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Postby Cambridge on Tue May 13, 2008 1:56 am

Medicaid covers about 55 million people, not a "very parochial" number at all.


And that is not full coverage. Even so, it is approximately 18% of Americans. Not a proud number.

If someone cannot afford to own a home, that person can rent; taxpayers who rent should not have to pay the mortgages of people who cannot afford to own.


And if someone cannot afford medical insurance…what, pound sand?

Chevron is a publicly traded corporation owned by its shareholders.


I'm beginning to think we should change that.

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Postby myron myron on Tue May 13, 2008 2:00 am

Medicare covers about 45 million elderly Americans.

Together, Medicaid and Medicare cover about one-third of the U.S. population.

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Postby Cambridge on Tue May 13, 2008 2:06 am

myron myron wrote:Medicare covers about 45 million elderly Americans.

Together, Medicaid and Medicare cover about one-third of the U.S. population.


Medicare is a different story. We were talking about Medicaid. :roll:

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Postby myron myron on Tue May 13, 2008 4:01 am

Cambridge wrote:
myron myron wrote:Medicare covers about 45 million elderly Americans.

Together, Medicaid and Medicare cover about one-third of the U.S. population.

Medicare is a different story. We were talking about Medicaid. :roll:

Medicare and Medicaid may cover different classes of people, but they are both government programs that pay for medical care for a combined total of one-third of the U.S. population.

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Postby Cambridge on Tue May 13, 2008 4:22 am

Two points. Medicare covers seniors, currently the most populous of age groups. So that's a matter of fortuitous statistics.

And if only one-third of the population is covered, what is happening with the other two-thirds? I think you just made Colonel’s point.

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Postby myron myron on Tue May 13, 2008 4:58 am

Cambridge wrote:Two points. Medicare covers seniors, currently the most populous of age groups. So that's a matter of fortuitous statistics.

And if only one-third of the population is covered, what is happening with the other two-thirds? I think you just made Colonel’s point.

The U.S. does not have nationalized medicine.

Almost 60% of all Americans are covered under private health insurance.

About 33% of Americans (roughly 100 million) are covered under Medicaid or Medicare.

The remaining 7% or so of Americans without health insurance or Medicaid/Medicare are undoubtedly a problem, but they can still obtain medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.

The Colonel's so-called "point" that American children without medical insurance are routinely denied medical treatment and "left to die," is patently false.

Figures cited by politically biased media on the number of Americans without health insurance dishonestly count as "uninsured" people covered by Medicaid and sometimes even people covered by Medicare.

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Postby The Colonel on Tue May 13, 2008 2:19 pm

The NHS, despite it's many faults, still covers every subject of the Crown without bias or discrimination.

May I suggest you scrap a large proportion of your unnecessary carriers and nukes in order to make sure that 7% of the population - 21 MILLION PEOPLE - DO have access to health care?

And further, to ensure that those poor enough don't have stupid barriers put in place of them to access what you claim "is covered"?

The US Government has its priorities all wrong.

One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.
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Postby myron myron on Tue May 13, 2008 2:51 pm

The Colonel wrote:One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.

That is fanciful speculation.

That boy could have died in Britain waiting on the NHS queue for a life-saving procedure unless, of course, his family had sufficient money to retain those same NHS doctors privately.

And if that boy survived the NHS queue and the procedure was successful, he could have died in a NHS hospital from MRSA.

There are many deaths under your system, so don't throw stones when your house is glass.

And the 7% of Americans without medical insurance who are not covered by Medicaid/Medicare, still have access to medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.

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Postby The Colonel on Tue May 13, 2008 7:02 pm

myron myron wrote:
The Colonel wrote:One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.

That is fanciful speculation.

That boy could have died in Britain waiting on the NHS queue for a life-saving procedure unless, of course, his family had sufficient money to retain those same NHS doctors privately.

And if that boy survived the NHS queue and the procedure was successful, he could have died in a NHS hospital from MRSA.

