The Anti-Terrorism Coalition (ATC) to turn 6

[DanMc]

The 6th anniversary of the ATC is obviously an occasion to celebrate, so I've written you a song:

Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
You're all f*cking morons
Happy Birthday to you

In case you haven't notice, grown-up talk is going on at this moment in this thread. Try looking for a forum that is specifically dedicated to morons who will never grow up. You will find more people like you there, you will feel more comfortable with them around.

Found one Davros.

http://atcoalition.com/

[The Colonel]

Peodophilla in the bible -

Numbers 31: 18

"But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Slavery in the bible -

Exodus 20: 17

You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant.

Leviticus 25: 44-46

Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace.

Deuteronomy 20:10-11

If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you.

(N.B. If they don't surrender, you kill all the men, r**** all the women and take all the children as slaves).

Exodus 21:20-21

And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Slowly beating your slaves to death

Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

1 Peter 2:18

You household servants must submit yourselves to your masters out of respect, not only to those who are kind and fair, but also to those who are unjust.

Ephesians 6: 5-6

Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Luke 12:47

And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Killing children in the bible -

Exodus 21:15, 17

And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

A rough total of 2,270,971 (not including, at least in some cases, women and children) are killed in the bible.

Lot's wife for looking back 1
Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" 1
Onan for spilling his seed 1
Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) 601+
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf 3000
Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord 2
A blasphemer 1
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath 1
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) 12+
Burned to death for offering incense 250
For complaining 14,700
For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" 24,000
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) 90,000+
God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. 5+
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). 12,000
Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees 5
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites 10,000
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly 1
God delivered Moabites 10,000
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. 120,000
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson 30
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson 1000
Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism 3000
"The Lord smote Benjamin" 25,100
More Benjamites 25,000
For looking into the ark of the Lord 50,070
God delivered Philistines 20
Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1
"The Lord smote Nabal." 1
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 1
David and Bathsheba's baby boy 1
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 7
From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 70,000+
A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 100,000
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 27,000
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 1
Burned to death by God 102
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 42
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 1
Jezebel 1
God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 3+
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 185,000
Saul 1
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 500,000
Jeroboam 1
"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 1,000,000
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 1
Ezekiel's wife 1
Ananias and Sapphira 2
Herod 1

This is just a tiny fraction of the evil "morality" they believe.

Have a look Fred - does it make you feel good?

[Colonel Angus]

This is just a tiny fraction of the evil "morality" they believe.

Have a look Fred - does it make you feel good?

Let's look long and hard at what atheists reject first...

Jeremiah 1:5; "Before I formed thee in the womb I knew thee"

[The Colonel]

This is just a tiny fraction of the evil "morality" they believe.

Have a look Fred - does it make you feel good?

Let's look long and hard at what atheists reject first...

Jeremiah 1:5; "Before I formed thee in the womb I knew thee"

Are you happy your god is a pedophile, an advocate of slavery, an adovate of child slaughter, a child murderer and a genocidal maniac? (To name but a few of his evils?)

These are YOUR beliefs. YOU subscribe to them. YOU worship and follow THIS.

You think this is MORALITY? You think THIS is what children should be TAUGHT? You think this is what you should get down on your knees and WORSHIP?

If you really do, you are delusioned, sick, vile, hateful, pedophile.

If you don't, you are a good, thinking, moral atheist.

WHICH IS IT TO BE?

[Colonel Angus]

This is just a tiny fraction of the evil "morality" they believe.

Have a look Fred - does it make you feel good?

Let's look long and hard at what atheists reject first...

Jeremiah 1:5; "Before I formed thee in the womb I knew thee"

Are you happy your god is a pedophile, an advocate of slavery, an adovate of child slaughter, a child murderer and a genocidal maniac? (To name but a few of his evils?)

These are YOUR beliefs. YOU subscribe to them. YOU worship and follow THIS.

You think this is MORALITY? You think THIS is what children should be TAUGHT? You think this is what you should get down on your knees and WORSHIP?

If you really do, you are delusioned, sick, vile, hateful, pedophile.

If you don't, you are a good, thinking, moral atheist.

WHICH IS IT TO BE?

You're "party" or whatever you want to call them... are pro abortion because there is no God.
That's not my party line.

[Stalfos]

Hmmmm, this is a good post. Where are all the Christians to rely to this? Damn, I'm not a Christian and I have to do their job! ROFL!

Peodophilla in the bible -

Numbers 31: 18

"But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Here's a bit more from Numbers 31:

16: "Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD."

17: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him."

18: "But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

I don't see where ***p*** is endorsed.

First of all, Numbers is the fourth book of the Bible. Numbers only documents history of what happened at Sinai and the Jordan River. It is by no means lying out the rules Christians or Jews have to follow.

