiny holes in your skin and the rollers vary in diameter of needles and the depth of penetration.

they both make little injuries to your skin and those will be filled with new skin.

the advantage of a hole made by laser might be that it is done by heat and the heat itself promotes the creation of new collagen and skin tightening.

i would definitely try LONG term needling before spending thousands of dollars for laser.

[Guest]

Thats the good thing about this board, there are lots of ideas and opinions. Personally I think there are lots of different ways to remove stretch marks, but my own preference is using acid, mainly because it is cheap(ish) and pain free because I dilute it so much. To the people saying that you need to rest the skin, this is true, I have taken over a week off of doing anything and do not plan to do anything for at least another week. I have seen even better improvements since resting my skin. Look there is no definitive cure, but there are lots of ways, over time, of removing these marks. Persistance is what is important. I suspect that a few of us will remove our marks using completely different methods.

J

[Guest]

I did long term needling. I saw no results. If I was at a disadvantage because I did not apply either retin-a or copper-peptides afterwards thats one thing. As for the idea that laser works because it burns little holes in the skin that have to be replaced with new skin... then i will skip it, because I poked MORE than enough holes in my skin with needling. over and over and OVER again. NOTHING.
as for applying creams post needling. i believe the idea is that the creams are allowed to penetrate deeper because there are now holes in the skin for them to do so. this sounds quite logical and maybe i will even give it a try. and i know this sounds a little fanatical but if the idea is that the creams have to penetrate why not inject them into the stretch marks? it seems drastic but if your intention in needling is just allowing the creams to penetrate deeper then why not?

[Guest]

Im only new here but where do you buy the 30% buffered glycolic acid? or should i get the TCA??? I looked _ and it is expensive.

[cr]

[b]Im only new here but where do you buy the 30% buffered glycolic acid? or should i get the TCA??? I looked _ and it is expensive. [/b]

Hello,
I would suggest starting with a glycolic acid peel first in order to build your skin's resistance and then later, if you so choose, doing a TCA peel. I started with a 30% glycolic acid and after a couple of months worked up to a 70% glycolic acid peel. I first bought my peels from Platinum Skincare, but becasue of the long duration that I have been using them and price from this particular company, I have been buying from ebay lately. I make sure to get the Cosmetic Grade peels and have had good results. Also, I have found that using a fan brush, a make-up brush shaped like a little fan, is the most effective way to apply the peels. I use a neutralizer afterwards, baking soda mixed with water into a toothpaste consistancy and left on for about a minute. Okay, usually, I do not have the patience for this and leave it on for 30 seconds. Some people skip this step all together, but this is suggested. All the best, CR

[daisypopp]

Hi all, I'm new here. I've been reading the boards for a while, trying my best to follow what's going on though it's got a little confusing keeping track of everything! The products that have intrigued me the most from what I've read are Active FX and this Acell stuff.

J, what makes you say Acell is too late for you? I didn't quite understand that. I'm 18, is it too late for me too? If I've followed the information that's been posted about it on here correctly, can't anyone use it?

[ted256]

I have read quite a few of your posts about unsightly stretch marks. I have them all down my upper arms. In the Winter fine I can cope cause obviously wearing long sleeves, now the Summer is coming I get so so depressed that everything I wear has to have sleeves or if I wear a strappy top I wear a little cardigan..trust me in the middle of summer and it sweltering it's not ideal. I have had them for years when I was younger I was always overweight and then loss a massive amount of weight. I have tried everything..well almost I came _ today and just put in Google SM removal and then i saw this site and read through a few posts and thought maybe Tri-lastin-SR may work for me but I do not know where to get it from and how much it is. I am going on holiday in October and i would love to wear my swim suit with out feeling self consience I am going with a friend who has never seen my arms and I am so worried she will be gob smacked when she sees them and I have met a new fella and as much as he says he likes me for me I am dreading when he has to see my arms. Sorry for the rant. So if someone can tell me where to buy this cream from it would be well appreciated. Thanks alot xx

[Guest]

I have read quite a few of your posts about unsightly stretch marks. I have them all down my upper arms. In the Winter fine I can cope cause obviously wearing long sleeves, now the Summer is coming I get so so depressed that everything I wear has to have sleeves or if I wear a strappy top I wear a little cardigan..trust me in the middle of summer and it sweltering it's not ideal. I have had them for years when I was younger I was always overweight and then loss a massive amount of weight. I have tried everything..well almost I came _ today and just put in Google SM removal and then i saw this site and read through a few posts and thought maybe Tri-lastin-SR may work for me but I do not know where to get it from and how much it is. I am going on holiday in October and i would love to wear my swim suit with out feeling self consience I am going with a friend who has never seen my arms and I am so worried she will be gob smacked when she sees them and I have met a new fella and as much as he says he likes me for me I am dreading when he has to see my arms. Sorry for the rant. So if someone can tell me where to buy this cream from it would be well appreciated. Thanks alot xx

I think removing them by October is unlikely, BUT, I think you can remove them, though it might take you about a year. Read through the posts carefully, make notes on the various routines people are using then start one and adjust it as necessary until you find one that works for you. Once you have one that works for you, stick to it, persistently, taking breaks to allow your skin to recover, then restarting again. By next year you will probably be rid of them, or at least have reduced them so much that you can live with them. Incorporating acid to whatever routine is probably a good idea, unless you decide on laser treatment as a route. If you do decide to use acid though, make sure it is very very diluted, so that it does not sting your skin. That way you can leave it on until the next day.

J

[Guest]

Hi all, I'm new here. I've been reading the boards for a while, trying my best to follow what's going on though it's got a little confusing keeping track of everything! The products that have intrigued me the most from what I've read are Active FX and this Acell stuff.

J, what makes you say Acell is too late for you? I didn't quite understand that. I'm 18, is it too late for me too? If I've followed the information that's been posted about it on here correctly, can't anyone use it?

It's likely to be a few years before acell is going to be widely available, I am approaching 40, so I really do not have the time to wait for it. At 18 you have bags of time. Adopt a gentle routine for your skin now, and take vitamins, just to help stop more developing in the meantime. It may be acell is a hoax, but I personally do not think it is, I think it is going to be the cure for stretch marks, though indirectly, because that is not the market they are aiming it at.

J