There are many deaths under your system, so don't throw stones when your house is glass.

And the 7% of Americans without medical insurance who are not covered by Medicaid/Medicare, still have access to medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.


Your statements are not correct.
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Postby myron myron on Tue May 13, 2008 11:19 pm

The Colonel wrote:
myron myron wrote:
The Colonel wrote:One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.

That is fanciful speculation.

That boy could have died in Britain waiting on the NHS queue for a life-saving procedure unless, of course, his family had sufficient money to retain those same NHS doctors privately.

And if that boy survived the NHS queue and the procedure was successful, he could have died in a NHS hospital from MRSA.

There are many deaths under your system, so don't throw stones when your house is glass.

And the 7% of Americans without medical insurance who are not covered by Medicaid/Medicare, still have access to medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.

Your statements are not correct.

Really?

I commend the following news story published just today: Five-day-old baby survives having pacemaker fitted... only to catch MRSA in hospital


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Postby The Colonel on Tue May 13, 2008 11:45 pm

myron myron wrote:
The Colonel wrote:
myron myron wrote:
The Colonel wrote:One death under your system - is one death too many. The fact remains, the boy I cited who died, had he been in Britain - he would have lived.

That is fanciful speculation.

That boy could have died in Britain waiting on the NHS queue for a life-saving procedure unless, of course, his family had sufficient money to retain those same NHS doctors privately.

And if that boy survived the NHS queue and the procedure was successful, he could have died in a NHS hospital from MRSA.

There are many deaths under your system, so don't throw stones when your house is glass.

And the 7% of Americans without medical insurance who are not covered by Medicaid/Medicare, still have access to medical care in publicly-owned hospitals.

Your statements are not correct.

Really?

I commend the following news story published just today: Five-day-old baby survives having pacemaker fitted... only to catch MRSA in hospital



Such bugs occur worldwide. The French have an even bigger problem.

We are refitting all of our hospitals with copper instead of other metals, paints that don't allow anything to grow on them, deep cleaning of wards and alcohol hand gels to prevent transmission.

Unfortunately, some cleaners are not doing their job properly. They should be charged with manslaughter in my opinion. That would put an end to that.
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Postby Cambridge on Wed May 14, 2008 5:50 am

Really, myron, you jump upon this 7% figure as if it is insignificant. Yet you ignore the 60%. That is the figure that you say is covered by private insurance. Yet, this is work-related protection, the very thing that employers say is the first on their agenda to cut. Look at the City of Vallejo, filing for bankruptcy this week. Their sole point is that they can’t afford medical care. United Airlines filed for bankruptcy because it could not handle the retirement burden and the health care burden. Simple lay-offs mean that whole families lose their health-care benefits. This is your 60% that you tell us is vouched safe with private insurance? It’s about as safe as, “it won’t rain tomorrow.”

Yet we continue to spend a $-trillion a year on a Muslim American war that was born in deception, motivated by selfishness, and bears the worst of military planning, all on the word of ego-maniacal idiots whose dicks are larger than their cerebral cortexes. That is money that could wisely be spent fixing the problem with American health care. If we can afford an idiot tirllion dollar war, we sure as hell can afford more than Medicaid and Medicare in the US.

Nah, the Brits are taking us to school.

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Postby The Colonel on Wed May 14, 2008 2:46 pm

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Postby myron myron on Wed May 14, 2008 3:11 pm

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The UK's "future ships" will carry the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, an American airplane, eh?

No, that aircraft is jointly being developed by Britain AND America. Our defence compay is BAE Systems.

BAE Systems also OWNS the company that makes Hummers and Bradleys. (US army equipment!)

:lol:

Hummers are made in the United States by AM General LLC and General Dynamics Land Systems.

Bradleys are made in the United States by FMC Corp.

Lockheed Martin is an American corporation.

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Postby The Colonel on Wed May 14, 2008 5:21 pm

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