Slavery in the bible -

Exodus 20: 17

You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant.

Here's the full verse: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

I don't see how this verse is endorsing slavery. It only says that you may not covet your neighbor's house, wife, etc.

Leviticus 25: 44-46
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace.

Hmmmm, let's do this verse by verse, starting with verse 44.

It says that you shall have both your bondmen and bondmaids. Bondmen and bondmaid are different names for slaves. It doesn't mean anything else, let that be clear. However, let's go a few verses back:

38: "I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God."

39: "And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:"

40: "But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile."

41: "And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return."

42: "For they are my servants, which I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: they shall not be sold as bondmen."

43: "Thou shalt not rule over him with rigour; but shalt fear thy God."

Leviticus talks about Egypt stuff. God is talking about Israelis, not about Jews or Christians, but specifically those who came out of Israel. More specifically, God says that such an Israeli may have a slave, which shall be a "heathen" (someone who doesn't believe in this God).

Next verse you mention is 45 and 46.

44: "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids."

45: "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession."

46: "And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."

Again, it talks about the same thing.

Leviticus is the third book of the Bible. it's about Priestly Code and again, about some history stuff.

Don't worry, I will get to that later on.

Deuteronomy 20:10-11

If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you.

(N.B. If they don't surrender, you kill all the men, r**** all the women and take all the children as slaves).

Deuteronomy, fifth book of the bible and again, it's about history stuff and there is also some stuff.

10: "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it."

11: "And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. "

Exodus 21:20-21

Okay, I'm going skip this part because you are now using Exodus, which is also about history (not all of it, I will get back to this later on).

1 Peter 2:18
You household servants must submit yourselves to your masters out of respect, not only to those who are kind and fair, but also to those who are unjust.

18: "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward."

That's what a "servant" is all about, ROFL.

I'm not sure who these "servants" and why they have to serve.

I think that you can definitely consider 1 Peter to be NOT about history. Speaking of which, you should have checked the previous verse:

17: "Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king."

Ephesians 6: 5-6

Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Luke 12:47

And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Again, I have no idea who these "servants" are.


The Bible is a collection of 27 books. So what's important to know if you want to attack Christianity (keep in mind, I'm not a Christian), if that you will have to attack Jesus and the least oldest material of the Bible. What Jesus has said overrides what any other prophet of Christianity has said. Like most other religions, Christianity contradicts itself. A large portion of Christianity documents historical events, how God dealt with them and so on.

It's in the latter stages of Christianity that whatever Christianity teaches that becomes what Christianity is about and to which rules Christians must stick.

In Exodus 20, the Ten Commandments appear, which is what ever Christian should stick to.

12: "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee."

13: "Thou shalt not kill."

14: "Thou shalt not commit adultery."

15: "Thou shalt not steal."

With that said, that only leaves the question of slavery and Christianity. The Ten Commandments do not say anything about slavery. So is there anything in Christianity that forbids slavery?

Slavery in Bible times is different from the slavery that followed after the establishment of Islam, which was all about racial slavery. God doesn't like racial slavery. Just take a look at what he did with Egypt when they enslaved Hebrews. They enslaved Hebrews because of their race. So God kicked their asses. However, slavery in bible times was actually more like wage slavery today. Today you have no choice but to work for someone else. You are essentially a wage slave. That's about the kind of slavery that existed back then.

In addition to the Ten Commandments in Exodus, Exodus 21 says the following:

16: "And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death."

Now check out 1 Timothy:

10: "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"


So, I don't see anything or much wrong with Christianity. Once again, I'm not a Christian. In fact, I reject the monotheist concept of God. For a very long time I have fought all religions, but I have noticed that many of my morals and values are also shared by religious people. I have studied religion for quite a while (not Christianity) and I don't approve any religion to be 100% correct or anything like that. If a religion explicitly says that murder, slavery, r****, whatever retarded is okay (like Islam does), then I will definitely be against that religion. In case of Christianity, I don't see anything serious going on. Islam is the opposite. It starts out peaceful, but then it turns Satanic.

Without religion, sheep are easier to corrupt. we can see that is all leftist countries. Without religion, the state will try to make itself the religion of the people (i.e. Juche in North Korea). So you and I may not be bound to any religion, but unfortunately, it is a necessity. When people put God above everything, the state will not be able to brainwash them with leftism and collectivism. It's better people put God above them than Obama or whatever state or other person.

Great post Colonol. It was challenging.

I will say that I'm disappointed by the Christians in this forum. Replying to Colonol's post is YOUR job, not mine. You should have taken this opportunity to teach Colonel how he is wrong and if he is not wrong, then you should come to terms with the facts. I'm not sure if you can be considered Christians.

[mogadishu]

16: "Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD."

17: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him."

18: "But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

I don't see where ***p*** is endorsed.

Impliedly so. Verse 18 says spare the lived of prepubescent virgin girls. Only one reason the speaker intends to keep them alive IMO, and not a remotely respectable one.

Poor Colonel, suffers from sand in his asshole as well.

One thing I don't understand Stalfos.... You contrast leftism, which you see as denying individual rights, against the rightism you approve of. Yet the symbol here appears to deny individual rights, in this case of lesbians.

Isn't this a contradiction?

In America you have the right to free speech.
But you do not have the right to yell fire in a movie theater.

Just as everyone has a right to do the deviant act does not mean you have the right to force it on the rest of society when id does society no good.

Well, leaving aside your depiction of homosexuality as 'deviant', how does, say, two men holding hands in public constitute "force" against the rest of society? Who does this actually hurt? There's good evidence, egs, that violent video games desensitise children to real life violence (although this still can't be said to be forced on them if they freely play). How does two people of the same sex consensually showing affection in public harm anyone?

[Colonel Angus]

Well, leaving aside your depiction of homosexuality as 'deviant', how does, say, two men holding hands in public constitute "force" against the rest of society? Who does this actually hurt? There's good evidence, egs, that violent video games desensitise children to real life violence (although this still can't be said to be forced on them if they freely play). How does two people of the same sex consensually showing affection in public harm anyone?

Easy. It desensitizes them from being and acting like Men and does more to emasculate them.

[franfran]

This is just a tiny fraction of the evil "morality" they believe.

Have a look Fred - does it make you feel good?

Let's look long and hard at what atheists reject first...

Jeremiah 1:5; "Before I formed thee in the womb I knew thee"

Are you happy your god is a pedophile, an advocate of slavery, an adovate of child slaughter, a child murderer and a genocidal maniac? (To name but a few of his evils?)

These are YOUR beliefs. YOU subscribe to them. YOU worship and follow THIS.

You think this is MORALITY? You think THIS is what children should be TAUGHT? You think this is what you should get down on your knees and WORSHIP?

If you really do, you are delusioned, sick, vile, hateful, pedophile.

If you don't, you are a good, thinking, moral atheist.

WHICH IS IT TO BE?

Colonel, we've had this argument before. It feels like I'm discussing socialism with Fred, but here goes again.

Old Testament Law was written for the nation of Israel and not for Christians. There is much in the Old Testament that is of interest and relevance to Christians, but not all of it. What of the laws setting out the sacrificial system the Israelites? What of the laws setting out the food and clothing rules for the Israelites? And you conveniently ignore the context in which it was written. Society was very different then and actions that were appropriate then are not appropriate now.

There are inconsistencies between the Old and the New Testaments, mainly in relation to the "eye for an eye" attitude of the Old Testament and the "love your neighbour attitude of the New Testament. Christians follow the New Testament. But I don't really need to tell you this, you know it - you just choose to ignore it, as to do so suits your purpose. You also continue to take verses out of context to make them appear to say things that they don't (Numbers and Exodus seem to be your favourites for this).

Ephesians 2:10-19 says something of the contrast between the Old and the New Testaments:

We are God's work of art, created in Christ Jesus for the good works which God has already designated to make up our way of life. Do not forget, then, that there was a time when you who were gentiles by physical descent, termed the uncircumcised by those who speak of themselves as the circumcised by reason of a physical operation, do not forget, I say, that you were at that time separate from Christ and excluded from membership of Israel, aliens with no part in the covenants of the Promise, limited to this world, without hope and without God. But now in Christ Jesus, you that used to be so far off have been brought close, by the blood of Christ. For he is the peace between us, and has made the two into one entity and broken down the barrier which used to keep them apart, by destroying in his own person the hostility, that is, the Law of commandments with its decrees. His purpose in this was, by restoring peace, to create a single New Man out of the two of them, and through the cross, to reconcile them both to God in one Body; in his own person he killed the hostility. He came to bring the good news of peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. Through him, then, we both in the one Spirit have free access to the Father. So you are no longer aliens or foreign visitors; you are fellow-citizens with the holy people of God and part of God's household.

And as for what Christians believe, we have Matthew 22:37-40, which hardly condones violence, let alone killing and prostitution:

Jesus said to him, 'You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second resembles it: You must love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments hang the whole Law, and the Prophets too.'

Which is not to say that none of the Old Testament is relevant to Christians - far from it - as can be seen from James 2:8-17:

Well, the right thing to do is to keep the supreme Law of scripture: you will love your neighbour as yourself; but as soon as you make class distinctions, you are committing sin and under condemnation for breaking the Law. You see, anyone who keeps the whole of the Law but trips up on a single point, is still guilty of breaking it all. He who said, 'You must not commit adultery' said also, 'You must not kill.' Now if you commit murder, you need not commit adultery as well to become a breaker of the Law. Talk and behave like people who are going to be judged by the law of freedom. Whoever acts without mercy will be judged without mercy but mercy can afford to laugh at judgement. How does it help, my brothers, when someone who has never done a single good act claims to have faith? Will that faith bring salvation? If one of the brothers or one of the sisters is in need of clothes and has not enough food to live on, and one of you says to them, 'I wish you well; keep yourself warm and eat plenty,' without giving them these bare necessities of life, then what good is that? In the same way faith, if good deeds do not go with it, is quite dead.

The New Testament and Christianity are not about hate and killing, they are about brotherly love and charity, ad other similar concepts, as can be seen from I John 7-12:

My dear friends, let us love one another, since love is from God and everyone who loves is a child of God and knows God. Whoever fails to love does not know God, because God is love. This is the revelation of God's love for us, that God sent his only Son into the world that we might have life through him. Love consists in this: it is not we who loved God, but God loved us and sent his Son to expiate our sins. My dear friends, if God loved us so much, we too should love one another. No one has ever seen God, but as long as we love one another God remains in us and his love comes to its perfection in us.

[mogadishu]

Well, leaving aside your depiction of homosexuality as 'deviant', how does, say, two men holding hands in public constitute "force" against the rest of society? Who does this actually hurt? There's good evidence, egs, that violent video games desensitise children to real life violence (although this still can't be said to be forced on them if they freely play). How does two people of the same sex consensually showing affection in public harm anyone?

Easy. It desensitizes them from being and acting like Men and does more to emasculate them.

How was Ronnie Kray "emasculated"?

[The Colonel]

Fred and Davros fell into the trap as expected.

Everyone has stated how the passages I pointed out are worthless. That's great.

Then I suggest you all cease condemning homosexuality for that is within those worthless passages too.

Simple isn't it.

[The Colonel]

Well, leaving aside your depiction of homosexuality as 'deviant', how does, say, two men holding hands in public constitute "force" against the rest of society? Who does this actually hurt? There's good evidence, egs, that violent video games desensitise children to real life violence (although this still can't be said to be forced on them if they freely play). How does two people of the same sex consensually showing affection in public harm anyone?

Easy. It desensitizes them from being and acting like Men and does more to emasculate them.

Whereas christianity has desensitised your brain.

[The Colonel]

16: "Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD."

17: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him."

18: "But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

I don't see where ***p*** is endorsed.

Impliedly so. Verse 18 says spare the lived of prepubescent virgin girls. Only one reason the speaker intends to keep them alive IMO, and not a remotely respectable one.

Poor Colonel, suffers from sand in his asshole as well.

One thing I don't understand Stalfos.... You contrast leftism, which you see as denying individual rights, against the rightism you approve of. Yet the symbol here appears to deny individual rights, in this case of lesbians.

Isn't this a contradiction?

In America you have the right to free speech.
But you do not have the right to yell fire in a movie theater.

Just as everyone has a right to do the deviant act does not mean you have the right to force it on the rest of society when id does society no good.

Well, leaving aside your depiction of homosexuality as 'deviant', how does, say, two men holding hands in public constitute "force" against the rest of society? Who does this actually hurt? There's good evidence, egs, that violent video games desensitise children to real life violence (although this still can't be said to be forced on them if they freely play). How does two people of the same sex consensually showing affection in public harm anyone?

Christianity is forced (in your society) on others when it does no good Fred.

[Colonel Angus]

Well, leaving aside your depiction of homosexuality as 'deviant', how does, say, two men holding hands in public constitute "force" against the rest of society? Who does this actually hurt? There's good evidence, egs, that violent video games desensitise children to real life violence (although this still can't be said to be forced on them if they freely play). How does two people of the same sex consensually showing affection in public harm anyone?

Easy. It desensitizes them from being and acting like Men and does more to emasculate them.

How was Ronnie Kray "emasculated"?

Show us a picture of him down on his knees sucking off another man and I will show you.

[mogadishu]

Well, leaving aside your depiction of homosexuality as 'deviant', how does, say, two men holding hands in public constitute "force" against the rest of society? Who does this actually hurt? There's good evidence, egs, that violent video games desensitise children to real life violence (although this still can't be said to be forced on them if they freely play). How does two people of the same sex consensually showing affection in public harm anyone?

Easy. It desensitizes them from being and acting like Men and does more to emasculate them.

How was Ronnie Kray "emasculated"?

Show us a picture of him down on his knees sucking off another man and I will show you.

There aren't any. There is, however, a vast amount of evidence to suggest he was London's hardest gangster in the C20.